http://www.catalystmagazine.net/component/k2/item/1799-to-meat-or-not-to-meat?
Great article in one of Salt Lake's local free papers. Chika check it out.
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http://www.catalystmagazine.net/component/k2/item/1799-to-meat-or-not-to-meat?
Great article in one of Salt Lake's local free papers. Chika check it out.
effingcustie
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Great article.. I started eating meat a few months ago after 10 years as a vegetarian, it was definitely the right decision.
The Secret Life Of Plants is a good read. The main reason I left Forestry college was because I couldn't live with myself chopping down so many innocent trees. It's really rather ludicrous how many would sneer at me for such a comment/decision, but alas we all have our own ideas and opinions and this was a strong one of mine.
Hence why I went into Horticulture, and the actual nurture of plants
Plants are just as "alive" as you and I. Take 70g fresh Cubensis Mushrooms and you'll see
Hence why I went into Horticulture, and the actual nurture of plants
Plants are just as "alive" as you and I. Take 70g fresh Cubensis Mushrooms and you'll see
aislinnna
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Just like to point out, way more grain is used to produce red meat, than to feed a vegetarian, so yeah that argument doesn't really hold up. You have to clear more land for cattle, than to feed people on a vego diet.
effingcustie
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No grain is used to feed the cattle I eat, they eat grass.
Fyasko.
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^protein supplements can supply more than enough amino acids cant they?
Renz Envy
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Yeah, but they lack other fat soluble vitamins and minerals found in meat.
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Not necessarily grain, but many resources are used to raise the animals which are then killed for us to eat, much more than we would just eat ourselves.
I have been without meat for over a month now.
Is it okay if a cow ate a human ... so that it was healthier?
Is it healthy to eat a pound of bacon and a 16 oz steak every day? No.
Is it healthy to only eat carrots? No.
A healthy diet is balanced, and every one needs to find a proper diet for their body and activity level.
Humans have incissor teeth designed to tear flesh. So get some meat in ya, but dont forget to eat your carrots.
Is it healthy to only eat carrots? No.
A healthy diet is balanced, and every one needs to find a proper diet for their body and activity level.
Humans have incissor teeth designed to tear flesh. So get some meat in ya, but dont forget to eat your carrots.
Field mice and worms are killed when fields are plowed. So unless you are only eating from gardens, your meal is causing death. That is one of the points in the article. Cows, chickens, etc can be pastured in a very eco friendly way that arguably causes less death than modern agriculture.
Factory farming of animals is really the worst of both worlds. It involves massive amounts of machine cultivated land coupled with captive animals in unhealthy living conditions and inhumane deaths. Please avoid.
Factory farming of animals is really the worst of both worlds. It involves massive amounts of machine cultivated land coupled with captive animals in unhealthy living conditions and inhumane deaths. Please avoid.
aislinnna
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I thought George Bush just turned vego for health purposes? I've heard of several different nutritionists recommending cutting down or cutting out meat for health purposes too. Can you link me to anything pointing out which amino acids I would be missing out on, that can't be supplemented through other parts of diet? I'm genuinely curious.
Amen to the healthy diet! Btw gorillas have larger incisor teeth for their size than humans, yet they live on vegetables!
Dimitri K.
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Saying that "killing plants is killing too" is the weakest and most ridiculous argument for eating meat that I've ever come across. While I do eat red meat occasionally (at this point only grass fed) and poultry and fish more commonly, both should not be eaten commonly. Basically, there are much healthier methods of getting your protein without clogging up your intestines with meat that humans literally cannot digest well.
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effingcustie
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Honestly I think the whole vegetarian vs meat-eater argument in terms of health and sustainability is kind of pointless. There are vegetarians who eat a healthy sustainable diet and some who eat an unhealthy unsustainable diet, and the same goes for meat eaters. It's a lot more important to look at the ways we can improve food production and distribution processes, for both vegetables and meat.
Whether you want to eat meat or not is a personal choice, and the positives and negatives of either side are going to be different for everyone. You have to listen to your own body and heart and do what's best for you. Personally after a long time as a vegetarian I did a lot of thinking and decided I wanted to try eating meat again, and that was the right decision for me.
