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Harm Reduction The Pain Management Megathread (Chronic and Acute Pain Discussion) Version 5.0 ~ V

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Hi everyone.. I havent posted on here for quite a while. Nice to see new faces and hear new stories. Xtcgirl....ive been following your story and while iı can really think of any constructive advice, you sound like a really nice person and my heart goes out to you.
As for me im still suffering more that I can handle. My pain is all consuming, some days 500mg of methadone and 1500mg Pregabalin dont even help. My depression is worse than ever with 60mg of fluoxatine having no effect. Im 100% alone with not a single member of family and noone to turn to. Im in extreme financial difficulty even though I have a fairly good job. I often wonder if ending it all is the answer. I know for certain that I wouldnt be missed.
Take care everyone......lots of love G x
 
Best mattresses for severe, chronic back pain? Currently relying on tylenol and the occasional shot of dope to kill the pain and looking to alternatives. The recliner I've lived in the past 3 years is finally dying and is making my back worse everyday.

Current dx's: DDD, Hyperkyphosis, Lordosis, Lumbar Stenosis at L4-L5 center and right, Sciatica, Bulging discs at T10-11, L2-3, L3-4, L5-S1, and Ruptured disc at L4-5.
I think my L3-4 is also starting to experience Stenosis to the left based on how it feels - will have to update MRI for confirmation.
 
diff roa for my rx

Is it ilegal to use my rx with a diff roa, like instead.of taking it by mouth, i plugged or iv it?
 
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I know this question has been asked before but I felt it proper to get the experience of fellow cpp's. Marijuana is about to become legal in my area. I have been in PM for years and opioid therapy has its advantages and drawbacks as we all know. Past clinics I have been to always booted people for cannabanoids in their UAs. I have not used the stuff in many years and never for pain. I have DDD, advanced facet arthrosis, moderate stenosis at the L4, L5 region and new, constant pain that has developed over the past three years but my doc just uses medication therapy and has never ordered an MRI so I do not know how much worse the picture is than my previous MRI 6 years ago. My problems are not going to improve and that was a fact provided by my first PM specialist.

My question is- Should I even ask about MJ treatment in lieu of opioids or as an adjunct to opioids? I doubt it would be any better than the relief I get from the meds but it would come with far less baggage and the WD's are almost non existent in comparison. I just do not want to frighten or create concern my doc. I have no idea what the clinic stance is on MJ. I highly doubt they provide green cards.

They are addiction specialists and I have always been fine with the UA's. I just do not want to create concern with a clinic that has been so good in the past and can provide trigger injections that are miracles for me when I have bad flare ups. I suppose it doesn't hurt to ask casually but, as I said, I am afraid of overstepping.
 
I feel like a piece of shit taking oxy for moderate pain for so long. I now have completely wrecked my right shoulder requiring surgery this week. I left hospital but I don't think I can manage pain with jus oxy Contin even when I chew it. Never though t I'd say this but what I width give for some app or better yet ibuprofen. I can't wait to go back to hospital where I have a nurse button next to my hairline broken left arm very manageable. Right is another story. Fuck pain. I've been too honest with docs now it's effecting my self esteem.

Bungee sorry for being a dick in another thread I forgot who u were. Easy to be arrogant then with no pain.
 
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No worries mate.lol
Sorry to hear your in pain man, i get majority of my pain in my neck, shoulders and upper back so i can sympathize completely.

Cant you get paracetamol or ibuprofen OTC where you are? its cheap as hell where i live.
Paracetamol is massively under-rated by alot of people who use strong opioids but used correctly it really makes a difference.

Hope you feel better soon.
 
Thanks man. Not too soon sux. Apparently very bad breaks I have my first op on right to modify. Gonna be in hospital for 2 weeks. I'll probably post from phone left hand in there. Will see.

