Higher purity crystal methamphetine

[SoWhat!]

I've been around for years mate no need to give me the run down on how she "knows her shit" becuase im yet to see it. Very well informed, she is a confessed meth user and can't even get those facts right. Fuck me.

Regardless, this site has turned to absolute shit. Misinformation, restricting discussion via closing threads and most of all, someone having the audacity to tell me that the meth i saw was cut to the shithouse or impure!?!?! Not only that, but im yet to see evidence proving me wrong, at least i have stated facts supporting my statement.

If it was impure it would have marked the pipe, impurities burn at different temps than pure meth. The pipe was clean after a 3 point burn that went around the group. I will explain no more, im happy knowing that ive got access to better meth than 95% of people on here....

 

[spacejunk]

all i'm saying is that if you discuss the topic and stay away from getting personal about shit (how many more times do you want to call her a "meth user"? so what[indeed]?)
the audacity to disagree with you? shit man, if people aren't allowed to disagree with you, why don't you just start a blog or something? i don't care who is right or who is wrong, but if you're going to take it so personally (and say the site has "turned to absolute shit") why contribute?
the "facts" about drugs aren't so clear. there is so much misinformation, hearsay, urban mythology. the amount of bullshit you hear from drug users about their drug of choice is staggering. it is hard to find clear, concise, reliable information about drugs deemed illegal, because they are taboo, they are hard for people to get permission to seriously study, and there are so many stereotypes and misunderstandings floating around.
you had meth that was more pure than you've ever had before? that's great, and interesting. i'm not being sarcastic - let's discuss it. that's what this thread is all about, right?
if someone replies and says "it still doesn't mean it is 100%, and this is why", there is no need to get defensive.
you can disagree all you like, but from my point of view, you're the one who is acting like a meth head.
just ease off on the name-calling, the "i don't even take drugs" superiority trip and the defensive arguments and you might actually get a decent discussion out of this.
claiming that footsy's moderator status is stifling debate and used unfairly is just silly. and saying shit like "How can you possibly say when it comes out as rock it isnt pure? Thats absolute crap." when you've just been told why she is saying that just goes to show that you are the one not listening, as well as being needlessly aggressive.

if you can't handle a little healthy debate, then what's the point?

peace.

 

[SoWhat!]

Firstly, thanks Dr Phil.

Secondly, all facts i posted were from reputable sources.

Thirdly, i corrected myself when i said rock, i meant crystal even though its completely trivial.

Fourthly, i hate meth so nice call on the meth head status. I'm only shooting it back on her because she mentions it in other threads frequently. Don't like the alias, don't call yourself one.

Thanks for mediating, without your intervention i don't know what would have happened....

 

[spacejunk]

mediating? no, i'm just trying to remind you that being a dick is not really a good look.
you should blame the methamphetamine, i hear that stuff is really bad for your reputation.
who's dr phil?

 

[Divine Moments]

Calm down everyone, be civil

Discussion and polite arguments are welcome but no need for insults.

SoWhat! if you have a problem with the site then how about you be constructive about it instead of just bringing it up tangentially in an argument. I would be interested to know about the misinformation you say is being spread, and if you can provide examples of harm reduction threads that have been closed inappropriately then please tell us. You're always welcome to PM a mod who has closed a thread if you disagree - but perhaps then you wouldn't have something to bitch about?

If you have legitimate points to make then PM any or all of the mods, or start a thread to discuss it.

 

[Jakeperson]

Firstly, thanks Dr Phil.

Secondly, all facts i posted were from reputable sources.

Thirdly, i corrected myself when i said rock, i meant crystal even though its completely trivial.

Fourthly, i hate meth so nice call on the meth head status. I'm only shooting it back on her because she mentions it in other threads frequently. Don't like the alias, don't call yourself one.

Thanks for mediating, without your intervention i don't know what would have happened....

Please show us your sources. I don't care how long you've been around meth. I know users with 20+ years on their backs that still think LSD puts holes in your brain.

P.S Being aggressive makes you look like you are using too much meth or losing the argument

 

[TripppAR]

Yeh dude - EGO OUT = WISDOM IN


Fuckin' check yo'self before you wreck yo'self fool !

