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^ Most definitely normal. As I said, mine still is somewhat - I mean, I'm no longer completely full of happiness all the time, but I generally appreciate life and the things around me so much more, even a year and a half later :)

Speaking of which, I'm feeling absolutely great today :D
 
i find my mood to be generally lifted after any important psychdelic experience :) enjoy.. must say im a bit jealous of your state right now....

i think this place (PD) needs a big and dandy vent if you lost (part of) your stash thread. at least i do. damn, its the second time this year i loose this much without any idea where to look for it. and both times it was quite the expensive loss. its not like i lost it while tripping jsut my mind forgot where to look for it. any hypnotists in the house?
 
ah kk, just curious. i edited that and put in a quote i found ^
im going to read your reply to my pm in a wee while, just got a fair amount of shit i need to get through first. been in go mode since i got online.

where abouts in poland you at?


and kingme, what is it you've lost and where were you when you last had it/seen it?
 
Alright man :)

I'm from the south, the Małopolska region to be precise, quite near to Krakow. Moved here back in March 2010. It's a nice place, mountains and forests everywhere, great people too. Shame about my anxiety or I'd be absolutely loving it here.
 
well its some vials containing some substances (grams of the stuff really), and i had it stashed someplace around the house as i was away from home for a couple of weeks. but, 2 months later, ive no idea where i hid them. the fact that they smell really distinctly and powerful, and now i cant find/locate them by smell alone is a bit worrying...
ah well, guess ill just have to figure a better way to stash stuff in the future... always a hassle
 
It's a long shot but were you high when you hid them? If so, get high before looking. I've hidden things high before and been unable to find them until I next got high. Strange stuff 8(
 
nope, i was however in a state of panic (lets just say paranoia wouldnt quite express it)...

its amazing how bad the acting can get in hollywood blockbusters some times. seriously, dont the actors just feel ashamed when saying corny lines? i know they spend millions on effects, but that doesnt mean they shouldnt just spend an extra week rewriting all the crap thats spilt over some lines...

was trying to get energized for the coming nightmare week by seeing some movies but ill just have to fall back on some of my ol music...
its times like these i wish i were a toker :P
 
Haha cool, I went to Krakow for vacation 2 times with 4 insane friends and absolutely drank my nuts off. I've never been that drunk in my life. Finlandia FTW.
 
its amazing how bad the acting can get in hollywood blockbusters some times. seriously, dont the actors just feel ashamed when saying corny lines? i know they spend millions on effects, but that doesnt mean they shouldnt just spend an extra week rewriting all the crap thats spilt over some lines...

That reminds me of an interesting "revelation" I had on LSD last Monday, which I was going to post here, but forgot.

And that is, the entire concept of a movie with "actors", as a form of art, is a failure (with some exceptions which I will note).

You see, people recognize the beauty in human beings, their personalities, situations, and endeavors. Then, they decide that if they film actors pretending to be who they are not, and pretending to have beliefs and aspirations and friends and tastes in clothing that they don't really have, those actors will become much more interesting, exciting, and beautiful, because if we just filmed them being themselves and responding to situations in a genuine way, they would be much too dull.

I realized that this is simply not true. It's a ridiculous failure to see the beauty in real people, rather than the shallow and stunted "personalities" that we try to deliberately create for films. Seeing an interview of a genuinely intelligent and accomplished or otherwise interesting individual, speaking honestly of their views or achievements, is always a supreme delight for me, whereas almost all movies with actors bore me to no mercy. And this is actually a conclusion that logically follows a belief about artistry that I've held for quite some time now: that truly beautiful artwork, whether music, poetry, literature, painting, or dancing, must come from the artist in a completely natural fashion. That is to say, the artist must not be consciously attempting to create something beautiful, or to put on a show: he or she must simply be creating the artwork for the joy of the creative process itself, and the fact that it happens to please an audience is just incidental to this personal pleasure.

I have seen movies which I have enjoyed, I must admit, but I suspect that the so-called "actors" in this movie that I appreciated weren't really acting. I believe that they were employing the wisdom of natural and unintended beauty, and so they actually became the roles that they played for the duration that they were filmed, by skillfully manipulating their own fundamental psychology, and so their behavior in front of the camera was more or less genuine.
 
Haha cool, I went to Krakow for vacation 2 times with 4 insane friends and absolutely drank my nuts off. I've never been that drunk in my life. Finlandia FTW.

