Salvia?

[Thorns Have Roses]

any comments on how MXE is different from DXM? maybe i'll be able to try it.

Well, I haven't tried MXE yet (I'm kind of frightened to, since I find even the less popular dissociatives like DXM abusable), but judging by the general reaction, and the sheer size of the threads devoted to it, it's among the friendliest of the dissociatives, on par with ketamine (but in different ways). DXM on the other hand...well I believe it's been said that only 1 out of 4 people who try it bother to try it again, and even then, the number of people who consider it worthwhile when alternative dissociatives are available is probably a pretty darned small number of us. If you have MXE, after the obligatory allergy test, start small, a lot of people seem to love it in the range of 30-60mg (not sure of intensity at that dosage with this one, may be smarter to start smaller and take bumps to get up from there), and in general appreciate the lower dose experience more than the hole-ish one (but that's true with dissociatives in general as far as the general population is concerned).

I think you may be able to enjoy it, but that bad place, well that sounds like higher dose experiences are not for you, since that's kinda the state a lot of us seek out on dissociatives (I think that kind of experience is the most "safe" I've ever felt, but different strokes for different folks, eh?). Do some research as to the dose response-curve of MXE since I'm not really sure about it, and stick to the lower end of the spectrum. Good luck

And salvia folk, back to your talk. Well to comment on the drug, I never had a breakthrough experience, but what I did experience was rather odd, and not particularly enjoyable. I've met a number of people who liked it though, and gladly took what I had off my hands for me. I must admit I'm curious about the breakthrough experience though (and how salvia at all would combine with certain other drugs, something I never got around to trying).

 

[blackskirt]

before i knew it, my vision "redded out", and i was staring at nearly incomprehensible trailing after-images of the room i was in as my eyes were drifting about. i was pretty terrified until i eventually remembered that i'd smoked salvia

 

[swilow]

Well, I haven't tried MXE yet (I'm kind of frightened to, since I find even the less popular dissociatives like DXM abusable)

Ooh year, you will fucking love MXE I think. I definitely prefer ketamine, but I've actually found (low dose) MXE to have more similarity to lower dose DXM. Both are sort of euphoria inducing in a mechanical sort of way. Sort of.

Ketamine is more 'psychedelic' then either (though DXM at gram plus doses is very reality destroying in a sensory way. Impossible to see anything).

 

[Oats]

i think im going to stay away from this one, i like really mellow drugs.

 

[QuasiModo]

If you like mellow drugs you should try 2c-b. That one is melllllooooowwww

 

[oxmo]

Salvia is without a doubt the most intense drug I have ever tried.

It only lasts 5 minutes, although the comedown can also be pretty intense and can last about 10-20 minutes, so in total, the trip itself + the comedown (getting used to reality again) can = roughly half an hour.

Trip-sitters are essential.

It is not a party drug. It is not a mellow drug.

It is akin to ripping your brain out from your skull, placing it in a jar, and having it be completely divorced from reality - losing all sense of time and space.

That being said, the intensity of the effects depend on dosage. I smoked an extract - not sure whether it was 20x or 30x.

It's definitely worth doing just for the experience. It can be somewhat spiritual. Just be sure to do it in a comfortable & relaxed setting, with people you trust. Be sure to be excited about the trip - any misgivings, doubts or negative thoughts, however natural, can easily turn into a bad trip.

I felt like my brain was folding in on itself (it's not as bad as it sounds). I completely forgot all notions of ego, humanity and 'self'. I saw* the world as a spaceless and timeless collection of atoms/molecules/strings (as in string theory) - of which I was a part - vibrating steadily to the rhythm of the universe, which endlessly folded in on itself. It was like nothing I'd ever experienced.
*although 'seeing' isn't adequate to describe the sensation - it was removed from any of my five senses. I didn't see, smell, hear, feel or taste anything. It was something altogether different.

edit: needless to say that I completely forgot I was on salvia.

 

[limetree]

I've only ever tried it one time, and my trip was absolutely crazy. I was floating towards heaven's gate, multicolored clouds were all around me, and I was in a forest of giant candy... it was like a life-sized candyland. It's so hard to describe it. I wanted to get to the gate so badly, but I wasn't going fast enough, and before I knew it, I drifted back to reality.

Definitely a rewarding experience, but I wouldn't recommend Salvia to everybody.

 

[trippin_titties]

Salvia is under estimated, its as strong as dmt imo. Makes you very disconnected from reality and it gives me cold sweats. I'm actually thinking about doing it again because the first time I did it i was 14, underestimating it.. jeeze i barely drank and i smoked weed regularly just i thought it was like a new type of weed or something but pow did i get a shock lol,, first and worst psychedelic experience ever but i think tahts because my set and setting was all wrong. I wanna try it again as i've had some good times wth it, ist best to close you eyes and lay back on it

 

[DubNaut]

Listening to that song brings about an immediate intense recall.

Yes.
All my salvia trips have been the same in different scenarios and intensities.

i told the entities i wasn't ready the first time, they where not happy when i kept showing up

it has been exactly a year now ( 10/28 ) and i am ready to play and conquer this game

 

[RhythmSpring]

Don't smoke salvia with weed. For your own sake, please. Gotta keep 'em separated.

@Dubnaut- You do not conquer Salvia, Salvia conquers you.

 

[Survived Abortion]

@Dubnaut- You do not conquer Salvia, Salvia conquers you.

Hehe, well said!

