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Sleeping med help :(

I find it hard to relate, but understand a bit, and would recommend you go see a sleep doctor specialist, because if chloral hydrate+ temaz doesnt work, you need to also work with a therapist on your PTSD.

But mainly go see a sleep specialist
 
Lorne??? said:
I never suggested mixing opioids with anything! You said you had quit. But yes, I can guarantee you'll get some sleep on opioids.

Sleep well, my friend
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You can get a lot of sleep with Seroquel 200 mg. The problem is the next day, very sleepy..
 
Okay I managed to sleep for 14 hours last night after smoking the rest of the point I bought. Although it took me 2 hours to actually fall asleep and I started becoming extremely delusional before I fell asleep (thank god I fell asleep when I did). Now that I'm rested and will probably have at least one or two more normal days before things start getting to difficult I'm going to try and get this sorted out asap. I'm looking into seeing if there's a sleep clinic at the university of british columbia because I live in Vancouver. Also tomorrow my mom is going to get in touch with her gp and I'm going to get in touch with my gp and see if I can get on something strong enough to help me with my sleep until I can see a specialist.

I tried to have good sleep hygiene and all that before, gong to bed at the same time and not over stimulating myself before I go to sleep and all that and it worked at first but about a year and a half ago my sleep slowly started to decline and I still try to practice as good sleep hygiene as possible but I'm not sure how I can do anything to help me with sleep now other than medication.

If it helps these are the meds I take daily unless otherwise noted:
Invega (9mg), Epival (2000mg), Wellbutrin (300mg xl), clonazepam (2mg) which I have stopped taking as of 3 weeks ago, dexedrine (30mg sr) which I don't take unless I know I have to do something that will need me to be focused and suboxone (8mg) which I stopped taking over a month ago.
 
omen_owen mk2 said:
No you can't, everyone is different.
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Of course, but he/she is/was dependent, and is going through paws. Not saying that is the cause of insomnia, but it is certainly exarcebating it. Opioids for someone addicted to them + benzo's, when you haven't had an opioid in weeks as the OP said... Well, I'd be shocked if they didn't get some sleep.
 
sailor bugg said:
Okay I managed to sleep for 14 hours last night after smoking the rest of the point I bought. Although it took me 2 hours to actually fall asleep and I started becoming extremely delusional before I fell asleep (thank god I fell asleep when I did). Now that I'm rested and will probably have at least one or two more normal days before things start getting to difficult I'm going to try and get this sorted out asap. I'm looking into seeing if there's a sleep clinic at the university of british columbia because I live in Vancouver. Also tomorrow my mom is going to get in touch with her gp and I'm going to get in touch with my gp and see if I can get on something strong enough to help me with my sleep until I can see a specialist.

I tried to have good sleep hygiene and all that before, gong to bed at the same time and not over stimulating myself before I go to sleep and all that and it worked at first but about a year and a half ago my sleep slowly started to decline and I still try to practice as good sleep hygiene as possible but I'm not sure how I can do anything to help me with sleep now other than medication.

If it helps these are the meds I take daily unless otherwise noted:
Invega (9mg), Epival (2000mg), Wellbutrin (300mg xl), clonazepam (2mg) which I have stopped taking as of 3 weeks ago, dexedrine (30mg sr) which I don't take unless I know I have to do something that will need me to be focused and suboxone (8mg) which I stopped taking over a month ago.
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Yeah, as I've said, I am also an insomniac, and as an opioid addict, they are the only thing that really allows me to sleep anywhere close to normally.

That is probably the worst WD symptom, and for me, it(combined with the I continue losing weight no matter how long I abstain) makes quitting basically a non-option.
 
If you have all that clonazepam, and were able to cease taking it without a withdrawal syndrome, why not give that a try for some sleep? You don't have to take the full 2mg, after all. That would seem to be more advisable than reigniting a heroin addiction, as long as you weren't addicted to both concurrently.

The most effective sleep medications work on the gaba system anyway. Hopefully they'll give you some lunesta or something that will be more directly therapeutic for your insomnia.
 
Yea even snorting down gives me a really strong effect. Yesterday I went over to my ex's place and she had a point of down and she's a recovering addict and told me she didn't want it so I gave her a bit of money for it. Anyways it's really bad down cause I did it 3 days ago trying to help me feel better after I couldn't get any sleep at my ex's and smoking a point just made me feel buzzed. So I snorted the point and wow I actually felt like a nice warm feeling and my head was buzzing. So yea for now I'm just going to use when it's been a few days with no sleep and I can't function. I don't want to get addicted again so I'm trying to use as little as possible. Mind you I used to use to help with my PTSD but now that I have better control of it I think the risk of getting addicted is much lower.
 