 

[footscrazy]

I don't take being an (ex) meth user as an insult, that's just a fact, so I'm not sure how that's at all relevent to the discussion.

Regardless, this site has turned to absolute shit. Misinformation, restricting discussion via closing threads and most of all, someone having the audacity to tell me that the meth i saw was cut to the shithouse or impure!?!?! Not only that, but im yet to see evidence proving me wrong, at least i have stated facts supporting my statement.

I didn't say it was 'cut to shithouse', in fact I never even said it was impure, I doubt it, for sure, but way back at the start I said if it is a rock, not a crystal, it is impure. We've agreed we weren't on the same page with rock/crystal terminology. From the start what I was doing is doubting its impurity, and your 'sources' and 'facts' don't prove anything in that regard - talking about your acetone wash, how long it lasted, etc. doesn't prove that was pure. Either does this:

If it was impure it would have marked the pipe, impurities burn at different temps than pure meth. The pipe was clean after a 3 point burn that went around the group.

Plenty of high quality meth even down to 60-70% can vape without marking the pipe.

You quote rhodium here;

There are a number of good threads on dual solvent recrystaliziation. The basic principle is to dissolve the methamphetamine HCl in boiling alcohol, filter through a fine filter to remove trash, reduce to saturation, and combine with another solvent such as dry acetone. Let the temperature fall slowly and give it some time and if recrystalized properly meth rocks will form rather than small crystals. You will find these to be much cleaner than the meth you started with.

And in fact I said exactly the same thing much earlier;

I'm going to be one of those sceptics, because meth doesn't crystallise into solid rocks. It crystallises, and you can grow shards pretty big if you're careful with conditions

I was clear with my terminology, so if you'd understood what I was saying there, why not just take what I said 'It crystallises, and you can grow shards pretty big if you're careful with conditions' and say, yeah, that's what happened? The reason I doubt you know its purity, is when you talk about the acetone was you say 'I think it lost about 30mg from a gram' and 'why do an A/B extraction if it's higher than 95%?' Both those statements show that 1. You didn't do the acetone wash and recrystallisation yourself, so some of your facts are based on hearsay; and 2. that you're equating high purity and purity being the same thing.

For someone who hardly uses meth you seem pretty concerned about defending your stash

 

[Jakeperson]

Also as footsy said earlier, acetone washes are pretty much useless due to the new cuts. Highly likely why the acetone wash did next to nothing. I doubt there is very little "ice" without these cuts in them now.

 

[footscrazy]

I'll admit that I was prob needlessly argumentative while proving my point, I still stand by everything I said, but I guess I'm arguing a point of difference that doesn't make much practical difference. I just don't think people should claim shit as pure without confirmation, or especially use personal experience of effects to try and support that hypothesis.

 

[Hajime]

LOL Hajime dude, you clearly got no clue when it comes to meth manufacture, I am guessing you haven't spent any time lurking boards more appropriate for this type of discussion. Wasn't Uncle Fester a proponent of the supposed 'one pot' synthesis? which is widely regarded as an inferior and dangerous synthesis. Uncle Fester does know his shit (to a point atleast), but without me having a good enough memory to cite specific examples, there has been more than one occassion that his science was bad. Its really up to you whether you believe this or not, I can't really be fucked trolling the net for examples, but if you take his word as gospel you are not greatly informed on meth manufacture imho.

I don't quite get this? Are you saying you have encountered freebase methamphetamine? I have to say I have trouble believing that someone who has never even encountered meth Hcl that was good enough to smoke has had oppurtunity to observe freebase meth, a product rarely (if ever) seen outside of a meth lab.

Seriously dude, take a few minutes to THINK before you post again and I think some of this might make sense to you. There is nothing wrong with being incorrect, we are all here to learn, but you gotta be able to accept when you are wrong.