I remember when I first went vegetarian at 14, spouting all this bullshit about how much better for your health and the environment it is while I was eating Morningstar for every meal 8( I just think it's better to avoid hyperbole "X is THE way to eat" propaganda, and actually educate people on the complicated details of the situation and let them make their own decisions.
Whether you want to eat meat or not is a personal choice, and the positives and negatives of either side are going to be different for everyone. You have to listen to your own body and heart and do what's best for you. Personally after a long time as a vegetarian I did a lot of thinking and decided I wanted to try eating meat again, and that was the right decision for me.
I remember when I first went vegetarian at 14, spouting all this bullshit about how much better for your health and the environment it is while I was eating Morningstar for every meal 8( I just think it's better to avoid hyperbole "X is THE way to eat" propaganda, and actually educate people on the complicated details of the situation and let them make their own decisions.
Clean_Cut
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Whole foods FTW....
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"It’s somewhat well-known that the amino acid profile of grains complements the amino acid profile of legumes. The reason why grains are not considered a whole protein is because one of their amino acids is lower than the rest."
http://www.quora.com/Vegetarianism/...-are-the-consequences-of-long-term-deficiency
It's basic health knowledge. Took me about 5 seconds to find it on google.
Chicken, tuna, turkey; amazingly good for nutrients, normal blood pressure and cholesterol. This is why these three meats are in 90% of my meals.
Eating cheese, eggs and legumes, while they contain plenty of protein and are nutrient rich, unfortunately have high levels of fat and don't really fit my modus operandi for a healthy diet alone. Eggs being the only exception as they are pretty awesome. But who wants to eat eggs 24-7?
And I'm sure George Bush would announce that for political reasons. The only plausible reason I can find for switching to vegetarian/vegan is out of ethical concerns for farm animals and labor conditions as well as a basic knowledge of the corruption of farm companies.
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aislinnna
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^^ I was hoping more along the lines of scientific journals and lab reports to be honest.
its not hard to get all the proteins you need on a vegetarian diet.
vegan, on the other hand, is a bit "out of tune" with mother nature, and requires the commodities of modern civilization to survive. humans at the individual level might be able to survive the world without civilization as vegans, but its by no means something the entire species could adopt and thrive (take the mass extinction event of about 65,000 years ago in africa, for example. homo sapiens survived on a diet of mostly seafood for potentially a few hundred years). i dont agree with veganism as i feel its a trendy, pop culture fabricated idea that most people use to form their own personal identity and differentiate themselves from others.
i eat meat about once a week, though it might even be more like once every 10 days. i also often consume red meat raw, or just barely seared. i only eat meat from a butcher that only practices humane slaughtering, and gets its animals from pastured, organic practicing farms. given that, i consume everything and anything that has the lowest amount of biomagnified pollution. cows, pigs, goats, quail, camels, whatever, i eat the whole thing, guts and all. on that note, i really cant believe rabbit isnt a mainstay of the american diet! the halal butcher near me has some amazing whole rabbits, the liver is especially tasty. i also make a nice breakfast out of duck hearts once in a while, costs like $1.80 for a 45g protein meal!
i refuse to eat meat in a restaurant that isnt really adamant about advertising where it sources its meat, and only working with farmers who have humane slaughtering and organically raised and pastured animals. ill never eat grain fed beef, and never eat farm factory style animal meat. in fact i rarely eat out as i think most of the food in restaurants is doctored up garbage.
i dont consume milk, though i eat a raw cheese meal perhaps once a month, and have a raw yogurt meal perhaps once a month. i dont consume any pasteurized dairy products. i do consume whey protein isolates from organically raised cows when im bodybuilding. i also take a lot of organic hemp proteins, and drink a fair amount of hemp milk.
most of my proteins come from a cleverly matched diet of vegetables, nuts, legumes, eggs, and grains such as sorghum, barley, oats, millet, quinoa, and buckwheat. i do eat some rye and spelt - though i try to avoid gluten containing grains (esp wheat, fuck USA govt subsidized garbage!).
