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Muammar - Don't shoot me? Kim Jong Il's droppin' bass and pills

I'm really glad of the way his reign ended, if put on trial in The Hague he would have probably exploited some human rights law or old age to avoid paying for his crimes, he had several chances to leave, he could have fled to Venezuela six months ago emptying the central bank, and the 144 tons of gold it is believed to contain. His stubborness has lead to seven months of war and over 20,000 dead. He had to die like a dog in a dirty drainer.
Seeing the images filled me up with a sense of joy and accomplishment, surely the scene should serve as a warning to other despots who are killing their own people, like Bashar Assad of Syria.
 
I agree with people's comments regarding how utterly disgusting old Mad Dog's death has been shown in the media. The Sun with the headline "THIS IS FOR LOCKERBIE" or something similar next to a picture of his burst up dial. Fuck right off. The absolute mutants that read/buy that paper deserve death as much as anyone.

While I don't 100% agree with these posts, I mainly do & I'll copy n paste them here as my mate has described this in a far better way than I possibly could...

Dragon said:
Poor old Muamar Gaddafi R.I.P. Hunted like a dog. It should be that sanctimonious arsehole of a Prime Minister of ours with a bullet in his head.
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To which someone replied "To be fair it was other Libyans that shot him, he couldn't have been too cooshty"

Dragon said:
Shot with our bullets, fired from our guns supplied by us to manipulate a rag tag bunch of vicious murderous neds for the sake of our own government's vindictive ends (I use 'our' figuratively of course, I don't consider the current government mine by any means. I'm voting SNP next election if only to stop being associated with the soulless capitalist warmongers in Westminster). Dragging a man's corpse around howling like fucking pigs is barbaric. Rant over. In fact, No, it's not. I'll be going on about this for days. What I saw today shamed, sickened and infuriated me.
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Dragon said:
He stood up for arab nations when they were getting boned raw off every western nation at the oil markets and used the wealth to create a socialistic paradise state. There's still thousands of Gaddafi supporters across Libya. I fail to understand how anyone can seem to deserve such a horriblel death, and for people of supposedly developed nations to look on and say "oh well that's fair enough."
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Dragon said:
A man has been killed violently for alleged crimes without a fair trial. This is justice, apparently, to the majority of our brainwashed population as per the front cover of this issue of The Sun. We're oh so proud of our free and democratic values, our developed and sophisticated way of living, but we're not above baying for an innocent (until proven guilty) man's blood. There's monkeys flinging toalies at each other, and then just a short distance up the evolutionary line, there's us. Nietzsche was, is right. I hate us.
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Dragon said:
There is nothing I like about this, or any of the other western backed or manipulated wars and revolutions in the arab states and the rest of the developing world. The nature and coverage of this man's death disgusts me on an acutely human level. It could be anyone and I'd be enraged.
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Well said. I couldn't, & wouldn't attempt to, put it better myself. Although I don't quite believe his "paradise state" chat.

I don't support Gadaffi in any way, but I don't support this shite either.
 
One thing is clear among all the distortions and propaganda. This revolution wouldn't have gone beyond the suburbs of Benghazi on its own steam. It was NATO what won it and deposed Gadaffi. We of the west love peace and rush to protect threatened innocents wherever we find them living on top of an oil well. That's all I know of the matter.
 
charlie clean said:
One thing is clear among all the distortions and propaganda. This revolution wouldn't have gone beyond the suburbs of Benghazi on its own steam. It was NATO what won it and deposed Gadaffi. We of the west love peace and rush to protect threatened innocents wherever we find them living on top of an oil well. That's all I know of the matter.
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We were already happily exploiting the oil in Libya before the revolution. If anything supporting the revolution has totally fucked up the countries oil production for the foreseeable future. Furthermore the amount of oil in Libya is pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things. If we went into Zimbabwe everyone would say we're doing it for the gold, diamonds, copper, coal and other precious minerals. It's almost as if every single country on earth has some sort of exploitable minerals for people to point at and claim that was what we invaded for. When we didn't enter Iraq to stop Saddam slaughtering the Kurds we were the bad guys, when we entered to stop him and his doing it again in the future we were the bad guys... I guess we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. One things for sure we are obviously totally incapable of doing anything for reasons beyond personal gain.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
We were already happily exploiting the oil in Libya before the revolution. If anything supporting the revolution has totally fucked up the countries oil production for the foreseeable future. Furthermore the amount of oil in Libya is pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things.
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Well, yes, but no. Gadaffi's been a marked man since 1982. But oil geopolitics are fiendishly complex and all we know is we don't know the half of it.