Find me data on the melting point of freebase methamphetamine and I will show u an apology

just because freebase methamphetamine to crystal ma becomes an amalgamation doesnt mean it loses it melting point... the hcl-crystal might have a melting point of 170c but the ma mols are a different story

 

[footscrazy]

^ I don't understand what you mean. Meth freebase is a liquid at room temperature, so it's already 'melted' at room temp. Do you mean the vape point?

just because freebase methamphetamine becomes an amalgamation doesnt mean it loses it melting point... the crystal might have a melting point of 170c but the ma mols mixed with crystal is a different story

If I'm understanding what you mean here correctly, I think you're incorrect. Changing the meth into it's salt (or combining it with other things like cuts etc) can change the compound's properties, including freezing/melting/boiling point. As an example think of antifreezes - chemical compounds added to water to change the resulting mixture's freezing point. The water molcules in the antifreeze/water mixture are no longer freezing at 0 degrees. In the same vein, methamphetamine in a compound will not necessarily retain the same melting/freezing/boiling points as freebase methamphetamine.

Anyway, freebase methamphetamine has a higher boiling point than meth hcl.

I found some interesting sources, these are generally forum posts so take what you will from them.

First of all, weather something can be smoked depends on its melting point, and then its boiling point. Some things have a boiling point too close to the point they burn as a salt (Decomposition point), hence the freebase of those molecules will vaporize before burning. Cocaine is a good example.

Meth is another example in the opposit direction, meth HCl can be smoked because the hcl salt vaporizes at a reasonable temp (it also dissociates into freebase meth and HCl midair).

Meth oil boils at right around 190c @atm the hcl dissociates at this point into the freebase so that probably is why it can be smoked.

Source.

Methamphetamine HCl is smokeable, because it sublimes into the freebase and HCl under application of heat. Methamphetamine is also easily re-crystallized to form "crystal meth".

Don't forget that the boiling point for "Meth" Amphetamine freebase is about 203°,

Source.

Boiling Point of Methamphetamine Free Base-212C

Source.

 

[SoWhat!]

I don't take being an (ex) meth user as an insult, that's just a fact, so I'm not sure how that's at all relevent to the discussion.



I didn't say it was 'cut to shithouse', in fact I never even said it was impure, I doubt it, for sure, but way back at the start I said if it is a rock, not a crystal, it is impure. We've agreed we weren't on the same page with rock/crystal terminology. From the start what I was doing is doubting its impurity, and your 'sources' and 'facts' don't prove anything in that regard - talking about your acetone wash, how long it lasted, etc. doesn't prove that was pure. Either does this:



Plenty of high quality meth even down to 60-70% can vape without marking the pipe.

You quote rhodium here;



And in fact I said exactly the same thing much earlier;



I was clear with my terminology, so if you'd understood what I was saying there, why not just take what I said 'It crystallises, and you can grow shards pretty big if you're careful with conditions' and say, yeah, that's what happened? The reason I doubt you know its purity, is when you talk about the acetone was you say 'I think it lost about 30mg from a gram' and 'why do an A/B extraction if it's higher than 95%?' Both those statements show that 1. You didn't do the acetone wash and recrystallisation yourself, so some of your facts are based on hearsay; and 2. that you're equating high purity and purity being the same thing.

For someone who hardly uses meth you seem pretty concerned about defending your stash

So i need to do meth to know how to synth it? You ever been to a lab? Didn't think so. I find it ironic that someone who uses meth regularly continually skews my words and can't read the facts quoted froma very reputable source.

Of course i didn't do the wash/recrystallisation, i never said i did. I'm not a Chemist, i study Organic Chem but im not interested in making it, more interested in telling you that you're wrong.

Furthermore the acetone wash on the gram was for curiosity only, we wanted to see how pure we could get it, which turned out to be 97%.

And don't say you repeated the ref from Rhodium it clearly says it comes out as rocks, you said it can be formed into rocks after crystallisation. How is that the same?

 

[SoWhat!]

Please show us your sources. I don't care how long you've been around meth. I know users with 20+ years on their backs that still think LSD puts holes in your brain.

P.S Being aggressive makes you look like you are using too much meth or losing the argument

Since when did i make a claim i've been around meth for a long period of time? The users you know sound like braindead idiots, thanks for telling me about them though, thing is i couldn't give a shit about your fried mates.

Source: Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture 7th Edition by Uncle Fester.

