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Benzos coming off benzos

Nimshie29

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Hi Guys,
After being on clonazepam for 10 years I have tapered off over 4 months and I am down to 3/4 of 5mg diazepam. One week after dropping to this dose I am experiencing worse involuntary muscle spasms than at any other time. Is this normal? I would have thought that being at such a low dose that a small reduction in dose at this stage would have no noticeable effect? I am also on Fentanyl patch for pain and this can cause myoclonus spasm but my dose of this has not changed?
I am jerking so much that it is very hard to sleep despite taking Lyrica and Restavit.
Thanks,
Nimshie298(
 
Benzo w/d...is very unpredictable. It comes in waves and new symptoms can hit at completely random times. There's nothing "normal" about it at all, but yes, one of the symptoms (out of about 400,000 possible--basically, if something with your body hurts and/or is weird, it's due to w/d) is muscle cramps/spasms. You can try holding at that dose, but I don't think it will help, you're only taking 3.75 mg of Valium, which is basically a dose people jump off at (but you can definitely keep tapering if you want).
 
After being on 8mg of xanax per day (2mg 4 times a day) I went inpatient in a hospital to detox but I was having severe seizures and was moved to another hospital, I have not been able to get off klonopin since, I've been on it for 10 years, used to be 2mg 3 times per day, now I take 2mg 2 times a day. It does nothing for me but prevent withdrawal.
 
Just so you know, there are only two drug withdrawls that can actually KILL you- alcohol withdrawl and benzo withdrawl. The best thing to do to taper off that last bit would be to go to a hospital. I've done it both ways and highly reccomend going to the hospital.. seizures suck
 
Just so you know, there are only two drug withdrawls that can actually KILL you- alcohol withdrawl and benzo withdrawl. The best thing to do to taper off that last bit would be to go to a hospital. I've done it both ways and highly reccomend going to the hospital.. seizures suck

They may be old and less common today, but let us not forget the third potentially fatal withdrawal type: barbiturates.
 
So I'm not trying to be rude, insulting or anything for that matter here (I'm just honestly curious), how and why does one become addicted to benzos? I mean, what do you enjoy about the high? I've taken quite a bit of a lot of different benzos in my life, but they never made me feel 'good' or anything else but sleepy, so I've never understood the abuse potential (I only ever took them to fall asleep, usually after taking too many uppers).
 
So I'm not trying to be rude, insulting or anything for that matter here (I'm just honestly curious), how and why does one become addicted to benzos? I mean, what do you enjoy about the high? I've taken quite a bit of a lot of different benzos in my life, but they never made me feel 'good' or anything else but sleepy, so I've never understood the abuse potential (I only ever took them to fall asleep, usually after taking too many uppers).

For those of us who experience anxiety, its intended effect is nice when needed. I use a lot of benzos, but pretty much just for falling asleep and staying asleep... I'm not someone who likes to be on them all day long unless I'm really dealing with something difficult that I don't have to be 100% alert for (and which may not require my direct involvement at all). There are a lot of people who do, though. What I find harder to understand is people who desire to drink alcohol all day, long enough to develop physical alcohol dependence... Just goes to show you we're all into different effects from drugs.
 
The only benzo that works for me that is legal in the US is triazolam (halcion was the brand name) And for it to work I have to take 3mg (which is 12 0.25mg pills, they don't make the 0.5mg tablets anymore. I get 60 0.25 tablets every month but it's only enough for 5 nights out of the month. Xanax doesn't seem to work anymore, tried 10mg and it did nothing. My benzos got lost in a hospital and I started going through really bad withdrawal shaking uncontrollably so I went to the ER and they gave me a triple dose of IV Valium. Felt soooo much better after that.

Edit: The only other benzo strong enough is Rohypnol which is illegal now in the US, aka roofies or the date rape drug. They changed the color of rohypnol to green so if someone tries to dose a ladies drink it will turn green instead of just dissolving inconspicuously like the white ones.

I wish I could get a prescription for secobarbital but my primary doc wont prescribe it and my shrink surely wont lol. I might ask my pain mgmt doctor next time I see him. I have so many different doctors it's ridiculous haha
 
So I'm not trying to be rude, insulting or anything for that matter here (I'm just honestly curious), how and why does one become addicted to benzos?
I ask myself this every single day. I don't even like benzos. I just took them to try to get a little kick out of my Suboxone, since I couldn't get a buzz off it anymore. Worst choice I've ever made.
 
To elaborate on my previous reply to "how and why do people become addicted on benzos?", most people get addicted to benzos because they're prescribed them thrice daily by their doctor and usually actually need them to function to their potential. Yes, some people need benzos for more than a single dose at night to aid sleep. When you take a prescription drug you're actually entitled to and for good medical reason, not something you score illegally even if it's to self-medicate a lesser or equally serious anxiety disorder, there's much less thought in the process as you're merely taking your medicine along with your multivitamin, anti-depressant, and acid-reflux medication. Because it isn't an 'elective' or illicit habit, most people don't think "damn, I've been taking this drug for 6 months now, I'm going to be dependent soon if I'm not already" as someone who buys their benzos illicitly would tend to be more aware of. Unlike more traditionally recreational opioids which lead to more immediate tolerance and physical dependence, cost more, and appeal to more people, an even larger majority of benzo users become dependent on benzos through legitimate long-term use for serious anxiety or depressive conditions.

