Benzos Deschloro-etizolam or Etizolam-2 - a new thienodiazepine research chemical

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http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/aboutADH/RulesRegs/ControlledSubstanceListSummary.pdf

and I agree deschloro is massively inferior for my research and I will not purchase it ever again.

 

[Bigazznugz]

Is ak the only state you know of that it is scheduled? Thanks afghan for the link my vendor will be glad to know that!!

 

[MagickalKat777]

Is ak the only state you know of that it is scheduled? Thanks afghan for the link my vendor will be glad to know that!!

Pretty sure Illinois is looking into scheduling it too.

Its going to happen all over. Its been marked as a date rape drug. That's a death sentence.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

^ I agree on the sedative qualities.

Hour or so after dosing a large coffee or V drink and I'm on top of the world. Without minor stimulants, I'm going home for a nap.

People, diss ahead, I like this compound, don't care what y'all think if you a hater.

I reiterate, it's a benzo, handy fucking tool, not something to chase a high with, the consequences are too dire.

Us benzos addicts can tell when something works or doesn't. Hell I can feel a couple 15mg clorazepate dipotassium (Tranxene) gelcaps, if I got anything from deschloroetizolam it was because I got exasperated 2 hours into it of feeling no relief and gobbled 12mg of flubromazepam...tada I felt great....sorry man. I think the dosages are all wrong for benzo tolerant people, hence the clorazepate analogy, 3mg and 7.5mg clorazepate pills will do nada, nothing to somebody tolerant to benzos, the 15mg gelcaps is where it's at...it might be a dosage thing. Anyways, flubromazolam is awesome in so many ways, it eclipses most benzos i have tried, legal or not, i guess it equals my favourite of them all Mogadons, (nitrazepam), powerful dreaming experiences and comfort just like this one that's so hard to get even though it is indeed legal and scriptable in my country, I got a bottle of 14 10mg nitraz once then my then doctor switched it for clonazepam and he caused me one hell of an addiction ordeal, the 14 nitrazepams were for massive anxiety before university exams.

Alright I've gone off course a bit now, don't mind me, i'm benz'd. :D

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I was on etizolam for two months. It's FAST ONSET made it addictive as hell and euphoric as fuck; I have been on 20mg nitrazepam/valium for the past 5 or 6 weeks or so to get off Etizolam after my latest source went down. I am no longer blacking out, consuming entire blister packs or having a detrimental impact on my social/productive life. These benzo'z like Klonopin/Nitrazepam/Valium are SO MUCH SAFER than Alprazolam/Etiz/Phenazepam. Yes the long Half-life sucks in a way, but it's so much EASIER to control dosage. I no longer get high from taking valium or nitrazepam, but the "worry some/troublesome thoughts" vanish; and thats enough for me.

and for the record, after taking over 300mg of Etizolam my nipples did get puffy, so much, that my friends/family noticed; and no it wasnt the munchies. Take care everyone and please DONT BUY PHENAZEPAM even if you use a scale, you will great;y regret it, after taking only .3 of a gram of phenazepam over the course of a few weeks, I threw away the rest..which was like a .7, and never looked back; that is the devil's benzo

They still sell phenazepam out there? I thought the scene had wised up to that one, it's also become illegal in a lot of countries. It's like I saw this vendor selling 5-meo-amt the other day, had a laugh mixed with hatred in it.

I would be able to deal with phenazepam though, I got a lab grade scale, and not something under 100 bucks.

Do you have any documentation for the scheduling in Arkansas I would be interested in that. And hope the hell is it a date rape drug? Shit is weak as fuck.

Yeah, Arkansas, home of Bill Clinton. Murder and cocaine trafficking is fine to help you become big shots in Arkansas, but don't you dare sell a downer! They're date-rape drugs! (at least he's not that much of a creep and prefers them flyin' on yayo too), that Slick Willy. He's thin and he's had almost as much heart surgery as Darth Cheney. I think his brother (well half-brother, since he's adopted, not things he brought up when seeking election in that bastion of inbredness that is Arkansas) once told the police when they were under 18 that he had a nose like a snowplow.

But don't you dare take GHB or Flunitrazepam or Etizolam(like seriously, wtf was that, I think America as a whole doesn't like to deal with Roche products, they're not corrupt enough I guess), those downers will get ya raped!

 

[Jesusgreen]

I see a lot of different dosage suggestions in this thread, but can anyone here give a direct comparison in dosage to Etizolam itself? It's all very well saying 6mg is good for you or 20mg is good for you or 2mg is good for you, but it helps a lot more if someone can tell what kind of tolerance level you have. If someone already made a comparison, sorry I must have missed it, but I'd be grateful to hear other peoples comparisons.

I know the highs themselves are different, but I'd like to hear from you guys what for you is a good dose of Etizolam, and what for you is a good dose of Deschloroetizolam.

