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With a vaporizer, things seem to get headier as it gets hotter

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I've read from several different sources that say when you turn the temp up on a vaporizer, it should be a calmer body high, while lower temps should be much headier. I'm finding the exact opposite, mild body stone at 356-410f, never heady no matter how many hits I take, the second I turn it up to 428, I get a near-instant super strong head high.

I've really only experimented with 2 strains so far since I just felt like becoming a regular user one day recently. So I guess it could be the strains.

Anyone know what I'm talking about or am I crazy?
 
I turn the temp right up on my vape. I do it because I prefer it. Some people have said not to turn it all the way up because it's getting close to combustion. But I dont care too much, I find that the higher temps gives me larger amounts of vapour.
 
I think vaping just gives a high that is much headier than smoking in general. Turning up the temperature would probably get you higher, but you should get a body and a head high at the same time regardless of how you consume it.
 
poledriver said:
I turn the temp right up on my vape. I do it because I prefer it. Some people have said not to turn it all the way up because it's getting close to combustion. But I dont care too much, I find that the higher temps gives me larger amounts of vapour.
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Even if it is combusting slightly, there's no way borderline combustion is anywhere near as bad as just taking a lighter to the bud.
 
Yeah for sure, I totally agree. And so do my chest/lungs. I used to smoke bongs for many years and I used to wheeze and cough up yucky stuff all the time, now I have been only vaping for about 5 years without smoking at all my lungs are much healthier. I still get just as high from vaping, if not higher! I love it. I recommend it to all my friends, and a few of them have switched over to it from smoking.
 
Salutations,

The Network said:
...mild body stone at 356-410f... ... ...the second I turn it up to 428, I get a near-instant super strong head high.
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Just a wild guess: is it possible the vaporizer's temperature display won't actually reflect temperature, for a lack of any corresponding sensor inside perhaps? Which is the case with many low-cost devices that work more like a stove heater than a thermostatic heat source, i'm afraid. For example i vaguely recall that i never managed to get a clear picture showing some eventual temperature sensor in the "E.Z. Vape".

Maybe 356 ~ 410 degrees F isn't anything close to what you're expecting (and paid for); as a matter of fact such large variation alone seems extreme to say the least, hence i get the definite impression yours might have been vaporizing at extra-low temperature 1st then it reached the THC range which allmost went as a surprize it seems. In other words i sort of wonder if the CBD range was even ever explored at all while your goodies were on stand-by inside, getting extensively baked until the unit is off - or the wand removed, etc...

Good day, have fun!!
 
Egzoset said:
Salutations,



Just a wild guess: is it possible the vaporizer's temperature display won't actually reflect temperature, for a lack of any corresponding sensor inside perhaps? Which is the case with many low-cost devices that work more like a stove heater than a thermostatic heat source, i'm afraid. For example i vaguely recall that i never managed to get a clear picture showing some eventual temperature sensor in the "E.Z. Vape".

Maybe 356 ~ 410 degrees F isn't anything close to what you're expecting (and paid for); as a matter of fact such large variation alone seems extreme to say the least, hence i get the definite impression yours might have been vaporizing at extra-low temperature 1st then it reached the THC range which allmost went as a surprize it seems. In other words i sort of wonder if the CBD range was even ever explored at all while your goodies were on stand-by inside, getting extensively baked until the unit is off - or the wand removed, etc...

Good day, have fun!!
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It is definitely a cheaper vaporizer, it was the cheapest one I found that was reviewed to be a perfectly fine starting point. I know at least one review from an experienced person said it actually tended to run a bit hot, which I believe because it definitely starts to combust on the 392 setting or higher if you leave it for a while instead of inhaling as soon as it's heated up.
 
Hi again,

The Network said:
...reviewed to be a perfectly fine starting point.
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Honestly in such portable i wouldn't expect the same cheap cosmetic trick as having no temperature sensor while pretending to control heat thermostatically, not to mention the manufacturer has been in operation for many years. This new information changes the overall context significantly, disregard previous comments unless you'd suspect a problem in the sensory chain...

Good day, have fun!!
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Are you implying the temperature settings do literally nothing? Because that's not even remotely true. It's not like they just randomly picked some voltages, I'm sure they tested it to get as close as possible to the settings. We're not doing brain surgery, plus or minus 10 degrees generally doesn't make a huge difference.
 