Those who don't pick up their dependence through prescribed use often rely on benzos to kick another addiction, such as opioids, and choose not to get off them following the end of initial withdrawal--when you're used to being content and relaxed most of the time, if you didn't appreciate the benzo high at first, you just might when you're bored, sober and unmotivated as you're experiencing post-accute withdrawal symptoms. It's a cheaper habit, but once you're ready to stop, it's an exponentially more difficult habit to kick.

Rarest of benzo users who attain serious physical dependency are people who just happen to really like the effects of benzos, like I mentioned in my first reply. Not everyone notices serious effects below sedating/severely memory-impairing doses, and I've known two people, granted both were diagnosed bipolar and on mood stabilization medications (unique chemistry), who never even felt the effects of moderate doses until one ate 16 mg lorazepam and the other around 20 mg alprazolam with half a fifth of vodka (which would kill someone with typical personal chemistry). People with ADHD can also be less aware of the effects of typical doses, I've found. On a personal level, I can understand someone who wants to take alprazolam all day everyday recreationally for 6+ months more than I can understand someone who wants to drink alcohol all day to the point of physical dependency (I'd personally die from the strain of repeat projectile vomiting on my second day of drinking :)), even if from my perspective both instances of physical addiction would be awe-inspiring feats I could personally never attain with my state of mind. On the other hand, like a lot of OD posters at one point or another, I can find myself becoming physically dependent on opioids after just a week-long binge--it's simply a more accessible, widely appealing class of drugs that require a lot less use for physical addiction.

The vast majority of recreational users are just people who take benzos casually for relaxing after a long workweek, to allay stimulant/psychedelic comedowns, along with a few beers for the alcohol potentiation effects, etc., and they never work up a physical dependence. The most common benzo addicts (the kind who are least likely to post on a forum like this) are people just taking what they're prescribed for legitimate purposes, and over a long enough period, their body is addicted before they can think twice about it.
 
Also most people don't even REALIZE they are getting addicted to benzos, and that the second they can't get them anymore or they run out or whatever they will be having the worst panic attack of their life. Benzos are SO over prescribed in the us.
 
coming off benzos thanks

Hi Guys,
Thanks guys for your interest and sharing. I'll hang in there and expect it will get better for a while soon. Then I'll be sure its the benzo's and not myoclonus.
Cheers,
Nimshie29
 
Hey, does anyone know how long it takes for you to get physically addicted to xanax (benzos)? i've heard everything from a week to two months. I take xanax regularly but i take breaks in my use because I am terrified of getting addicted to it.. ive seen what the withdrawls are like.. so if anyone knows the answer i'd love to know.
 
^2-3 weeks every day use. this will vary quite a bit tho

I am happy to report i have beaten my benzo addiction (no more supplier). I'm done w/d and things feel perfectly normal, if not better than before or while on benzos.
 
Hey, does anyone know how long it takes for you to get physically addicted to xanax (benzos)? i've heard everything from a week to two months. I take xanax regularly but i take breaks in my use because I am terrified of getting addicted to it.. ive seen what the withdrawls are like.. so if anyone knows the answer i'd love to know.

Depends on your individual metabolism and the type of benzo you're using. I got addicted to Xanax in 1 week. This is uncommon, but not unheard of. Wikipedia says during a study where alprazolam was used for 8 weeks, I believe 95% of people got addicted. Whereas Librium, with its longer-half life, only about 30% were addicted after 8 weeks. I wouldn't mess around with the shorter acting benzos. I would use Klonopin or Valium if you're going to take it regularly, as these are more self-tapering.

The worst part about the withdrawal is that it can last a looooooooooooooooong time. After months and months of dealing with it, it really starts to wear you down.
 
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Coming off benzos after 10 years on them has the potential to be incredibly difficult. I am not telling you this to try to scare you, but to make you understand it is very normal for you to be struggling right now. I don't know what your lfie situation is like, but you might need to take time off from work or get on disability when you get fully off until you start feeling well again. Benzo withdrawal has the capacity to render you disabled, it can be so severe and long lasting. However, it is worth it in the end. I came off xanax more than two years ago and while it was absolute hell on earth for the first year and a half, I've finally started feeling a lot better recently (still nowhere near 100% though) but I am so glad I decided to come off.
 
I will tell you why I got addicted also. It was because I was an alcoholic. Alcohol would give me anxiety and then I would take a benzo the day after drinking and the anxiety would melt away being replaced by peace and relaxation and relief from some of the other hangover symptoms as well. It was great, in fact I think I enjoyed the benzos almost as much as the alcohol.

I can totally see why people dont like them, or dont find them addictive though. They aren't very euphoric. It's when you have a problem such as anxiety or insomnia (or both) that benzos become so enjoyable. Imagine lying awake, restless, anxious, tossing and turning, aches and pains, etc. You take a couple valium and all of a sudden, you feel this peace and relaxation come over you and you drift off into a deep sleep. That is very addictive. WHen you're healthy and happy on your own, thats hwen benzos arent fun. They just dull your mind and make you enjoy life LESS, unlike other recreational drugs which can be fun even if youre already feeling good. But benzos are only good for when youre feeling bad. No drug has ever taken away my anxiety as well as a benzo, not even opiates or alcohol.
 
Be extremely careful when detoxing from benzos. It's already been stated, but you can die from the withdrawal effects. Seizures and spasms are common during improper taipering. If you're having painful muscle spasms, contact your doctor or local ER immediately.
 
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