I liked Etizolam, but I always found the rebound anxiety to be more severe than any other benzodiazepine-site binding substance I'd tried (i.e. z-drugs, benzos), along with withdrawals themselves, while the pleasurable effects were only medium on the benzodiazepine scale, beating many of the least recreational benzos, but not coming close to the best ones. As a result I much preferred to just buy myself some Diazepam or Midazolam most of the time. As a result when I first heard about Deschloroetizolam I wasn't too excited, but the limited amount I've read here and elsewhere about it seems to suggest it'd appeal to me more than Etizolam itself - I'd rather have a milder but longer lasting nice laid back benzo than the short-acting affair that is Etiz, so that's why I'm coming here curious.

May get my hands on some 12mg pellets of this soon to give it a try but wanted to get some more info first.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

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I don't believe anyone who feels 3mg pellets of this stuff. That's why vendors out there ditched the 3mg ones and only sell 6mg and now 12mg dosages of the stuff. It is very weak (as in potency), I would see the stuff sold as 15mg and 30mg pills like many Rx benzos out there and it would make much more sense.

I don't have an out of ordinary benzo tolerance, I take 20mg of valium a day and flubromazepam at 16-24mg (2-3 8mg pellets) will have me comfortable for 10 hours once it kicks in, great insomnia pill you can take an hour or two before actually going to bed, feeds less into the "must take pill right before sleep" habit many insomnia medication working like that and kind of making the problem worse. It is very weak compared to etizolam is all I can tell you, i don't know the ratio for it, I would say 2mg etizolam->24mg deschloro-etizolam. It's that weak. And no, I doubt it has anything to do with vendor, I've had powder deschloro-etizolam from Canada, not the usual UK sources and yep, with pure 99.8% powder of the stuff, I needed 20mg to feel *something*.

 

[Zerwas]

Sorry Oblivion but in my reality 24mg of Flubromazepam is a very high dose and I think you are underestimating your tolerance. I had the worst hangover of only 8mg Flubromazepam and will never take it again because of the ridiculous long half-life.

I got some 6mg (deschloro) pellets and one is definitely enough for me since I do not take Benzos every day but roughly about once a week. For example 2mg of Etizolam was a good dose for me back then but 24mg of deschloro-Etizolam would send me in an uncomfortable stupor or force me to sleep for a long time.

Just now 6mg are kicking in and it is very pleasant, I would compare it to ~1,5mg Etizolam.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I can feel 1mg of Ativan.
I can feel 30mg of Dalmane.
I can feel 15mg of clorazepate.

6mg of this shit, nothing.

 

[keeping]

I typed out quite an extensive trip report, but then my laptop ran out of battery and I lost it.
Basically I took around 42mgs in 3mg pills spaced over around three hours, and there were no describable effects aside from very mild anxiolytic, which could very well be down to placebo, and a little drowsiness.
Do yourself a favor a steer clear; luckily I was given these for free with another order.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Etizolam legislation is coming, its already illegal in a few states like Arkansas and with the fact its caught media attention as a "date rape" drug, it will definitely be scheduled sooner rather than later.

I think what he meant is scheduled as in RX'able like Etizolam is in many countries. Not that it means shit. Flubromazepam isn't prescribed in any country neither is Clonazolam, which is just sweet, I'd give up my current rx's for clonazolam if possible. (valium 10mg twice a day, 15 xanax 1mg prn once a month)

 

[Soulfake]

I've had the most experience with etizolam which is my favorite next to temazepam & alprazoalm but in a way better than xanax since it give me the onset of xanax with 80% valium and 20% temazepam effets, though different in that it makes me social, outgoing and energetic...and drumroll, without the memory loss of all benzos, phenazepam included.

That´s what I loved about Etizolam too! Total relaxation without too strong hypnotic effects and an absolutely amazing boost in creative energy with an very euphoric mindset. It would be so great if anything like that would come to the market again, you can´t imagine how I miss that stuff..and I had nearly every Benzo even the most hyped ones like Flunitrazepam/Rohypnol and all are just boring and have no soul in contrast to Etiz.

 

[Euphorogenesis]

^^ Skeio, it does not make sense esp if one isn't well versed in basic chemistry nor are the majority of users.

I am familiar with absolutley any benzo that you can think of...unfortunatley I haven't tried triazolam but everything else (midazolam, etc) as I live in Canada its very rare we see triazolam and they're damn expensive when they are around.

If you may please describe the difference in terms of effects that would be so much more useful what I mean is comparisons of such aspects as: onest, duration, similarity to any benzo?

This benzo is offered by someone who also offers etizolam and mg per mg this one is priced much higher.

Please explain what you mean by this is the alprazolam to etizolam????!! Both these have a very quick onset, is that what you mean?

Lol, just look at the pictures of the molecular structures for fuck's sake. My chemistry sucks but even i can see the logic of the analogy.