Nicholai said:
If you have all that clonazepam, and were able to cease taking it without a withdrawal syndrome, why not give that a try for some sleep? You don't have to take the full 2mg, after all. That would seem to be more advisable than reigniting a heroin addiction, as long as you weren't addicted to both concurrently.

The most effective sleep medications work on the gaba system anyway. Hopefully they'll give you some lunesta or something that will be more directly therapeutic for your insomnia.
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I have been on all the z-drugs and they have absolutely no effect on my sleep. All they do is usually make me see things and have a metallic taste in my mouth in the morning. I think I might try going back on my clonazepam since it's been almost a month since I have last tried them but really I find them so addictive and they only help me sleep for a short while being I have to ramp up the dose. So I'm kinda stuck for options ><
 
I agree. That happened to me when I tried to stop using Methadone.
 
I've actually managed to get more sleep then I usually do I've actually slept for 3 nights in a row, now I have been doing down so I dunno if it's that or what but tomorrow I'm going to start phoning my docs, I'd do it today but it's a holiday so I'm guessing they're not in. Also my dreams have been extremely lucid and vivid for the past few days. I usually have pretty vivid dreams that can get lucid but these dreams are really powerful, I'm even dreaming with dreaming within dreaming, like I have to wake up 3-4 times before it's no longer a dream. I realize all this is happening while I'm asleep and it's kind of annoying I'd like to get rest not have to be aware of my dreams lol.
 
Seroquel (Quetiapine)? It´s not addicting at all, although you will need a prescription for that.
 
Erikmen said:
Seroquel (Quetiapine)? It´s not addicting at all, although you will need a prescription for that.
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Been on it before for use as both an anti-psychotic and a sleep aid, didn't help one bit and the side effects are horrible. I'd rather not sleep than take it even if it worked.

Well it starting again so far I've missed one night of sleep :(
 
2mg of xanax always puts me to sleep no matter what. I also like to add 2mg of clonidine with it also.
 
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The only time I needed a sleepin medication was when I was having brain zaps because of mdma. I was given sleeping pills to put me to sleep and I also was suggested to uae gravol to aid with sleeping. I have researched and I should have tried melatonin first before going into these meds so if the OP still needs the advice, I would try out Melatonin but of course speak to a gp first.
 
I've tried melatonin, doesn't do anything for me. I got a few samples of Silenor which is a tricyclic anti-depressant. It seems to work alright, but I get so drowsy in the morning and end up sleeping all day. Ehhh better than nothing I suppose. I did get a referral to a sleep clinic so after the really long wait is over I'll be able to see whats u[.
 
^How long is the wait for hun? I hope you don't have to wait for months :(. IME here in Canada I had to wait for a couple of months at least to see a specialist.

I am not sure if you have tried meditation, yoga or Acupuncture but if you haven't maybe some of these natural methods might be beneficial to your condition.

What I can also share with you IME is that when i started to practice Bikram Yoga, my sleep has gotten better and the anxiety has lessened.
 
The wait to the UBC sleep clinic is at least six months if not a year :(. It's so long I dunno what I'm supposed to do till then, my docs came to the conclusion that if what they already scripted me didn't work, then give me nothing. They couldn't increase the dose or something jeez, just gimmie nothing :( I told them I'm literally at my limit and I'm going to end up hurting myself and it fell on deaf ears.

I am signing up for some yoga classes, I've done it before and find it super relaxing so I hope that helps. I'm also gonna try going to the rec centre and use the sauna and whirl pool, as that really relaxes me.
 
I found this website that you may want to read into:

http://www.m.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/features/sleep-supplements-herbs

yeah I would definitely agree with the relaxation that sauna and yoga classes give to our bodies so try that and I hope it helps you with sleeping.

I am more into natural methods first as I am trying to avoid putting too much chemicals in my body, the mre natural solution I can come up to the better.
 
Heh I'm opposite to that, I go to the chemical solution first. It's how I've been dealing with my mental problems for the last 7-8 years. But this is really the only problem that a "chemical fix" isn't really working well so I think I will try some more natural options.
 
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