i used to be a huge seafood eater, but as weve virtually destroyed the oceans, its very difficult to get trusted sources for seafood that isnt loaded with biomagnified heavy metals, bpa/plastic particulate matter, and other toxins we just dump into the ocean like there is no tomorrow. i very rarely eat fish for this reason, and on that note, consume a large amount of naturally chelating vegetable matter (like lots of algae, spirulina, cholerla, heck even excess raw cilantro!).
again, its not difficult to get a bulky amount of proteins from a vegetarian diet. just research the amino acid profile of most of your vegetables, and compliment with something like tempeh, beans/legumes, nuts, etc. youd probably be surprised at how many fruits have very good amino acid profiles.
the thing is, one should be very aware of the function of each food one puts in the body. as Westerners, were trained to be ignorant of these things, so we have to fight against this willfull slavery and understand our place in the greater harmony if the natural world. there is no greater fulfilling hobby than pursuing the understanding of nutrition and its role in physiology and medicine.
vegan, on the other hand, is a bit "out of tune" with mother nature, and requires the commodities of modern civilization to survive. humans at the individual level might be able to survive the world without civilization as vegans, but its by no means something the entire species could adopt and thrive (take the mass extinction event of about 65,000 years ago in africa, for example. homo sapiens survived on a diet of mostly seafood for potentially a few hundred years). i dont agree with veganism as i feel its a trendy, pop culture fabricated idea that most people use to form their own personal identity and differentiate themselves from others.
i eat meat about once a week, though it might even be more like once every 10 days. i also often consume red meat raw, or just barely seared. i only eat meat from a butcher that only practices humane slaughtering, and gets its animals from pastured, organic practicing farms. given that, i consume everything and anything that has the lowest amount of biomagnified pollution. cows, pigs, goats, quail, camels, whatever, i eat the whole thing, guts and all. on that note, i really cant believe rabbit isnt a mainstay of the american diet! the halal butcher near me has some amazing whole rabbits, the liver is especially tasty. i also make a nice breakfast out of duck hearts once in a while, costs like $1.80 for a 45g protein meal!
i refuse to eat meat in a restaurant that isnt really adamant about advertising where it sources its meat, and only working with farmers who have humane slaughtering and organically raised and pastured animals. ill never eat grain fed beef, and never eat farm factory style animal meat. in fact i rarely eat out as i think most of the food in restaurants is doctored up garbage.
i dont consume milk, though i eat a raw cheese meal perhaps once a month, and have a raw yogurt meal perhaps once a month. i dont consume any pasteurized dairy products. i do consume whey protein isolates from organically raised cows when im bodybuilding. i also take a lot of organic hemp proteins, and drink a fair amount of hemp milk.
most of my proteins come from a cleverly matched diet of vegetables, nuts, legumes, eggs, and grains such as sorghum, barley, oats, millet, quinoa, and buckwheat. i do eat some rye and spelt - though i try to avoid gluten containing grains (esp wheat, fuck USA govt subsidized garbage!).
i used to be a huge seafood eater, but as weve virtually destroyed the oceans, its very difficult to get trusted sources for seafood that isnt loaded with biomagnified heavy metals, bpa/plastic particulate matter, and other toxins we just dump into the ocean like there is no tomorrow. i very rarely eat fish for this reason, and on that note, consume a large amount of naturally chelating vegetable matter (like lots of algae, spirulina, cholerla, heck even excess raw cilantro!).
again, its not difficult to get a bulky amount of proteins from a vegetarian diet. just research the amino acid profile of most of your vegetables, and compliment with something like tempeh, beans/legumes, nuts, etc. youd probably be surprised at how many fruits have very good amino acid profiles.
the thing is, one should be very aware of the function of each food one puts in the body. as Westerners, were trained to be ignorant of these things, so we have to fight against this willfull slavery and understand our place in the greater harmony if the natural world. there is no greater fulfilling hobby than pursuing the understanding of nutrition and its role in physiology and medicine.