 

[Soulfake]

An analogue of Brotizolam would be really great, it has the same structure as Etizolam just with the ethyl-unit switched to bromine:

Left: Brotizolam
Middle: Etizolam
Right: Deschloro-Etizolam

So maybe putting that bromine on the place of the ethyl-chain from deschloro-etizolam could make it faster acting (like brotizolam) and would compensate the loss of the chlorine unit at the phenyl-ring which seems to make the deschloro having such a long onset and no "rush" like Etizolam. (thats just my layman chemistry, haven´t read into benzodiazepine analogues much yet)

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

They could just sell Brotizolam. It's not like Etizolam isn't a Rx in many countries already. Probably more available than Brotizolam that way, even. I told some vendors they should think about it, especially those who will only sell Etizolam and no rc benzos because well, etizolam isn't technically a benzo, like brotizolam isn't, either.

 

[keeping]

They could just sell Brotizolam. It's not like Etizolam isn't a Rx in many countries already. Probably more available than Brotizolam that way, even. I told some vendors they should think about it, especially those who will only sell Etizolam and no rc benzos because well, etizolam isn't technically a benzo, like brotizolam isn't, either.

ha, and all us users can refer to each other as bros

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Heh, people said the same when I had a script for bromazepam 6mg greenies. "Share the chill, bro!"

 

[BuzzCandy]

Hello, I'm new here but not to the world of RC's.

Recently purchased 25 3mg deschloro's (figured I better start on the lower doses seeing as, y'know, who the fuck knows how strong/potent they are) as well as 10 .5mg FlubromazeLAM out of curiosity. The pills were blue which led me to suspect its a vendor trying to ship off as much surplus etiz under a different name, now that it's being clamped down on and all that. However, I find the effects to be like a stronger diclazepam hit but with more emphasis on muscle-relaxant properties and anti-anxiety than the straight up hypnotic sedation with normal etiz that can floor you/cause blackout in high doses. I've gradually reached 12mg over the past few hours and have felt slowly more relaxed as the night passes. I should note; prior to taking these I had taken a few 3-fpm bombs and a few beers with my bandmates for our first show- literally the best idea but it might explain the weaker effect of the deschlo. That said the effect is so far pleasant, not too forceful in it's uptake and leaves you with the capacity to function and interact like a normal person. Considering Etiz is pretty much gone now (which is just as well, doesn't take long for it to slowly ruin your life and your relationships with loved ones because you just get so selfish without the inhibitions that determine if you're a decent person or not) I would consider purchasing this again as diclazepam tends to just zombie me these days without the anti-anxiety effect it used to yield. I will perhaps obtain my next batch from my usual vendor as they're currently waiting on receiving it(making me more dubious about those who claim to stock it), they claim all RC's are 99% pure and I've never received a dud batch so I will wait until next time.

Overall: Decent, even if it's not pure deschloro or whatever it still neutralised the 3-fpm edge I had lingering from earlier and eased me gently into a state of peaceful relaxation- much needed after beating the shit out of a drumkit and all that socialising. My advice is to be dubious of vendors who claim to sell it, if you have a vendor who hasn't done you wrong and they dont have any, just wait. Alternatively take the risk, you may get lucky. Also due to the questionable potency of everyone's samples don't chug 12mg in one go. Start with 3mg , there's a reason they have the dose so low because they want to avoid another phenazepam debacle, better to sell it to us in weaker doses than a heavy potentially lethal dose of mystery benzo. It may be less potent than good ol' Eti but think of the unknowns it may be doing to the rest of your body, I say this purely because of the post reporting blepharospasms so early on (though long term benzo use can cause that anyway it's still worth bearing in mind)

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Etiz is alive and well this side of the pond, but we never really had it in pills, brand name or pellets...

I'm glad you get something out of this, although I kinda did, when I had 4 of the 6mg pink ones....which is not normal. To me these pellets are very badly dosed for such different responses in non benzo naive people. The only perfectly dosed pellets I've had were the 8mg green flubromazepams and before that, the 4mg beige flubromazepams.

I'd try flubromazolam but it seems these euro sites almost all have issues accepting prepaid credit cards...so eff em, I'll be happy with my own script, some clonazolam and powder etizolam straight from my own country.

 

[uyillusion]

Ok so I have benzo experience with: Aprazolam (2mg max dose), Clonazapam (4mg max), Etizolam (2mg max).

I tried Deschloro-etizolam yesterday and at 6mg it feels great, 6mg feels like 1.5mg of etizolam. It was making me feel a little tired around the 2 hour point but not enough to knock me out, 2mg Etizolam has knocked me out where 1mg was perfect. Definitely a long half life, no rush to speak of. A very useful benzo to have around for anyone that may get anxiety, if you want something to knock yourself out then one of the other benzo RCs would be more appropriate, I have heard that Flubromazolam is very potent and a strong hypnotic.

For anxiety I would rank them

1. Deschloro-etizolam
2. Etizolam
3. Alprazolam
4. Clonazapam.