Oh and i guess a source is witnessing the manufacture, probably the most credible.


Someone who knows nothing about chemistry when i witnessed these being synthed causes aggression, for the 10th time i very rarely use meth.

 

[SoWhat!]

^ I don't understand what you mean. Meth freebase is a liquid at room temperature, so it's already 'melted' at room temp. Do you mean the vape point?



If I'm understanding what you mean here correctly, I think you're incorrect. Changing the meth into it's salt (or combining it with other things like cuts etc) can change the compound's properties, including freezing/melting/boiling point. As an example think of antifreezes - chemical compounds added to water to change the resulting mixture's freezing point. The water molcules in the antifreeze/water mixture are no longer freezing at 0 degrees. In the same vein, methamphetamine in a compound will not necessarily retain the same melting/freezing/boiling points as freebase methamphetamine.

Anyway, freebase methamphetamine has a higher boiling point than meth hcl.

I found some interesting sources, these are generally forum posts so take what you will from them.



Source.





Source.



Source.

LOL, you call them sources? Couldn't look less credible.

Another picture as im sick of explaining my point, these were synthed and came out as Meth ROCKS, just like the synth i witnessed.

What source is next, dea.gov?

 

[Rolling Sly]

^ I was wondering where the quartz stones missing from my driveway went..

 

[footscrazy]

So i need to do meth to know how to synth it? You ever been to a lab? Didn't think so. I find it ironic that someone who uses meth regularly continually skews my words and can't read the facts quoted froma very reputable source.

Of course i didn't do the wash/recrystallisation, i never said i did. I'm not a Chemist, i study Organic Chem but im not interested in making it, more interested in telling you that you're wrong.

Furthermore the acetone wash on the gram was for curiosity only, we wanted to see how pure we could get it, which turned out to be 97%.

And don't say you repeated the ref from Rhodium it clearly says it comes out as rocks, you said it can be formed into rocks after crystallisation. How is that the same?

I don't see how this has any relevence to what I said.

Don't make assumptions on what I have or haven't done, because you make yourself sound foolish.

How, exactly, are you saying I'm wrong? I said your stuff wasn't pure, how has anything you've said countered that?

And don't say you repeated the ref from Rhodium it clearly says it comes out as rocks, you said it can be formed into rocks after crystallisation. How is that the same?

The difference is in terminology, you're saying rock, I'm saying crystal, we're talking about the same thing. I thought we'd cleared that up.

LOL, you call them sources? Couldn't look less credible.

Another picture as im sick of explaining my point, these were synthed and came out as Meth ROCKS, just like the synth i witnessed.

Haha, so you missed that part I said they were only forum sources? I never claimed they were credible, I said they were interesting posts I'd found.

Funny that someone who is so concered about credible sources would post a photo of meth rocks that 'looked like yours'.

 

[Jakeperson]

Since when did i make a claim i've been around meth for a long period of time? The users you know sound like braindead idiots, thanks for telling me about them though, thing is i couldn't give a shit about your fried mates.

Source: Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture 7th Edition by Uncle Fester.

Oh and i guess a source is witnessing the manufacture, probably the most credible.


Someone who knows nothing about chemistry when i witnessed these being synthed causes aggression, for the 10th time i very rarely use meth.

Who ever said mates? I generally reserve that for my friends.

I've been around for years mate

I thought since you said that plus were talking about meth etc that, that would count as a long time?

 

[Mr Blonde]

SoWhat, for someone who supposedly studies organic chemistry and is being very pedantic here, you don't care much for your own use of terminology do you? This argument seems to have all started with you saying rocks and footscrazy saying crystals and it not being known that you were both talking about the same thing. I would have thought crystals was the better terminology, and I don't think you know as much about this as you think you do. Having read Uncle Fester's book and being present for a synthesis (and we have no objective idea on the quality of the work done on this synth) is not really a lot of experience and exposure to the methamphetamine scene, and I think the way you keep arguing over something that has become a moot point (rocks or crystals) shows this.

 

[Rolling Sly]

Cos saying "Bangin' 7 gram crystals" just doesnt have the same jingle as "Bangin' 7 gram rocks", obviously