Hi everyone.. I havent posted on here for quite a while. Nice to see new faces and hear new stories. Xtcgirl....ive been following your story and while iı can really think of any constructive advice, you sound like a really nice person and my heart goes out to you.
As for me im still suffering more that I can handle. My pain is all consuming, some days 500mg of methadone and 1500mg Pregabalin dont even help. My depression is worse than ever with 60mg of fluoxatine having no effect. Im 100% alone with not a single member of family and noone to turn to. Im in extreme financial difficulty even though I have a fairly good job. I often wonder if ending it all is the answer. I know for certain that I wouldnt be missed.
Take care everyone......lots of love G x

Hang on dude. Some shit takes fk in ages to pass but in my experience, it does.

I'm having extreme physical pain but would in finely prefer to emo pain which I have now too after being ripped off my high else anti depressants.
 
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I have had migraines since age 8 (after reviewing my early childhood charts pediatrician actually thinks I've had them since infancy -migraines run on maternal & paternal sides) I am now 40. I actually went to a headache clinic in Omaha, NE & saw the Dr. that helped develop Imitrex. I was so excited to get a migraine so I could use the Imitrex Injection. Weird I know - that I wanted a migraine....lol Anyway - back home few weeks later & was instructed to primary Doc & use the med. Well..........injected it & felt like pressure in head & throat started to close the next thing I know I was rushed to ER from docs office because I had a severe reaction to it. So they just continued to prescribe Percocets by the bucketfull. I only filled script once or twice because It really didn't help.

So I guess my round about question is ....have you tried any of the triptans that are out now specifically for migraines? There is generic Imitrex (new formulation of their old pill which I can take), Zomig (tablets, sublingual & nasal spray), Maxalt (tablets & sublingual), Frova & Sumavel Dos-Pro air injection (no needle it is shot into skin using blast of pressured air). There may be a few more I haven't listed.
I learned from a neurologist few yrs ago about different triggers & pro- domes (like blind spots, seeing floaters in eyes, a dull to sharp pain in 1 shoulder blade up through your neck is a pro dome, getting bitchier or can't think or talk straight, cravings like chocolate, salt, or excessive thirst, oh & a burst of energy you can't wind down.)can all be prodomes . Also - how you take your medicine to abort the migraine is important. You should take anti-nausea meds 1st (Zofran or phenegren, etc.) then follow up with your migraine specific meds. When you are nauseated the medicine for migraine won't absorb or work to it's full potential.

I feel for you & if you haven't tried one of the triptans for your migraines you might want to ask your Dr. about them. I take a phenegren then wait like 30min then take a Lortab & generic Imitrex or Zomig.

I am super sensitive to meds & have tried several abortive or prophylactic meds & the side effects were awful. Either made migraines worse or the side effects were so bad that having a migraine would've been better. I also have several triggers; heredity, food allergies, reaction to stress, disrupted sleep patterns, weather (yes the weather not every front but a lot of drastic weather/barometric changes) & certain lighting (strobe lights or flickering lights, can't watch a movie in a theater), oh & smells like perfume or heavy cleaning solutions. I am kind of a nightmare of a patient. lol

I hope I haven't aggravated you with my migraine reply especially if your Dr or other Dr's have told you the same thing. I get 2-3 migraines a week. Some are individual migraines that I abort & some last 2-3 days. I wouldn't wish them on my ex husband & if someone told me I would be cured by standing naked on a highway I would do it. Trust me though no one wants to see that....lol I don't get online very often (too much computer =migraine) but hope I was maybe of some assistance. Take Care

Tawnie
Migraines - almost all of life
Lupus
Fibromyalgia
Deep Vein Thrombosis -DVT
 
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Does anyone have any info on some non-addictive muscle relaxers that are worth trying? I suffer terrible muscle rigidity everyday but do not want to cave in just yet and restart a long lost gabaergic addiction. I already take 4800mg gabapentin daily but it does not help at all. Also tried chlorzoxazone to no avail. Am I doomed to go back to using gabaergics or does anyone have some other options that have worked?
 