If we went into Zimbabwe everyone would say we're doing it for the gold, diamonds, copper, coal and other precious minerals.
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Are Zimbawbe's mining industries worth that much? If they are, where's the money going now?

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When we didn't enter Iraq to stop Saddam slaughtering the Kurds we were the bad guys, when we entered to stop him and his doing it again in the future we were the bad guys...
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A question of motivation. We didn't give a shit for the Kurds and took out Saddam as part of some grand imperial scheme of which we again know little.

I guess we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. One things for sure we are obviously totally incapable of doing anything for reasons beyond personal gain.
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Not always. Standing up to Hitler was heroic; the crippling cost turned us into the US client state we are today but the alternative is too horrendous to contemplate. A lot to do with leadership. Blair and Bush are not men of principle.

You're right, though, it isn't easy and we ought to be grateful to the fellas who keep the show on the road. But I've a suspicion that, most of the time about most things, we're mainly taken for a ride and it's the riders who eat chicken.
 
charlie clean said:
Well, yes, but no. Gadaffi's been a marked man since 1982. But oil geopolitics are fiendishly complex and all we know is we don't know the half of it.



Are Zimbawbe's mining industries worth that much? If they are, where's the money going now?

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A question of motivation. We didn't give a shit for the Kurds and took out Saddam as part of some grand imperial scheme of which we again know little.



Not always. Standing up to Hitler was heroic; the crippling cost turned us into the US client state we are today but the alternative is too horrendous to contemplate. A lot to do with leadership. Blair and Bush are not men of principle.

You're right, though, it isn't easy and we ought to be grateful to the fellas who keep the show on the road. But I've a suspicion that, most of the time about most things, we're mainly taken for a ride and it's the riders who eat chicken.
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I agree Gadaffi was always going to get it, he just never really gave any direct cause for us to do anything about him. Having done some research on him, this supposedly evil dictator was remarkably good to his citizens; A small example would be that every citizen got $500 per month from the oil sales, as well as $50,000 to buy a home when they got married.

Zimbabwe is sitting on trillions of dollars of minerals, I think the money is going pretty much directly into Mugabes pocket. There are dozens of major issues facing the world, which I guess is why we don't go getting involved. We didn't get involved in fighting Germany because what they were doing was wrong, we got involved because they were a challenge to our power and our interests. Even America was in two minds about getting involved, and even came remarkably close to being on Germany's side.

I can't get to the bottom of the motivations behind most of the actions of governments around the world, and I never will. I don't think they even really know half the time - it's a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing in a lot of cases. I am just glad that the powers that be are semi on our side. I would much rather be with them than in their way.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Er...Yvonne Fletcher, IRA Semtex, Lockerbie?
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Libya had nothing to do with Lockerbie. Iran (via the Palestinians) carried out this one in retaliation for the USS Vincennes ( aka Robocruiser) shooting down an Iranian airbus and killing all 290 people. The US, UK and Israel have ben aware of this from the beginning. US needed Iran and Syrian support for Gulf war 1, which Libya opposed, so a quick switcheroo made this one official.
Former UK ambassador to Libya, Oliver Miles:
"No court is likely get to the truth, now that various intelligence agencies have had the opportunity to corrupt the evidence,"
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In May 1989, the State Department stated that the CIA was "confident" of the Iran/Syria/ PFLP-GC account of events, as could be read in the Washington Post.

On September 20 1989, The Times of London reported that "Security officials from Britain, the United States, and West Germany are ‘totally satisfied’ that it was the PFLP-GC" behind the crime.

New York Times: In December 1989, Scottish investigators announced that they had "hard evidence" of the involvement of the PFLP-GC in the bombing.

A National Security Agency (NSA) electronic intercept disclosed that Ali Akbar Mohtashemi, Iranian interior minister, had paid Palestinian terrorists ten million dollars to gain revenge for the downed Iranian airplane. Department of the Air Force–Air Intelligence Agency intelligence summary report, dated March 4, 1991.

How quickly the tune is changed.
 
tragiclemming said:
Libya had nothing to do with Lockerbie.
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Appreciate what you're saying but this was in answer to 'direct cause' - as estimated by the intelligence services. Afghanistan had sod-all to do with 9/11. Didn't stop it getting a war. Saddam didn't have WOMD. Etc.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Appreciate what you're saying but this was in answer to 'direct cause' - as estimated by the intelligence services. Afghanistan had sod-all to do with 9/11. Didn't stop it getting a war. Saddam didn't have WOMD. Etc.
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Ok. Got ya. As in 'Libya was framed for Lockerbie' hence Gadaffi needs to go sometime in the future when it's most convenient.
Semtex - IRA - Libya. Dassault - Argentina - France. :X
 
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