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    Well hit the emergency room for a friendly visit today. Been a good 15 years figured I needed a good reminder I guess?

    Considering I was losing consciousness here and there an generally feeling dizzy an faint and getting chest and kidney pains, I figured it was time.

    Only drugs I did any large amounts of recently were MXE and "bath salts" of the "cocaine simulating" type.

    I was on both those drugs on and off for 6 months. binging here and there and then a week or two break and then right back on it a week or two and so on for 6 months.

    Trying to get exercise in between and stay hydrated and all that.

    Finally caught up with me.

    Kept feeling like I was about to die for the last four days and lots of dizziness. Haven't even done any drugs five days or so. So I drive myself down to the ER and I write "Chest pains, losing consciousness" on the ticket and slip it in the window. Not more than 10 seconds go by and they call me back and get me half naked and slap me in a gurney, wire up an IV and an EKG and a whatever the heck all those things do. Stuck some tubes in my nose for oxygen and I just laid back and felt happy that if I was gonna die, at least it was in the hands of good care.

    they took blood and urine samples and shot me up with Adavan or Atavan or something. 10 minutes later my entire body stops shivering, stops fainting and I have feeling like I was stoned now. Wtf. They treated me with anxiety medication for a drug overdose when I kept feeling death trying to pull me away. Somehow, it seems to have worked, and they gave me 8 more in case I get the feeling again. (It had been recurring for a few days and I finally had enough and went in).

    Then they fed two huge bags of freezing cold water into my IV which made my whole body cold the whole time. My heart rate began to stabilize and they looked at my pee and blood and came back to talk about it.
    I kept thinking I was having heart attacks or something.
    They seem to say it's a kidney problem. It's called "Renel insufficiency".
    In other words, I have stage 3 Chronic kidney disease.
    This is why I have been feeling faint and feeling like I'm going to die all the time lately.

    They said it could be from the MXE and Bath salts, and I need to wait a while without doing any drugs to find out if it goes away. If not, I straight up have stage 3 kidney disease and will have to pursue treatments.

    So yeah folks..
    6-8 months of on off MXE and whatever the stuff they sell at the smoke shops that works exactly like cocaine and you're gonna fuck your kidneys like I did.
    bummer!

    I've got my fingers crossed it goes away. If not, I need to learn to fight off Kidney Disease.

    They have scheduled a shitload of appointments for me to have my stuff checked out.
    I'll keep you mobs updated!

    No more funny drugs for me. Dammit. I'll stick to smoking trees from now on. It's legal too.

    Guinea pig EWO, Over and out. (of the hospital)
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    Oh man, oh man, oh man-- keep your pecker up, my friend!
    I'll keep my fingers crossed for you; and if I can pull and strings in the the other worlds; you know I'll do my best!

    I hope it's nothing more than short term toxicity. Relax, take it easy, and use the time well!
    I don't know what to say but I wanted to say something! God bless -- love and light, always.
    Nothing is more important than your health; and it seems you're being well looked after-- Think positive, my friend!
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    Stay up dude. I hope it's not disease. I've been getting sober myself recently, and it seems to be changing a lot.. Seems like drugs really do alter your life (who'd have thunk, righ?).. Anyway, much love from your buddy. You can always PM me if you don't wanna talk loudly, and if I can do anything (over the internet? Ha lol) I will.
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    Time to go back to fishing stoned off my ass for a while.
    I used to grow some fair danks and catch big fish.

    Kinda scary shit to be honest, I was blacking out on my way in to the ER and hadn't even done any drugs in 4-5 days.. thought I was a goner.

    Oh lordy i had some sexy nurses. I'm sure they played a part in my revival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye_wide_open View Post
    Oh lordy i had some sexy nurses. I'm sure they played a part in my revival.
    As I said-- Keep your pecker up!

    Time will pass-- what will be will be-- things like this make us appreciate what we have (I'm trying to find positives!)
    Take care, man!
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    Ya I'll wait a few years and see if there's any deemster root around.