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i suffer with alot of muscle spasms as well and ive found pregabalin to be better then gabapentin for spasm, yes its addictive but since your already on gabapentin....

My other suggestion is mirtazapine. Its an off-label use, i know but its very effective (mirtazapine is being looked at as a treatment in movement disorders, so maybe its that action that helps) and if you add in an opiate/oid ( i use DHC) it can be really effective.

If you dont mind me asking, what is the cause of your muscle spasms?
 
Yeah I'm starting to suffer with major lower back pains and muscle spams in back and other regions of my body (chest, upper arms, legs). I might go see the p-doc about that shit, because without valiums + my MMT dose + gabapentin + weed, my back aches and the spasms huirt as well and keep/wake me up at night. They are deteriorating my quality of life. I'm 21 (about to be 22) and ulcers are forming in my gut because of the stress from anxiety and physical pain. I am almost certain something is off with my lower back, sholders, and spine; like something is off.

It seems like only with 15-30mg diazepam + my 70mg MMT dose does my back pain and muscle spasms finally stop. Pregabalin would be much preferred to my gabapentin script.

Yeah I'm starting to suffer with major lower back pains and muscle spams in back and other regions of my body (chest, upper arms, legs). I might go see the p-doc about that shit, because without valiums + my MMT dose + gabapentin + weed, my back aches and the spasms huirt as well and keep/wake me up at night. They are deteriorating my quality of life. I'm 21 (about to be 22) and ulcers are forming in my gut because of the stress from anxiety and physical pain. I am almost certain something is off with my lower back, sholders, and spine; like something is off.

It seems like only with 15-30mg diazepam + my 70mg MMT dose does my back pain and muscle spasms finally stop. Pregabalin would be much preferred to my gabapentin script.

Toz said:
Does anyone have any info on some non-addictive muscle relaxers that are worth trying? I suffer terrible muscle rigidity everyday but do not want to cave in just yet and restart a long lost gabaergic addiction. I already take 4800mg gabapentin daily but it does not help at all. Also tried chlorzoxazone to no avail. Am I doomed to go back to using gabaergics or does anyone have some other options that have worked?

Bump that question Toz asked above.
 
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Hi everyone.. I havent posted on here for quite a while. Nice to see new faces and hear new stories. Xtcgirl....ive been following your story and while iı can really think of any constructive advice, you sound like a really nice person and my heart goes out to you.
As for me im still suffering more that I can handle. My pain is all consuming, some days 500mg of methadone and 1500mg Pregabalin dont even help. My depression is worse than ever with 60mg of fluoxatine having no effect. Im 100% alone with not a single member of family and noone to turn to. Im in extreme financial difficulty even though I have a fairly good job. I often wonder if ending it all is the answer. I know for certain that I wouldnt be missed.
Take care everyone......lots of love G x

Take it from me: I sometimes feel the same way..I have such a fucked up family life and I don't even live with them...my whole family is stuck-up snobs who talk behind my back cause I am on pills...never fucking mind they are for legitimate pain!!! I always think of ending it, but don't for the simple fact I know at my funeral they would all talk about how they saw this coming for years....fuck that and fuck them! PLease don't think about ending it, because things have to eventually get better...at least that is what is keeping me hanging on!!
 