The Network said:
Are you implying the temperature settings do literally nothing? Because that's not even remotely true. It's not like they just randomly picked some voltages, I'm sure they tested it to get as close as possible to the settings. We're not doing brain surgery, plus or minus 10 degrees generally doesn't make a huge difference.
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I think what he is saying is that with most lower end vaporizers the temperature displayed is not the exact temperature of the heating unit. For example, a vaporizer might say 390, but due to heat loss and inaccurate sensors, the actual temperature that is reaching the plant matter may be as low as 300. I have had cheap enails that run the same where you temp them and find they are almost a 100 degrees short of what is being displayed because the sensor wasn't very close to the actual point of vaporization.

EDIT: This variation is the reason it takes time to find the right temperature for your specific device, as each will be a little different.
 
Salutations,

Egzoset said:
...disregard previous comments unless you'd suspect a problem in the sensory chain...
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The Network said:
Are you implying the temperature settings do literally nothing?
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My first hypothetical comment assumed a scenario possibly similar to the E. Z. Vape (from years ago). If there had been confirmation of the presence of 4 wires connecting its heater element then the power output could be expected to re-adjust dynamically while temperature varied as a function of airflow, etc., and hence this would have represented a very strong hint effectively confirming at least some decent amount of heat control implementing a genuine thermostatic "closed-loop". Or an approximation of it...

SheWasLvL18 said:
I think what he is saying is that with most lower end vaporizers the temperature displayed is not the exact temperature of the heating unit. For example, a vaporizer might say 390, but due to heat loss and inaccurate sensors, the actual temperature that is reaching the plant matter may be as low as 300.
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That reformulation above is essentially correct: there may still be temperature regulation going on though all vaporizers ain't built equal.

For example, during a quick transition event some "negative feed-back" (correction) signal is expected to steer the control loop in good time. Though in lack of sufficient heater power and/or sensor "agility" (e.g. the inverse of response time) a risk remains that even an authentic temperature display might fail to follow (or even induce "ripples" associated to circuit delays) while the device repeatedly attempts to regain full control. Alternately, in absence of any temperature sensor such loop obviously remains "open" (it's the 2-wires heater scenario), consequently the attached temperature display can only pretend to predict (not measure) some target temperature instead of reflecting a true reading in real-time. Such an open loop solution won't obey thermostatic behaviour, which won't stop some manufacturers to perpetuate the confusion since precise temperature regulation is more expensive to implement. Consequently the reactions of an unsuspecting consumer are no longer appropriate, which opens the door to operator errors (because it's like blind-driving: what you see is not what you get!)...

SheWasLvL18 said:
It's not like they just randomly picked some voltages, I'm sure they tested it to get as close as possible to the settings.
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This is correct as well because some heat control can be provided even in the absence of a temperature sensor closing the loop. In the sensor-less scenario you'd just aim for a temperature instead of read it, accounting for a succession of somewhat lossy thermal interfaces (+ associated delays), etc.

SheWasLvL18 said:
...each will be a little different.
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It seems i'd have to concur again. Indeed there can be specific situations (m'well, unless the reading is expressed in precise and absolute values); many factors may vary, in the device but not only: moisture in a bowl would necessarily call for more power input, i believe. Etc., etc.

To conclude, looking at the VaporNation vaporizer picture i'd think you've most likely got a temperature sensor inside, but then past that point i must admit being clueless even after re-reading your inital post.

Maybe you happen to be chasing the mirage of a moving target but that's another wild guess of mine, sorry.

All i can think of is to suggest using nice resinous & fully cured dry flowers as that should reduce uncertainties which in turn lead to hesitations potentially resulting in similar incidents.

Good day, have fun!!
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Different cannabinoids have different boiling points. In order for most to become active they have to be changed chemically, heat is one method for doing so.
 
So?

Nothing to say above.

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Well, if the heat reserve can't keep up with the operator's demands then the operator shall attempt to adjust to whatever heat reserve is available to him, i guess. At least this could constitute a germ of suggestion. First of all read the manufacturer's instructions, next i'd try to get some crispy-dry load (e.g. also decarboxylated, of course...) with no water in it just to make sure, for best results: otherwise moisture might challenge VaporNation's battery-powered portable IMO...

Yet all the sudden i'm starting to recall why i hated "Hot Dry Air Ovenizers" ? la Volcano/Arizer so much!!

No going back fo me! M'well... I wish the OP finds his solution, now that he's spent money on it.

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
lol ego whats with the attitude dude relax man I wasn't even talking to you.

Different boiling points would mean that different temps will result in a different blend of activated cannabinoids thus resulting in a different experience. Simple logic.
 