    Seems like the unnatural are harsh on me. If I ever come back to psychs (probably will, but not for at least a solid full year)... it will be coming back to the naturals. Shrooms, Deems and I'll always burn the ganj.

    That powdery stuff of any form always seems to get to me. Manufactured madness.
    I'd be a complete douche to lay my fingers near any powders for a loooooong time.

    Sitting around feeling like your gonna die for four days is pretty much the worst feeling you can have.. can't really explain how it felt. I was trying to brush it off but finally couldn't and it wasn't improving so I went in.
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    Sometimes a good long break gives you time to discover other things-- Books, philosophy, art-- women, even!
    Yin/yang -- If you got all this shit on your plate: Just think how much yin you've been having; to get such a crappy yang!
    Somehow I can only agree with you on the DMT-- and weed! All roads lead to Rome-- just travel there safely!
    (Or get working on that book, dude )
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    Yeah I'm actually moving right now. Once I'm settled back in, I'll be finishing the book.
    I have a few pages done now. I've erased and thrown it out a few times too. I think I'm losing stuff here an there.

    Once of these days.
    You are left behind by what you wrote and made up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye_wide_open View Post
    You are left behind by what you wrote and made up.
    Too true-- make it good, then!
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    For those who don't like to believe what I say is real... (cause we all know plenty of them folk around here!)
    Here's a date stamped document from my doctor showing the test that shows I possibly have Kidney Disease.

    If you look here on wikipedia about kidney disease..

    Often, chronic kidney disease is diagnosed as a result of screening of people known to be at risk of kidney problems
    Chronic kidney disease is identified by a blood test for creatinine. Higher levels of creatinine indicate a lower glomerular filtration rate and as a result a decreased capability of the kidneys to excrete waste products. Creatinine levels may be normal in the early stages of CKD, and the condition is discovered if urinalysis (testing of a urine sample) shows that the kidney is allowing the loss of protein or red blood cells into the urine.
    OK,
    now let's have a look at my BLOOD test results from today.
    You clearly see my creatinine running high as marked on the test and I underlined it. The reference high is on the right.
    I'm .3 above it.

    they further equate some other thing.. I think it's this
    glomerular filtration rate
    noted as GFR on the sheet and they compare it to the numbers on the 5 slot list below.
    I'm 3rd on the list, or smack dab in the middle of stage 3 chronic kidney disease.


    I don't think the severity of this has actually hit me just yet. The dying part was pretty scary but now I have to go through the bullshit part.
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    I just got a leaflet in the mail from my local health center saying they were doing full health checks on people my age (between 45 and 55) and I should consider going.

    My response... fuck doctors, think of all the things they find wrong with me ! it's a slippery slope with those bastards.

    Good to hear your OK E_W_O sounds like you had a mad adventure bro.
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    Hey man, I know we've had our disagreements on this forum, but I wanted to put that aside and say that I feel for you and I wish you a speedy recovery. I have kidney problems too and have had a biopsy and endless rounds of renal appointments (yet another one next week) so I know how much it sucks. My mum's a diabetes specialist nurse and deals with lots of people who successfully manage their kidney conditions without it unduly affecting their lives, so it's not the end of the world. But anyway, I hope it won't come to that for you and you make a full recovery.

    All the best mate.
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    Thanks guys much appreciated.

    That means quite a bit Lastest. you show some maturity being able to lay down your weapons.
    That's something I can respect you for.

    I feel fine so far today. But I have to call a specialist and go hear the full story about what's wrong with me.
    These are just preliminary Emergency Room results so far..
    I'll keep you guys updated. Hopefully I can just set up an exercise plan and eat some healthy stuff for a while and fix this one. Otherwise I'll need dialysis treatments etc..

    This whole thing is no one's fault but my own, so I'm not blaming anyone.
    Maybe just lighten up on using the powdery stuff guys. Don't indulge too much like I did..
    Usually when things are too good to be true... they really are.
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    Best wishes for harmonious recovery brother,
    I will keep you in my prayers :-)
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    awww Eyes, bummer dude...