I was crying tonight from the pain and from the indignity of being a CPP. I was stuck in an impossible position, because I had to wait for my existing prescription to run out (the soonest pharmacies will fill is 28 days after your refill is filled) but the script that my old PM doctor wrote, it expired 3 days before the 28th day after my old script was up. So I went from pharmacy to pharmacy, carrying my baby son in my arms (he weighs 22 lbs!) and I walked a total of TWO MILES trying to find a pharmacy that would fill my script, and at the last pharmacy I broke down crying and sat on the floor. At THIS pharmacy, the pharmacist was very nice and told me he would LOVE to fill the prescription, he really would, but he couldn't because it was expired. I kept blubbering about how I was treated at the other pharmacies, how they treated me like dirt under their shoe, and how I was in pain and I did not know what to do now. He suggested I go to the ER. And then I was completely lost and I couldn't find my car and I sat on the steps of a restaurant sobbing and texting my husband to come get me. They were nice enough to let me sit inside the restaurant to wait because it was getting cold out (it was daylight when I left and my baby didn't need a jacket but it was nighttime now and getting colder.) So my husband came and got me and I have no sense of direction so it was SO DIFFICULT to find my car but we finally found it and my husband asked if I was ok to drive home because at that point the pain was almost paralyzing...now I had pain in my arms from carrying him for so long (I can't let him walk, he tries to run off and there are busy streets, even holding his hand he's evaded me a few times and given me heart attacks.) and pain in my legs from walking so long and EXCRUCIATING back pain but I had no choice, I had to drive, so I followed my husband's car and we got home safe. And today I've been in SO MUCH AGONY it's unbelievable. And I was expected to clean this bedroom and the bathroom because people are arriving to see the house (we're selling the house to get the money to buy the new 2-family house in Belle Harbor. ONE BLOCK FROM THE BEACH!!! I really, REALLY hope we get this house. Not only because of PRIVACY and finally being able to parent without my in-laws looking on (at least not too much; we're upstairs and they're downstairs. It's two separate homes, just in one house.)

So. I have no medicine. I am going to order some either online or through a trusted email source and ALWAYS keep some as backup because you CAN'T TRUST DOCTORS and it's better than dealing with those shit pharmacists. I'm still going to go to pain management (I have an appointment May 6 at a new place, it looks really nice, they have holistic stuff and a physical therapy place right in the same place! And everything is shiny and new and modern! It looks like a really good place to go, my old place was so run-down.) But I've learned my lesson. NO ONE IS GOING TO LOOK AFTER YOU EXCEPT YOU. I'm not going to let my in-laws bully me anymore (I say that NOW, but when confronted with them....different story. They are SO intimidating.)

So. I'm going to go to this "second opinion" guy but when we go I'm going to ask to talk to the doctor for a few minutes alone. My FIL is going to raise hell about that but so what. Then maybe they'll see what he's like. I'll get my few minutes because *I* am the patient, not him. Then when I talk to him privately, I'll lay my cards on the table. I'll tell him that I used to be addicted to Xanax, then I had postpartum depression and started to abuse the medication and I did everything a typical addict would do. But I'll explain it was a really bad time in my life and I've made some mistakes but just because I ran rampant for a year after my daughter's birth, that DOES NOT mean that I should suffer in pain. And I'll tell him that my family doesn't understand how much pain I'm in, because I've taken steps to try to improve my pain, such as taking herbal supplements (I'm not going to name any) and using heat and ice and a back massager and resting as often as possible. And I try not to complain because who wants to hear all the time "oh, I'm in so much pain, poor me, etc" In fact I say virtually nothing to them about it unless they ask. and then when they ask me how I feel, I say, "I feel like shit." and they're like "oh" and move on. And I'm going to warn him that my FIL is going to drag me through the mud, pull out every bad thing I've ever done while addicted and use it as ammo to convince the doctor I should not be on oxy. And I'll tell the doctor that I, too, am scared of taking the medicine and I make my husband hide it from me and give it to me as prescribed. And that I'm scared that taking the medicine is going to lead me down the wrong path again but unfortunately if I don't take SOMETHING, some kind of STRONG medication, I can't be a fully functional mom. And that would break my heart. I'm going to tell him that my FIL doesn't know that I filled my prescription from last month for oxy, and my husband paid for it, and this is the only reason I'm functional now. Then we'll let my FIL in and he can rage and storm all he likes but I will have already said what I wanted to say. Because my FIL won't let me get a word in edgewise otherwise.

