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Husband wants to watch me have sex with another guy

That is another harmful generalization that is made all too often. Its actually a form of sexism against men, a lot of people think that because that is what they are told to think about men and many males and discouraged from being "emotional" which often leads to issues with communicating their emotions. I enjoy porn quite a bit, and I bet there are a lot more females out there obsessed with porn than you could dream. But those females are programmed in so many ways to be ashamed of their sexuality from a very young age that they are much less likely to ever let anyone know they masturbate, much less that they enjoy porn. I'll help break some stereotypes for you, I started masterbating at a very young age, like younger than 10, and I am a female.

These are all stereotypes and you need to stop fooling yourself into believing that men, women and people in general can be generalized based on one small fact about one's biology.

I don't want to make you defensive. This has been studied. It's not based off anecdotal evidence like yours. Men's brains are wired differently than Women's. I do agree with you however, we share a desire to have a human connection.
10 is extremely early to start masturbating. What lead to this? I'd guess sexual trauma of some kind.
 
Also, I don't discount that there are exceptions, but as a general rule emotional intimacy is not perpetuated n a relationship where you share your partner sexually.
 
I think that you might be surprised at how female dominated the swingers culture might be, sure it sounds like every mans wet dream if you are being stereotypical but when it comes to the actual people who are doing it and the social circles which it happens are by no means male dominated. Keep in mind I am someone who prefers monogamy and dont think I have it in me to open up my bedroom when I am in a relationship, but I have always been a super open minded person who went to an art college for my bachelors and my masters degree and pretty much everyone I knew and was close to was part of some sort of counter culture movement, lots of artists and musicians in Memphis's art scene. My college roommate and her boyfriend were part of the SCA(The Society for Creative Anachronism - basically the people who do midevil battle reinactments with battle armor and stuff, plus have crazy midevil parties) and I went to some events and parties with them. Many of the people heavily involved in SCA are family oriented and were the mega geeks you knew in high school, but they also love to party and many MANY of them were swingers. But the swinger aspect seemed mostly run by the women in the couples, if not it being honestly the couples decision.

I'm not saying this is the norm or that it ever will be, like I said I am monogamous personally and dont feel the lifestyle is for me personally, but everyone is different and there are probably more people than you think who are in perfectly loving relationships but have a sexual preference different than yours or mine. Just like I am a woman who is personally attracted to men, but I understand that some woman are attracted to women and some to both.
 
I think that you might be surprised at how female dominated the swingers culture might be, sure it sounds like every mans wet dream if you are being stereotypical but when it comes to the actual people who are doing it and the social circles which it happens are by no means male dominated. Keep in mind I am someone who prefers monogamy and dont think I have it in me to open up my bedroom when I am in a relationship, but I have always been a super open minded person who went to an art college for my bachelors and my masters degree and pretty much everyone I knew and was close to was part of some sort of counter culture movement, lots of artists and musicians in Memphis's art scene. My college roommate and her boyfriend were part of the SCA(The Society for Creative Anachronism - basically the people who do midevil battle reinactments with battle armor and stuff, plus have crazy midevil parties) and I went to some events and parties with them. Many of the people heavily involved in SCA are family oriented and were the mega geeks you knew in high school, but they also love to party and many MANY of them were swingers. But the swinger aspect seemed mostly run by the women in the couples, if not it being honestly the couples decision.

I'm not saying this is the norm or that it ever will be, like I said I am monogamous personally and dont feel the lifestyle is for me personally, but everyone is different and there are probably more people than you think who are in perfectly loving relationships but have a sexual preference different than yours or mine. Just like I am a woman who is personally attracted to men, but I understand that some woman are attracted to women and some to both.

If we were dating, the first signal to me that our relationship was meaningful would be that our sexual interest was only for each other. I'd want to make you feel loved and special. Sharing you with someone else cheapens that. Swinging seems unhealthy and unloving IMO. I think chemical reactions in the brain would back that up.
 
Also, I don't discount that there are exceptions, but as a general rule emotional intimacy is not perpetuated n a relationship where you share your partner sexually.
you don't seem to understand the difference between a "rule" and your personal concept of how relationships work.
 
you don't seem to understand the difference between a "rule" and your personal concept of how relationships work.

Fair play, I haven't been clear. I could point to studies that conclude fewer sexual partners correlate to healthier lifestyles (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...g-psychological-effects-multiple-sex-partners), but I didn't until now.
My opposition to sharing your partner comes from my understanding relationship models. Studies like http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022103180900074
And
http://academic.udayton.edu/jackbauer/Readings 595/Fraley 00 attch rev copy.pdf

Romantic attachment to your partner is not enhanced by taking on an additional sexual partner.
 
There's more information out there on how and why relationships function (or don't). Whatever happened on the OP's case? What's happened since you asked the forum about your dilemma?
 
That is another harmful generalization that is made all too often. Its actually a form of sexism against men, a lot of people think that because that is what they are told to think about men and many males and discouraged from being "emotional" which often leads to issues with communicating their emotions. I enjoy porn quite a bit, and I bet there are a lot more females out there obsessed with porn than you could dream. But those females are programmed in so many ways to be ashamed of their sexuality from a very young age that they are much less likely to ever let anyone know they masturbate, much less that they enjoy porn. I'll help break some stereotypes for you, I started masterbating at a very young age, like younger than 10, and I am a female.