    I know it looks worrying but it always does after a scare like this. Be positive. You aint gonna die buddy, not for a few fucking decades anyway! Look after yourself, eat well, try to excercise regularly, I'm sure you know the score. Do I need to advise you avoid the alcohol? Thought not, you're a smart guy Lol

    I expect that if you do succeed in a year off you'll probably get pretty much all your kidney function back. The body, even an old, fucked up one like mine has amazing healing skills. Look after yourself &, even if the problem persists, you're setting your system up to avoid any new health issues.

    Compulsive daily use & binge use of drugs (ANY drugs, booze included) can & does lead to health issues. These are usually psychological but arent any less stressful, worrying or damaging for that. In cases of psychological or physical problems, cessation of use often results in a major improvement.

    So, a year off, a book to write..? You're gonna be fine, I have faith. But don't leave BL, your experience will be of value to others. If some good could come of this, for anyone, I'm sure that'd be good therapy for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by eye_wide_open View Post

    I feel fine so far today. But I have to call a specialist and go hear the full story about what's wrong with me.
    These are just preliminary Emergency Room results so far..

    I'll keep you guys updated. Hopefully I can just set up an exercise plan and eat some healthy stuff for a while and fix this one. Otherwise I'll need dialysis treatments etc..

    This whole thing is no one's fault but my own, so I'm not blaming anyone.
    Maybe just lighten up on using the powdery stuff guys. Don't indulge too much like I did..
    Usually when things are too good to be true... they really are.
    Good to hear you're feeling better, excellent advise there. However, I'm sure the "specialst" will harsh your day. Only joking, he/she might have more information that may help ease your concerns.

    Nice to see you guys burying the hatchet Peace to you man, enjoy the plant matter
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    My appointment with the Specialist is on the 27th. 10 days from now.
    Will report back then.

    Until then, keeping my chin up. Gonna try an start eating better too.
    I'm not supposed to have any salt right now, could make the condition worse.

    Many thanks for the kind words everyone. I thought I was just gonna get laughed at for posting this. Shows what I know!

    Just to be even more clear, it was either MXE, bath salts, or Both that caused this.
    They are the only two drugs I've had the same reaction from that sent me to the hospital.
    I don't drink alcohol ever. Not a drinker. I don't smoke cigs either, quit three years back.
    Just my daily Ganjaweed. About 90% certain MXE or Bath Salts are the cause...

    ..Unless I had diabetes I didn't know about..
    Will know more soon.

    If it's diabetes I'll happily admit it and let our drugs off the hook.
    If it was the Bath Salts and MXE then I guess I'm just a dumbfuck for ingesting too much of them and I'd recommend others avoid doing so also..

    I have been having kidney pains on and off along with chest pains etc..
    so I'm pretty sure it's something to do with my Kidneys.
    It only started after doing those two drugs, never had heart or kidney pains before them.

    I'm not peeing any (visible) blood yet either, so that's a good sign.
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    Glad to hear you are okay. This is scary stuff, considering I've been abusing MXE for going on 7 months now (Can't believe it's been that long) going through well over 18+ grams since March. I always worry my kidneys are fucked, especially considering my past Opiate addiction as well. I should really get that shit checked out.

    My hopes and prays are with you EWO, safe travels and stay healthy!
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    While I'd say about half of this is due to bath salts, the other half is mostly all MXE..

    So I can say it's likely a smart idea to cut way back on MXE if you are using it daily, or binging on it for a week and stopping and starting another week...

    These drugs don't look safe to use this way.
    Of course, it's still early to blame the drugs I did for 100% sure.
    There's always a slight chance it's something else.
    We don't know yet.

    MXE should be very well spaced out. For one, to make the magic of the hole still exist each time and for two, to show control. Or maybe you don't deserve to have any.
    No offense to anyone in particular.. just a good rule of thumb to follow.
    Don't be doing this stuff all the time.

    I'm still feeling like I could go in and out of consciousness now. they told me it's all in my head and to take these pills until I see that other doctor. I guess I'll just follow orders.
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    Firstly, I'm sorry this happened EWO, and I hope you get better soon. You're not the only one here who has caused themselves health issues with these kinds of things, some of you might recall my issues 'round the end of 2010 / January 2011.

