SympatheticMD read my other thread to get a better perspective on why MDMA batches vary from one to the next because it's a complicated matter (more so than just safrole produced VS non safrole produced product). I see this thread has grown much since I've been gone
As lucid said we have the technology to figure this problem out we just don't have the financial or legal backing to do so, or anyone in the position willing to take the risk for the betterment of the MDMA taking community..
You guys do make good points on the eyes too. I see it in my area plenty still but when I look at pictures from elsewhere or travel I don't see the same dilated pupils to the max. Eye twitches are like almost unheard of these days..
Pothole, my research seems to indicate different and this also depends on where you live. Safrole is still used to this day, and PMK was often produced from safrole up until the mid to late 00's since then things have changed a bit. Piperanol was starting to get used in the early to mid 00's and based on what we know from indigo it seems the product from that synthesis (piperanol to nitropropene) is definitely not ideal and mongy.
We can't really make any conclusive statements on what precursors were used when because it really has varied. Maybe in the old days the late 80's and 90's but since then there have become too many chemists and too many synthetic routes produced in too many different locations. You guys say MDMA that smells of safrole is rare but around here in my neck of the woods it isn't.
One small change in the synthetic route can change the effect profile. So again I ask we stop making this so black and white. It's not that all MDMA is made the exact same way, for those that keep thinking that. And I'm sure even back in the 90's and early 00's there was MDMA that just didn't feel right due to synthetic route chosen and purity of end product.
I like your guys ideas of comparing experience reports though. I've done this before when examining the differences between MDA of the olden days and MDA today. Which firvthose that aren't aware has changed as well. There's a reason people used to think MDA lasted 12+ hours and it's cuz there was a time when it did. Nowadays there's batches that will last 3hours tops! Looking at the isomers of MDA this seems to match perfectly with their different profiles and it's possible the MDA back then was lab ordered legal R-MDA. Long tangent but yes I think this could be good in adding to our monster pile of evidence.
If you guys have noticed the naysayers have pretty much left the building. The evidence has gotten to a point where arguing is pointless, drug chemistry itself may be changed by this discussion as it blows away the idea that "said drug is said drug."
And one more thing. I think we can assume that safrole to MDP2P via a benzoquinone wacker or oxone, then al/hg reduction. Is probably our best bet in terms of labeling a synthetic route that will most likely give us the desired MDMA product with all the empathy and love.
-GC