These are all stereotypes and you need to stop fooling yourself into believing that men, women and people in general can be generalized based on one small fact about one's biology.


Seems people hide between the "Generalize much?" defense far too often. Generalizing is not a bad thing...especially when it's true.
 
I think that you might be surprised at how female dominated the swingers culture might be, sure it sounds like every mans wet dream if you are being stereotypical but when it comes to the actual people who are doing it and the social circles which it happens are by no means male dominated.

Makes sense. Psychologically I mean. It's the woman's way of accepting things. Let me explain...

Husband tells wife he wants to swing

Wife's initial reaction is to say no

Husband persists in asking and attempting to talk her in to it

Wife eventually gives in

Wife give in under the condition that she chooses when and where because this is how she justifies saying yes.

I'm going to generalize yet again here. I currently know six different couples who do, or have been swingers.

One of those couples have split up over intimacy issues due to the husband lusting for other women. It affected their relationship and ended.
Another one ended because because the extra man that was brought in to the relationship had at some point told the wife that if she were his, he would never share her...that he would love her enough to be with he and just her.
Another couple split up because the idea of the woman's boyfriend sleeping with another woman drove a wedge between them. Over a period of time, the reality got to be too much.
Another couple ended up split up because the wife started leaving her husband out of the bedroom activities with the other woman...in the end the husband was excluded completely and then asked to leave the home.
Another couple, which happened to be my girlfriend's parents, have been swinging for years. However, the woman is extremely unhappy and wishes she would have never agreed to it.
The last couple that I know who swing has just started swinging, so they have not been affected by it's subversive effects yet.

In every last one of these cases, the swinging idea was always brought up and then pressured by the man until the woman gave in.

Now don't get me wrong, I do understand that there are couples that believe that monogamy is for the birds....when two people get together who are already hard wired that way, THAT is when the swingers relationships work. My point is, if the woman has to be talked in to it, chances are, they are signing the death warrant to their relationship in the long run.

Now, yes...this is generalizing. However, it's the truth. I don't hide behind the political correct ideas of "Let's not generalize! It's bad!" I say what is on my mind and I say the truth...I couldn't care less if that is not politically correct.
 
Fair play, I haven't been clear. I could point to studies that conclude fewer sexual partners correlate to healthier lifestyles (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...g-psychological-effects-multiple-sex-partners)
hm I read that article and it talks about multiple sex partners in a period of time, but not necessarily at the same time. someone could be poly but only have 3 partners in a year, and somebody could be "mono" (meaning only one lover at a time) but 10 a year, and so forth.
it also only shows correlation with substance use but not other mental illness, which could basically just say that people daring enough to have a lot of sex partners, are also more daring to take drugs... you can't just extrapolate from that, that having multiple sex partners causes drug abuse but that there is a correlation (and the article itself points out that correlation does not equal causation!).

as far as I can tell, this abstract talks about "commitment" in a gerneral sense? have you read the whole paper? because I don't want't to pay 35 dollars to read it, quite frankly just to find out if they mean commitment strictly in terms monogamy or in a broader sense (which I personally can't tell by just reading the abstract). commitment could also be in terms of financial or emotional support. if you don't support your partner or are even leaving them, you are not commited to the relationship, without having slept with anybody else.

this paper is too long for tonight, because I'm quite stoned and reading that abstract before was already challenging. but I'll save it and may comment on it in the future. I also have no background in psychology so I sometimes have trouble with terminology.

Wraiven, a generalization is by definition not the truth. Furthermore, all your scenarios (generally regarding your posts here in SLR) involve that the man is the dominant part of the relationship and that the female is just forced to give in. but this is just the typical world view of male chauvinism (male = strong gender, makes the rules, female = submissive etc). not all people are like that. many men (including myself for example) like strong women and also maybe want to be sexually dominated by the female (this not necessarily bdsm, but just the dynamics of intercourse).

also, if a relationship ends, is it not really something inevitable? if a couple is happy with each other, then they'll stay together, when they're not happy, they will break up eventually (or stay together and stay unhappy). but you can't force happiness.if they hadn't started swinging, it might very well have ended over something else, possibly cheating. just the fact that one partner longs for other sexual partners and the other is not really comfortable with the idea and needs to get talked into it, shows that there were some discrepancies in the first place.
 
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This is why I did include that if both people join in to the relationship with the understanding that they will not be monogamous, this would be the only way that I can see a swinging relationship working. However, having to actually talk your partner in to it can only result in one way, with regrets.
 
To the OP...my personal conclusion is this:

If you feel like it is a good idea and it is something you would have wanted on your own, then I say go for it. However...