    Only drugs I did any large amounts of recently were MXE and "bath salts" of the "cocaine simulating" type.
    Concomitant abuse of MXE and (likely DRI) serious stims, especially unknown branded products....what did you think would happen? Mixing stims is never a good idea (and methoxetamine is stimulative enough to count as one).

    Hopefully, some other reckless users will learn a thing or two from your experience, and treat these unresearched chemicals with more respect and caution.


    Anyway, take a rest, and enjoy some herb, or something else relatively innocuous for a while when you're able.
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    I'm gonna guess it's all MXE. I don't know of any reported connections between either cathinones or ritalinates and kidney damage, certainly not as strong as the association with ketamine use.
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    I was wondering what you guys think abou the idea of using MXE for depression? I was thinking of taking 20-30mg 3 times a week instead of an ssri. I won't be using any other drugs. Has anyone tried a dosing regimen like this? I used to use recreationally for about 5 months peaking at a gram a week and it ended in a lot of bad things happening. The last few months I've been completely sober but quite depressed (which I've been dealing with for a long time but since I quit smoking week daily and dabbling in other drugs I really notice it). Basically I love the way mxe made me feel positive and at ease but I did it so much that effect turned into mania and I began having delusions and acting odd. I really dislike my emotional state even tho objectively my life is quite good, I don't want to be on an ssri. Am I just grasping at straws or is there something to this idea? I basically want to keep a very slight afterglow feeling all the time, not going over 100mg a week. Is it possible tolerance won't build up at this dosage?
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    I remember someone on this forum fucked their kidneys because of bad cuts in their URB097 (I think it was). Cadmium I think. So be careful!
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    Never mixed anything with the mxe really besides that one crazy night with dmt and LSD.
    And mushrooms twice.

    Never mixed mxe with the other powder.

    On phone in showerrrrr bbllllll
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    I'd like to add..

    that both the same weird thing happened to me on each drug more than once.
    I OD'd on MXE a few times (talked myself out of going to hospital) and also on the cocaine-like bath salt more than once. The last time was just too creepy and weird.

    They can both do the same scary type of "Death is coming for you right now, now what are you going to do about it?!" thing. Limbs start getting really heavy and it gets hard to walk an your balance is shifting around inside of you and you can feel it and it makes it hard to walk and move. It feels like you talking is going away and your soul is being pulled to the other side.
    It feels like DMT but less visual and much more scary and real.

    I will call it "Death paralysis". the feeling you get while you are dying. Losing control of your body to numbness. I seem to have felt this many times.

    I managed to mix some DOC with the cocaine-like bath salt a while back just fine, it was actually pretty intense!
    I honestly never did mix the MXE and Bath Salt though. I haven't had MXE for a while. I was using Bath Salt as my wannabe MXE replacement because I don't want to go order MXE.

    I've only ever done max 10 grams total of MXE.
    I used to just go to town though. do a ton of it until I saw god or aliens.
    I had no fucking idea what that shit was at first..
    ...then I needed to know the rest of the story. lol

    Was "knowing" worth a kidney? I'll let you guys know later I guess.

    If I'm still able to live to 60, eat some mushrooms another time or two in my life and smoke all the ganja I want, I can't complain! I tell you on the real boys and girls, I have seen some shit on drugs nobody would ever believe.

    unresearched chemicals
    haha, I like that one.

    I'm pretty sure half the people making some of this stuff are on here watching us squirm..

    ... as in WE are the research.

    Guinea Pig, Over and in bed =p
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    ^That's good then. The negative health effects still might have been additive if your body didn't return to normal health when you took up one drug even after ceasing the other. Of course, we can't really establish a causative relationship through this talk.

    The important thing is that you get better. Then you can get to work on integrating your experiences into mundane life, I think it'd benefit you greatly to do so (try reading Carl Jung's Seven Sermons to the Dead if you need a better idea of what I'm talking about, or look into him some more/again in general).
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