What do you guys think? I have my new MRI tomorrow and it'll probably show that I destroyed the fuck out of a perfectly good surgery. But I can't win with my family. I was crying the other day because my husband said that he's angry I'm not picking the kids up from school. In the same breath, he said he's angry that I do things that hurt my back. Well, DRIVING HURTS MY BACK. I pointed it out to him, that he can't have it both ways. He's angry because I'm not fully functional, but he's also angry that I'm not taking good care of myself. WTF?!?!? Which do you want?? WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?? I don't want him to be angry with me but it seems that I can't do ANYTHING right. If I push myself and do all the things that he wants me to do but that further injure and hurt my back, he's mad because I'm not taking care of myself. And then if I take care of myself and say "no, I can't do this or that" he's angry at me for that!!!!!!! I'm just so upset about this and I'M THE ONE IN PAIN HERE YOU DICKHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

Hubby suggested that I might have more leg room and be in a more comfortable position for my back at the computer if I removed some of the boxes from under my desk. So I did that, and it does help. But when I told my MIL about the more leg room she was like "WHY ARE YOU LIFTING BOXES?! YOU HAVE A BACK PROBLEM!"

The fucked up thing is, when hubby suggested it, he didn't offer to help do it. And I did it myself because I've learned (the hard way) that my husband doesn't expect other people to do things for him and he expects the same in return from other people around him. He doesn't help people; he thinks that one should be self-sufficient. So I've learned to do everything myself, keeping my own records, making my own phone calls, etc. If something needs to be moved, I'll move it myself. If I ask my husband to do it for me, it'll still be sitting there in a week. He's passive-aggressive that way...this is his way of saying, "IF YOU WANT IT DONE, DO IT YOURSELF, DUMBASS!!!!" So that's one reason why my back is so bad, I'm used to fending for myself. I've taken care of my baby son SO EXCLUSIVELY that I'm virtually the only person he wants when he wakes up in the morning. (The only other person who he likes better than me is my mom, and I REALLY think that's because her voice was the first he heard once they had him out of me and wrapped up to be weighed and measured. She was cooing at him, keeping him calm, and I think that bond really stuck and I'm so happy about that :) I love my mom, she's the greatest!

Ok, enough book writing, good night everyone! Love to all your Bluelighters!! :)
 
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Does anyone have any info on some non-addictive muscle relaxers that are worth trying? I suffer terrible muscle rigidity everyday but do not want to cave in just yet and restart a long lost gabaergic addiction. I already take 4800mg gabapentin daily but it does not help at all. Also tried chlorzoxazone to no avail. Am I doomed to go back to using gabaergics or does anyone have some other options that have worked?

Dantrolene sodium!
 
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pretty certain that falls under 'sourcing' and is against the BLUA.
Might be an idea to go back and give it another read.lol
 
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Dunno what to do. In so much pain. Suicide hasn't worked the past 11 times I've tried it. Doctors have ripped me off of meds because of suicide attempts (and these were all due to nigh no relief from what I was receiving. Now I'm shooting meth whenever I can get it, because it helps the pain the best - even better than heroin when shooting a super super thick 35-40 units after being drawn up. Veins have gone to shit. Left AC went out of commission from donating blood years ago, before IV use. Right AC is currently out of business if not permanently. Hands are so hard to hit, I often miss a lot of the shot. No clue what to do. Just want to cry, but don't even have the energy to do so. Head is pounding, back is screaming, miss in my hand burning like a motherfucker, PAWS from massive benzo habit has me on an emotional roller coaster, exhausted but couldn't sleep even if I wasn't on meth, teeth sore from clenching down. FML
 
Jktm, suicide is not the answer. Here's a few things you can try. Use Benadryl to help you sleep, and if you have any muscle relaxants, take some. Get some good sleep. When you wake up, make a nutritious meal. Doesn't matter what time of day it is - some eggs and bacon and toast will do your body good. STOP the meth. It's not helping. I know you're an ex-benzo addict, so am I, but look up etizolam. I find that it's not recreational for me at all and therefore I have no desire to abuse it. I simply take it as needed for my anxiety. I bet that you will have success with it too...if you take too much, you just fall asleep. DON'T take it and then drive! You might fall asleep at the wheel!