If it is something you feel uncomfortable with and you actually have to be talked in to it before you can agree with it, I say hell no. DO not let people change who you are, that will only end with regrets.
 
hm I read that article and it talks about multiple sex partners in a period of time, but not necessarily at the same time. someone could be poly but only have 3 partners in a year, and somebody could be "mono" (meaning only one lover at a time) but 10 a year, and so forth.
it also only shows correlation with substance use but not other mental illness, which could basically just say that people daring enough to have a lot of sex partners, are also more daring to take drugs... you can't just extrapolate from that, that having multiple sex partners causes drug abuse but that there is a correlation (and the article itself points out that correlation does not equal causation!).


as far as I can tell, this abstract talks about "commitment" in a gerneral sense? have you read the whole paper? because I don't want't to pay 35 dollars to read it, quite frankly just to find out if they mean commitment strictly in terms monogamy or in a broader sense (which I personally can't tell by just reading the abstract). commitment could also be in terms of financial or emotional support. if you don't support your partner or are even leaving them, you are not commited to the relationship, without having slept with anybody else.


this paper is too long for tonight, because I'm quite stoned and reading that abstract before was already challenging. but I'll save it and may comment on it in the future. I also have no background in psychology so I sometimes have trouble with terminology.

Wraiven, a generalization is by definition not the truth. Furthermore, all your scenarios (generally regarding your posts here in SLR) involve that the man is the dominant part of the relationship and that the female is just forced to give in. but this is just the typical world view of male chauvinism (male = strong gender, makes the rules, female = submissive etc). not all people are like that. many men (including myself for example) like strong women and also maybe want to be sexually dominated by the female (this not necessarily bdsm, but just the dynamics of intercourse).

also, if a relationship ends, is it not really something inevitable? if a couple is happy with each other, then they'll stay together, when they're not happy, they will break up eventually (or stay together and stay unhappy). but you can't force happiness.if they hadn't started swinging, it might very well have ended over something else, possibly cheating. just the fact that one partner longs for other sexual partners and the other is not really comfortable with the idea and needs to get talked into it, shows that there were some discrepancies in the first place.

There's a free link to the pdf on the page. I'm going to bow out of this. I don't the the OP is benefiting from our exchanges, and my thoughts about healthy relationships aren't as scientifically coherent as I'd like. I'm sorry for wasting all of our time.
 
I checked again and didn't find the free link. only if I have "login credentials" which I don't.

ps I don't think discussing with you was a waste of time ;)
 
To the OP...my personal conclusion is this:

If you feel like it is a good idea and it is something you would have wanted on your own, then I say go for it. However...

If it is something you feel uncomfortable with and you actually have to be talked in to it before you can agree with it, I say hell no. DO not let people change who you are, that will only end with regrets.

I Agree with this answer whole heartily, I do not think it would be healthy if it is something one partner is talking another partner into and if they are trying something like this.

The couples and the women I knew who were swingers did not seem like they were talked into it at all, they obviously looked forward to it as much as their partners. I have had more than one couple approach me actually and ask if I would come home with them, always respectful when declined, but often the female would be flirty with me all night before asking with me. I admit that although I am mostly straight I have some attraction to women, I love the female form and I enjoy flirting with women but men are what really do it for me. I think what really makes people happy in a relationship is when they are able to be themselves so do what honestly make you happy and makes you feel sexy and turned on.
 
This is why I did include that if both people join in to the relationship with the understanding that they will not be monogamous, this would be the only way that I can see a swinging relationship working. However, having to actually talk your partner in to it can only result in one way, with regrets.
yeah, of course I agree with this. but in my opinion, this just shows that people who are not compatible enough long term will either break up or be unhappy. if you want to be strictly monogamous but your partner wishes an open relationship of some sort, he/she is simply not the right partner for yourself.
 
yeah, of course I agree with this. but in my opinion, this just shows that people who are not compatible enough long term will either break up or be unhappy. if you want to be strictly monogamous but your partner wishes an open relationship of some sort, he/she is simply not the right partner for yourself.

I'll give that a thumbs up. :)
 
Hi Everybody,

I am new to this forum and wanted to get some of your views on a dilemma I am in right now. My husband and I have a good marriage and have now been married just over 10 years. A couple of years ago he asked me about my ex-boyfriends and my past sex life. I didn't want to tell him about it with much detail, but the more we discussed it, the more turned on he got. He wanted to know all the naughty things I did and some of my best sex memories with past boyfriends. Since then, he has admitted to me that his biggest fantasy would be to watch me with with a man that I am very attracted to and that is better endowed than him. I love my husband, but I get jealous if my husband even notices an attractive woman! I will admit his fantasy is very hot for me as the thought of being wanted by another man (while my husband watches) is incredibly sexy. It's even got to the point where it is probably my biggest fantasy as well.

Would really appreciate how others have dealt with this sort of fantasy? I have no idea why my husband would be so turned on by the idea of sharing me when it is completely one way!
Does it matter? It sounds like you get some hot sex, and he likes it. Take the win!!
 
I say go for it! I would love to watch my wife fucking a big black cock. She has incredible pussy and ass that I know could handle just about any cock, but I think she would get off fucking another guy...especially a black guy.
 
I say go for it! I would love to watch my wife fucking a big black cock. She has incredible pussy and ass that I know could handle just about any cock, but I think she would get off fucking another guy...especially a black guy.

What about a little white cock with like no hang time? If that sounds like it will fit your needs hit me up!
 
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