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Felony murder: why a teenager who didn't kill anyone faces 55 years in jail

poledriver said:
Guns are illegal here and no one hardly has them. It seems to work pretty well. Sure some major crims have them, but they aren't common around here anyway.

We don't get mass shootings at school with large amounts of people dying either. Which is great.
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Oh really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremen_school_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting

Can't remember which European country you said you're from but I think i covered it.
 
The shooting in France at Charlie Hebdo comes to mind, and I'm not even arsed to look for examples. Citizens are restricted from owning firearms in France, which obviously didn't help.. and possibly even hurt. Can find many more instances if someone bothers me to look. I'm sure everything will seem like an exception to the rule, right? That's kind of what criminals do, btw. ;)

In places where citizens can legally carry firearms, they are used to thwart crimes, and it's not difficult to find examples for those instances.

Back to the original topic, I always found it asinine that people can be charged if an officer is hurt or killed when a person eludes or evades and cops pursue into dangerous territory. Mostly regarding people who speed, cars or motorcycles, and take a detour. Again, it's consequences one may not consider up front. The best approach is to follow all laws and lead a long, boring life. :)
 
Any schools in that list?

Since Port Arthur / Martin Bryant then guns got way more restricted and bought back by the cops (buy back scheme) and not much has happened since then I dont think. Pretty rare if it has. Mostly small stuff with a person or two maybe 3, nothing at schools afaik.
 
Did either of you guys watch the jim jefferies vid I posted on the second page? Watch it all.
 
poledriver said:
Any schools in that list?

Since Port Arthur / Martin Bryant then guns got way more restricted and bought back by the cops (buy back scheme) and not much has happened since then I dont think. Pretty rare if it has. Mostly small stuff with a person or two maybe 3, nothing at schools afaik.
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They would be if said shooter had a grudge against schools. altho there have been school shootings in australia: (they weren't as successful luckily the shooters in these cases had specific targets, nonetheless they brought guns to schools which proves my point about gun laws)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
Not quite about sure how you feel non-school shootings are okay either.
I've made my point tho.

Here's a list of other killings in Australia that happened, just to prove that people can kill without guns as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairns_child_killings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_Hill,_New_South_Wales#Nursing_home_fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires#Central_Gippsland_fires
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childers_Palace_Backpackers_Hostel_fire
Guns clearly aren't the problem. People are.
 
Gun laws dont really make anyone "safe" but neither does the ability to by an automatic rifle at WalMArt. There are all sorts of gun laws in Canada and people still get shot all the time with illegal guns, and legal guns for that matter. People do fucked up stuff thats just part of life, I dont want anyone owning a gun (especially the police).

Honestly, unless you are prepared to beat someone to death with a rock, chances are you are a fucking coward anyways.
 
People don't need guns to kill people. Crazy people will find a way. Gun laws won't stop killings.
Timothy McVeigh, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
killed 168 people without firing a single bullet. That's more than twice the number of people killed in the deadliest individual shooting to date (2011 norway attacks)
and guess what?
-you can still buy ammonium nitrate fertilizer
-you can still buy blasting caps
-you can still rent box trucks.

my point is banning guns won't solve the problems people want gun laws to solve.
 
-you can still buy ammonium nitrate fertilizer
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I think this is monitored to a much larger degree.

Plus the accessibility to one hazard can not be used to justify another
 
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One could also argue that had he gotten hold of a thermonuclear device.... and on and on. Thank god most mass murderers are too inept to inflict the damage they intend to. No matter what the weapon people will always figure out a way to kill to with it, the hope is they just target politicians, police, and solidiers, and leave school kids alone
 
Trying2Iso said:
because the kid did cause the death.
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Beyond delusional! Last time I checked we are responsible for our own actions. His friend accepted his fate when breaking in as well, and no one else -- he was not under some mind control unless the kid alive is supernatural, which obviously is not the case. The only crime this kid should be facing is breaking and entering.
 
brink said:
The shooting in France at Charlie Hebdo comes to mind, and I'm not even arsed to look for examples. Citizens are restricted from owning firearms in France, which obviously didn't help.. and possibly even hurt. Can find many more instances if someone bothers me to look. I'm sure everything will seem like an exception to the rule, right? That's kind of what criminals do, btw. ;)

In places where citizens can legally carry firearms, they are used to thwart crimes, and it's not difficult to find examples for those instances.
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good point. Charlie Hebdo shootings are especially good examples of how criminals can get weapons illegally, guys had a freaking rocket launcher with them...
so much for French gun control.
 
Which places do citizens legally carrying firearms thwart crimes? Like Arizona? Like the school board in the US that allows teachers to conceal and not one but two end up shooting themselves?

People are infallible guns usually are not, its a bad fucking mixture. Nowhere on earth that gun controls exist guns do not, its probably a safe bet that gun related deaths and crimes are lower though.
 
Birc0014 said:
Which places do citizens legally carrying firearms thwart crimes? Like Arizona? Like the school board in the US that allows teachers to conceal and not one but two end up shooting themselves?
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Guns are banned for conceal carry in most places that mass shootings would strike. So there is no way law-abiding citizens could be legal vigilantes as of yet, that doesn't mean it wouldn't happen though if conceal carry were allowed in more places.
 
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