Haha yep, the Polish are pretty big drinkers. I barely drank at all before moving here, now I average getting drunk at least once or twice a week. Not something I'm particularly proud of though as I've seen alcohol do a lot of damage, particularly as I nearly always drink alone, tut tut!

Krakow is a really nice city. If I end up staying in Poland for much longer I'll most likely be moving there.

I have seen movies which I have enjoyed, I must admit, but I suspect that the so-called "actors" in this movie that I appreciated weren't really acting. I believe that they were employing the wisdom of natural and unintended beauty, and so they actually became the roles that they played for the duration that they were filmed, by skillfully manipulating their own fundamental psychology, and so their behavior in front of the camera was more or less genuine.

You pretty much summed up what makes me enjoy various films over others. Almost all my favourite films the actors are really into it, the storyline fits perfectly with their personality, or they've even been in similar situations themselves. I mean I always thought Fear & Loathing was great, and that was largely down to Depp's acting, which was most definitely highly influenced by all the time he spent with HST. If someone who hadn't had those experiences had been given the role I think the film would never have gotten its reputation as a classic.
 
ah fair play, but i take it you mean like a meditation regimen or routine?
i would like to but i dont know where to start. Pranayama techniques interest me, and i have very good lung power. i can inhale and exhale for long periods.

intense is a grand understatement. i truly am uncertain if i will ever use a psychedelic drug ever again.
just... wow. i have a feeling my consumption of drugs (cannabis and psychedelics) will go down quite a bit after this.


where abouts are you from Mitchi? (when you're back online of course)
peace out ;)

Yeah, that's it, a routine. It doesn't matter what you do, as long as it works for you. I haven't been to serious about it (laziness), but i think it really helps me to tune in to what I have learned/the insight I have gained.

And I'm from Denmark (Copenhagen)

And yeah, after a strong (positive) experience, the afterglow can be very pronounced.
Feels great
 
You're like one of those dudes that that became a republican I. The 70's because it was going against the grain of the whole 60's hippie movement.

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Just been reading this:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_det/4_acetoxy_det_article1.shtml

Going by that, it's likely my brown slightly-degraded (but equally potent, if not more so) 4-AcO-DMT likely contains 4-HO-DMT now? I'm curious because the potency seemed unchanged or even boosted, but the effects seemed different in several ways, so I found that article, and it suggests that maybe I'm now eating Psilocin in combination with my Psilacetin.

Edit: For lazy people:
I was able to find a sympathetic chemist with GCMS testing capability who offered to do a test on some of the decomposed goo, and a volunteer who had some of the black goo which he offered to donate as a sample for testing. After making the proper go-together motions and waving my magic wand, I was able to obtain the GCMS analysis results presented here.

The cover letter (see link below) explains the findings in more technical terms, but the short version is that the majority of the goo seems to consist of the free phenol (ethocin, AKA 4-HO-DET or CZ-74; "A" in the graphs below). In addition to ethocin, there is also some remaining ethacetin ("B"), as well as two analogous substances where the amino (NH) group on the secondary tryptamine ring has been replaced with a different group. These two substances ("C" and "D" in the graphs) have no names yet and are of unknown activity. It also is unknown whether these are breakdown products and/or impurities from the original synthesis. Several unidentified peaks were found which may or may not have much significance.

^ That's with 4-AcO-DET, which broke down into mostly 4-HO-DET when improperly stored.
 
Makes sense, 4-AcO-DMT should go to 4-HO-DMT + CH3COOH in the presence of atmospheric moisture (ester hydrolysis). Water vapor in the air is usually slightly acidic because it reacts with CO2 to form carbonic acid, and all you need is acidic water (and plenty of time) to take that ester off.
 
That reminds me of an interesting "revelation" I had on LSD last Monday, which I was going to post here, but forgot.

And that is, the entire concept of a movie with "actors", as a form of art, is a failure (with some exceptions which I will note).

You see, people recognize the beauty in human beings, their personalities, situations, and endeavors. Then, they decide that if they film actors pretending to be who they are not, and pretending to have beliefs and aspirations and friends and tastes in clothing that they don't really have, those actors will become much more interesting, exciting, and beautiful, because if we just filmed them being themselves and responding to situations in a genuine way, they would be much too dull.