As for the pain, there are places online where you can buy painkillers. They will cost you an arm and a leg but not always. I get my Tramadol so cheap that it's a laugh. Even if you're broke, take the money you've been spending on meth, save it up, and BUY SOME PAINKILLERS. There ARE trustworthy sites out there. I recommend you join a forum called pharmacy reviewer just to make sure you don't get ripped off by a bogus site. Doctors are untrustworthy. They don't seem to care when we're in pain. You have to fend for yourself. I am broke-er than broke, but I save my pennies and I get my painkillers off the internet because I am NEVER going to go through WD again because some stupid fucking doctor wrote the script wrong or the pharmacies all mysteriously "don't have it in stock" which really means they think you're a drug addict looking for a fix and they won't give you the meds. I've learned that pharmacies are untrustworthy, DOCTORS are untrustworthy, nobody else out there will take care of you but YOU. So get some sleep, eat something, stop the meth, buy the painkillers. That's my recommendation. Oh and while you're waiting for the pills to arrive in the mail, try to stay away from the meth, keep up the sleeping and eating right and you will feel better. Watch some mindless TV to take your mind off the pain. NO SUICIDE. Hear me? :)
 
Wasn't planning on another attempt. Just felt like ass yesterday and needed to vent. Sorry it was y'all. Can't exactly vent around my parents. Thanks for the input. Benadryl won't work for my sleep. I was Rx'ed 4mg of Estazolam for a while (about equivalent to 2.67mg Alprazolam) for insomnia and got about 5 hours of sleep on that. Was also Rx'ed 6mg of Alprazolam for Panic Disorder throughout the day, so I was taking nearly an equivalent of 90mg of diazepam daily.

As for pain meds, there's nothing strong enough out there. I've gone to the ER before and they've asked me if I wanted Morphine Sulfate or Dilaudid at max dose for non-trauma (I went with the M because it lasts longer), but either option (8mg MS or 2mg HydroM) brings me down to a 6.5 from a 7.5.

I'm not using the meth daily or even semi-regularly. I'll spend 20 bucks or so, here and there for a shot (I get my stuff pretty cheap). I was supposed to have a Transforaminal Lumbar Intervertabral Fusion (TLIF) from L3-L5, but I fucked that up. Attempted suicide while waiting on the surgery while trying to get by on 30mg of hydrocodone and 8mg tizanidine daily when I was Rx'ed 60mg of oxycodone and 60mg of hydrocodone concurrently following Wisdom Teeth Extraction. (My Dx's @ current age of 22: DDD, Hyperkyphosis, Lumbar Stenosis (Moderate-Severe, center and right at L4-5, and possibly at L3-4 now), Lordosis, Sciatica, Ruptured Disc at L4-5, Bulging Discs at; T10-11, L2-3, L3-4 (I feel this one might have progressed a bit), L5-S1. I have severe, legitimate problems, so it's not like I'm a COMPLETE cry-baby pussy. I was just coming down hard yesterday morning and was feeling depressed before. Sorry for the rant yesterday.
 
Living in the uk I find it fascinating tbat while doctors in the States are a lot more reticent to prescribe narcotic pain meds in general, dentists on the other hand seem to prescribe far more freely than they do over here. For example I have had all 4 wisdom teeth extracted including one where the tooth broke and he had to inscise down in to the gum with a scalpel in order to get a grip onto the root to pull the toorh. All this was done with a simple novacaine local anaesthetic and I was given only paracetamol to take home.. It is unheard of for dentists to prescribe things like oxycodone for dental pain/extraction in the uk.......strange

Hang in there Jktn......things always seem worse than they are and we all have bad days. I sincerely hope things improve for you...just hang in there mate :)
 
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