Salutations Mafioso,

For you it's Egzoset, with a capital "E" letter, or nothing.

Too bad you're on my ignore list already...

Do you care for the OP's initial purpose at all??

You're present diatribe has nothing to do with it and everything with my customized VaporGenie pipe + associated ritual, i believe.

So, if that matters at all i'll help you help me, euh...

Decarboxylation is assumed to have been dealt with previously to filling the bowl, how hard is that to understand?

Yet, it appears, googling around (...), that i possibly found a way to affect the THC/THCa/THCv and CBD/CBDa/CBDv ratios, which doesn't look like such a bad to me, while you've consistently suggested it was since over a week now, for obscure purposes which only you could explain.

Personally i still invite you to replicate your own experiments so you can comment other than out of a void full of emptiness (...), because as i pointed out long ago the principles you've kept insisting over again and again still apply in the cigarette/"joint" format as well - and it's the same cannabis, combustion or not. So the only variable which doesn't fit here is you being obcessed with all things Egzoset, it seems.

Not only that, if you had at least tried to understand the dedicated thread which went on for years you'd have sufficient background perspective to understand what it implies to pave the way to "Plan-A" where the packetization feature can only improve from using electro-magnetic induction. But it's from Egzoset and you've chased me around since 2010, m'well, just because. Right? So, let me tell you i find it pointless to insist drowning the fish.

Or learn to communicate better and try being polite for a change!

...

Hence i can only repeat what i concluded before, try crumble-dry resinous and well-cured loads to begin with, while attempting to "prepare" or "build up" the coming toke via some pre-heating ritual i figure. Which ruined my experience with the Arizer V-Tower that i actually gave away for free as tje "Pot-Pourri Warmer" it is - and that's where i think it tingles in your mind again.

Consequently i'll come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter how great the reviews are on FuckCombustion (another tingle?), euh... Any HOT DRY AIR OVENIZER you could recommend just gives me an urge to go [ Next ], since this only sounds like yet another confirmation that this is a waste of money, time and efforts. M'well, unless the OP manages to find his way to hapiness, no thanks to you.

Oh and FUCK Trudeau.

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
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Egzoset said:
Salutations Mafioso,

For you it's Egzoset, with a capital "E" letter, or nothing.

Too bad you're on my ignore list already...

Do you care for the OP's initial purpose at all??

You're present diatribe has nothing to do with it and everything with my customized VaporGenie pipe + associated ritual, i believe.

So, if that matters at all i'll help you help me, euh...

Decarboxylation is assumed to have been dealt with previously to filling the bowl, how hard is that to understand?

Yet, it appears, googling around (...), that i possibly found a way to affect the THC/THCa/THCv and CBD/CBDa/CBDv ratios, which doesn't look like such a bad to me, while you've consistently suggested it was since over a week now, for obscure purposes which only you could explain.

Personally i still invite you to replicate your own experiments so you can comment other than out of a void full of emptiness (...), because as i pointed out long ago the principles you've kept insisting over again and again still apply in the cigarette/"joint" format as well - and it's the same cannabis, combustion or not. So the only variable which doesn't fit here is you being obcessed with all things Egzoset, it seems.

Not only that, if you had at least tried to understand the dedicated thread which went on for years you'd have sufficient background perspective to understand what it implies to pave the way to "Plan-A" where the packetization feature can only improve from using electro-magnetic induction. But it's from Egzoset and you've chased me around since 2010, m'well, just because. Right? So, let me tell you i find it pointless to insist drowning the fish.

Or learn to communicate better and try being polite for a change!

...

Hence i can only repeat what i concluded before, try crumble-dry resinous and well-cured loads to begin with, while attempting to "prepare" or "build up" the coming toke via some pre-heating ritual i figure. Which ruined my experience with the Arizer V-Tower that i actually gave away for free as tje "Pot-Pourri Warmer" it is - and that's where i think it tingles in your mind again.

Consequently i'll come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter how great the reviews are on FuckCombustion (another tingle?), euh... Any HOT DRY AIR OVENIZER you could recommend just gives me an urge to go [ Next ], since this only sounds like yet another confirmation that this is a waste of money, time and efforts. M'well, unless the OP manages to find his way to hapiness, no thanks to you.

Oh and FUCK Trudeau.

Good day, have fun!! =D
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Calm down, all is fine. This sentence here:

lol ego whats with the attitude dude relax man I wasn't even talking to you.
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He wasn't being a dick, and wasn't talking to you.

:)
 
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