I realized that this is simply not true. It's a ridiculous failure to see the beauty in real people, rather than the shallow and stunted "personalities" that we try to deliberately create for films. Seeing an interview of a genuinely intelligent and accomplished or otherwise interesting individual, speaking honestly of their views or achievements, is always a supreme delight for me, whereas almost all movies with actors bore me to no mercy. And this is actually a conclusion that logically follows a belief about artistry that I've held for quite some time now: that truly beautiful artwork, whether music, poetry, literature, painting, or dancing, must come from the artist in a completely natural fashion. That is to say, the artist must not be consciously attempting to create something beautiful, or to put on a show: he or she must simply be creating the artwork for the joy of the creative process itself, and the fact that it happens to please an audience is just incidental to this personal pleasure.

I have seen movies which I have enjoyed, I must admit, but I suspect that the so-called "actors" in this movie that I appreciated weren't really acting. I believe that they were employing the wisdom of natural and unintended beauty, and so they actually became the roles that they played for the duration that they were filmed, by skillfully manipulating their own fundamental psychology, and so their behavior in front of the camera was more or less genuine.


Haha, what a pretentious artiste thing to say. Nothing wrong with that though, I've always thought a little pretension is a good thing.

If you will allow me to disagree with your statement, I think with good films (read: not revenue driven formulaic crap), that honest artistry IS there, it's just that's it's coming from the screen writers and the director. The actors aren't always the creative movers of the medium, they're often more akin to the paints or instruments with which the actual creative forces bring their vision to life.
 
Makes sense, 4-AcO-DMT should go to 4-HO-DMT + CH3COOH in the presence of atmospheric moisture (ester hydrolysis). Water vapor in the air is usually slightly acidic because it reacts with CO2 to form carbonic acid, and all you need is acidic water (and plenty of time) to take that ester off.

Thanks. I did suspect it was 4-HO-DMT, since I'd read that this was likely before, and since the come up time was a lot quicker, duration was shorter too, the visuals and trip were quite different - but still very similar to 4-AcO-DMT.

I definitely think that 4-AcO-DMT must cross the blood brain barrier and be active in it's own right then, as I previously speculated that it'd completely convert to 4-HO-DMT in the body and be identical to mushrooms, minus 4-PO-NMT etc - this was with no experience of 4-HO-DMT.

Having tasted my "degraded" product I can definitely say it feels quite a bit different to 4-AcO-DMT, very similar, but still a different trip. If it is 4-HO-DMT as presumed then 4-AcO-DMT's activity can't just be explained by conversion to 4-HO-DMT as I presumed.

Maybe I should take the least degraded 4-AcO-DMT and store it somewhere better, then allow the rest to degrade further, split my stash 50/50 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT? ;)
 
I definitely think that 4-AcO-DMT must cross the blood brain barrier and be active in it's own right then

I dunno, that acetyl should get taken off at an extremely fast rate -- much too fast for the 4-AcO to have any significant amount of time to interact with any receptors -- that's not to say that the subjective effects won't be different from 4-HO, because the 4-AcO can cross the BBB faster than the 4-HO which causes a higher peak plasma concentration. But there's no way that acetyl will stay on there for long, it starts to get taken off instantly when the compound enters the blood, and a portion of the dose will have already been deacetylated by the time the dose gets to the brain, and basically the instant the dose hits the high concentration of deacetylases in the brain it will all be converted to the phenol.
 
Hmm. Good point.

I'm starting to wonder if actually my 4-AcO-DMT degraded back when I started having difficult trips with it. I noticed it got a lot more manic, stimulating, and much less forgiving. I attributed it all to my headspace at the time but now that I think back I'm not so sure. It's just I remember my first 5 or 6 experiences with it being utterly calm and serene, it was very dreamy, relaxing, nice tactile sensations and body high - no discomfort either physical or mental. After that it was stimulating, thoughts rushing through my head like no tomorrow, lots of anxiety, bodyload.

Edit: Another noobish question for you. If my 4-AcO-DMT was fumarate, will the degraded material - in this case what we suspect to be 4-HO-DMT, also be fumarate? AKA do I have to worry about it being freebase and degrading completely super fast? I'd assume it'd be fumarate, but given I've neglected any/all my chemistry knowledge in the last few years I thought I'd ask rather than making assumptions.
 
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Wait, so Jesus, how long did you have the 4-AcO-DMT before you started to notice it degrading? Because I'm ordering 1g of the stuff soon.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about degradation. Just keep it in a nice cool place like the fridge or freezer in the dark in a dry airtight container and it will keep for probably as long as you need it to. I've had a bit of the material for about... 2 years now that hasn't degraded noticeably at all (not even a slight color change) and I am sure there are plenty of people that have had samples for longer without degradation. It's all about proper storage.
 
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