 

[DubNaut]

salvia isn't the game i am conquering %)

and why not smoke weed with salvia

 

[RhythmSpring]

They don't mix. I can't explain it pharmacologically, but one of my friends smoked weed after she smoked salvia and had serious problems (both mental and physical) for a few days. Also, in my experience reading experience reports on salvia, I notice a lot of the horrifying experiences have occurred in conjunction with weed. Also, in conjunction with other psychedelics.

In other words, it's best not to mix salvia with anything. If you do, make it nitrous or dxm, or something like that that will synergize with the dissociative aspect.

Be warned.

 

[DubNaut]

i have only smoked salvia with weed, i find it interesting you say that
i have always planned to smoke it alone, if and when i do again

 

[shady4091]

I really don't think it matters if you're stoned, once you break through you're not going to feel the weed... Your entire sense of "self" and basically everything else is completely shattered. You don't know who you are, where you are, whether you're upside down or right side up, you don't remember that you smoked salvia, basically nothing really exists anymore. The world basically falls down into a vast waterfall like pattern of earthly browns and dark greens and you struggle like mad to find your way out of it hopelessly lost for what feels like eternity. I found myself screaming (and not being able to hear myself), not being able to see myself, nothing... Just emptiness. It felt like existence itself had just come to an abrupt end because in my mind "it had to end sometime, so this is it..."

It's worth it for the experience but it really scared the shit out of me to say the least. It took weeks for me to get back to "normal" and stop thinking about it cause it was all so real to me. Also note that there is a HUGE difference between a lower dose and a breakthrough dose. When you break through, you'll know...

 

[himynameispaul]

I love how I go on the psychedelic board with the intent of conversing or starting a topic on salvia, and it's the very first thread I see. The universe it funny. But yah, I just experienced it my 5th or whatever time about a couple hours ago.

But everyone should keep doing salvia. do it and do it and do it. but here were my initial thoughts as soon as I got back to the computer. It's so hard to contain. I feel so excited. It's like it breaks down everything. I walk near my building and I'm like "hello fellow human!" to this chick getting ready to take off on her bike. She was probably a bit freaked out, but the glow was so bright inside me. i felt connected. like "we're all in this together", this catastrophe of the current state of the world. I feel so free from any barriers that I typically feel imposed on me.

But...

Yah. you unzip. Yah. Being human is just a “thing” like a container. Yah, it isn’t real. Well yah, we’re real. But different. A reality of difference. Yah. We’re 2D - like planar. Our mind and body exist linearly. Flat landers basically. So it's like being torn away from that. Yah, there’s another “life” or at least something else beyond it. There's intelligence within/beyond us. Yah, everything that exists currently is silly.

Honestly though, these are just words. And they don’t do it justice. It’s rips you away. It confuses you. It’s ancient. It makes no sense. and everything becomes silly. There’s like a cartoon. You don’t know where or what there’s no coming or going it just is eternally and you dont exist. That is the “I” doesnt exist. I didn’t understand what I was looking through. Nothing made sense. But it wasn’t scary.

There’s nothing to fear but fear itself.

And thats as far as I could explain it. "going into" the state is seamless. completely transition into another "dimension", for lack of an appropriate term. the trip was mental images that felt so real and made no sense. the come down was like trying to wake yourself up from the position of a spectator. like there's intelligent beings inside your head and they're like "this is paul". i heard my name. and it puts you back, but as ur being put back its confusing as fuck. I was in this opening surrounded by forest and saw these people and was like "excuse me?" like I thought they had some business with me. It was total confusion. Seeing out of a face made little sense during the come down. It's kinda "awkward" and can be frightening, but ONLY and ONLY if you impose an ego into the equation. go into the trip with bliss, good vibes, and no fear and youll come out feeling like "WOAH".

I've never had one, but for your own sanity a sitter is a good idea - yaknow, a kinda connection back to the world of the living so that the comedown is more seamless. itll still be confusing im sure, but at least youll have something with meaning there to help you out and express your thoughts to.
This was my like 5th time smoking it and my highest dose, so of course my most intense trip. I'm still kinda like woah about it now.

 

[DubNaut]

I love how I go on the psychedelic board with the intent of conversing or starting a topic on salvia, and it's the very first thread I see. The universe it funny. But yah, I just experienced it my 5th or whatever time about a couple hours ago.

But everyone should keep doing salvia. do it and do it and do it. but here were my initial thoughts as soon as I got back to the computer. It's so hard to contain. I feel so excited. It's like it breaks down everything. I walk near my building and I'm like "hello fellow human!" to this chick getting ready to take off on her bike. She was probably a bit freaked out, but the glow was so bright inside me. i felt connected. like "we're all in this together", this catastrophe of the current state of the world. I feel so free from any barriers that I typically feel imposed on me.

oh you're in on the joke?
hello friend, it is a wonderful liberation but i sadly found a darkside to it all
i've had/have been struggling with misery that not all are able to recognize the beauty of this human existence
i would like to keep in touch!

 

[himynameispaul]

oh you're in on the joke?
hello friend, it is a wonderful liberation but i sadly found a darkside to it all
i've had/have been struggling with misery that not all are able to recognize the beauty of this human existence
i would like to keep in touch!

Oh but the purpose of liberation is freedom from misery entirely. People surprisingly appear in life. I'd like to think that there's plenty who have traversed the beaten path. The best you can do sometimes is open the eyes of those who surround you and teach them how to laugh. Help them realize what they are.

 

[DubNaut]

i feel obliged to the population, there needs to be unity, and its hard if most are to caught up to listen

 

[Te0X2t]

It was all the unpleasant-ness of shrooms multiplied by 25....