the tan mdpv like from edit that was the best? so thats what its called now? I want mdpv again I miss it bad its been years is it good still? come down still bad? has it changed at all.
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The original "tan MDPV" doesn't exist anymore unless someone stashed a bunch of it.. But the "tan PV" that's going around now is not the same.
This compound is also known as desmethyl pyrovalerone, O-2387.
Specs (units in nM, from Meltzer et al. Journal of Medicinal Chemistry, 2006, Vol. 49, No. 4)
DAT Ki: 33.7 +/- 5.4
DAT EC50: 52.3 +/- 6.2
SERT Ki/EC50: > 10uM
NET Ki: 199 +/- 45
NET EC50: 56.0 +/- 13
Should be a worthwhile stimulant. Comedown is probably nicer than MDPV.
So, has anyone tried this one yet? How does it compare to MDPV, Methylphenidate, Cocaine, Amphetamine and the like?
KI for methylphenidate -
60 nM dopamine
100nM for NE
very high 5-HT
Ki for cocaine
230 nM DA
480 nM NE
740 nM 5-HT
Its probably an OK stimulant; I would not be suprised at all if this was what the "tan PV" really was.
Hey I just got some the other day. So far I only did a small allergy test but I will be testing it tonight and this weekend for realzies. Will get back ASAP with experience report.
Yay please let us know as much as possible!
Ok well here I am. It's 5am saturday and I just got home about a half hour ago from the casino where I spent the whole night bumping a-pvp But, since I am beyond exhausted I am going to sleep now and will give you the trip report when I wake up in a few hours.
Ok, sorry for the delay. I used a-pvp throughout the weekend using different routes of administration. This will probably be moved over to Trip Reports or whatever. Here is my report:
History: Experience with all types of stimulants, opiates, psychedelics, and benzos. Been using since 16, now 27 years old.
Ok so I have used MDPV multiple times. My view on MDPV was it was not worth it. The high was indeed euphoric and very speedy but very short lived and the come down was one of the most god awful come downs I've ever had. I tried dosing various ways too. I would do a line and then wait a full hour or more for it to completely wear off before doing another. I also had nights where I would redose every half hour or so. I tried it orally (which had the least terrible come down) but all in all the come down was not worth the very short lived high for me. Ok onto a-pvp:
10:30pm - I had a belly full of food and 2 beers in me. Eye balled a small dose (around 5-10mgs).
10:35pm - Notice slight stimulation but nothing crazy
10:40pm - Slightly more stimulated than 5 mins prior but no euphoria. I decide to wait this out 20 mins before redosing.
11:00pm - Eye ball a bigger dose.. I tried to double the first dose. Up the nose it goes
11:10pm - Ok it's kicked in and it is stimulating but not euphoric at all. I'm already convinced this shit sucks and decided to slam some dope.
11:20pm - Dope slammed in bloodstream.. instantly a happier person
11:25pm - Decide to blow another bump of a-pvp thinking maybe mixing with the opiate it will feel good
11:35pm - Feeling stimulated again from the bump of a-pvp but no increase in euphoria or feeling good. I decide to consume booze. Whisky and beer the rest of the night.
From this point on I was bumping the a-pvp throughout the rest of the night. I took some pretty larger bumps and felt awake but it wasn't pleasant at all. Now I realize I mixed it with opiates and booze (and later in the night weed) but it still feel like I can get a pretty good sense of what this is all about. Wasn't impressed.. BUT I gave it another chance all by itself the next day. Read below:
Decide to give it a shot by itself. I was home this night so I had my scale with me. I Starting at around 9pm (i had no other substances in my body at the time) and I ingested a accurately weighed out dose of 10mgs using my scale. After about 10 mins I felt some stimulation but again no euphoria and no good feelings whatsoever. Even caffiene puts me in a better mood.
After 20 mins I do another bump of 12mgs.. same as before
After 20 mins I do yet another bump of 15mgs.. same as before
At this point I'm convinced this stuff is not that great. MDPV gave me a way better high at least. I didn't notice as much gurning with a-pvp though and my jaw was more forgiving the next day but there was some. This is when I decided to do something VERY STUPID which is very unlike me. I don't know what got into me but I decided to shoot the a-pvp. Here is what happened:
At like 11pm after countless disappointments from bumping the a-pvp I decide I would like a shot of dope. I cook up my gear and add exactly 6mgs of a-pvp to the shot. It dissolves instantly. I load up the syringe and let it loose into my bloodstream. I get my usual rush from the opiate but did notice another feeling which I couldn't relate to coming in at the same time.. but it wasn't in your face. Kind of subtle. I thought that maybe i gave myself too small a dose but I had no desire to do more. In fact i was content being high on my dope and threw the a-pvp away right there...
... now I go downstairs to hang with my buddies and load up some hash into the bong. Me and one of my friends go out on my porch and just sit and talk. I'm about to hit the bong while he smokes a cigar and drinks. All the sudden I started to feel weird. My ears got REALLY warm and my head didn't feel all that great. Can't explain it but i felt messy and foggy in my head. This was before I hit the bong. I ignore it and just try to stay calm. It isn't unbearable or terribly uncomfortable but just kind of different. I hit the bong. I take one large hit of this delicious hash and I'm almost instantly stoned as hell! Now, I start to nod big time. It was sooo weird cause I never nod off of the amount of dope I took but the a-pvp mixed with that bong hit for some reason just made me start to nod like a cunt.
Now I am fighting the nod but I feel REALLY REALLY tired. It is bizarre because I have a stimulant in me that i just mainlined and I'm feeling tired??? Well this went on for like an hour (i didn't dare hit the bong again). After an hour that hard nod started to fade away and I was awake again. After a few hours everyone left and I continued to stay awake by myself on my computer for another 3 hours because of residual stimulation. Woke up the next morning feeling kind of hungover and shitty but nothing terrible. Like it was an unpleasant morning but nothing compared to MDPV or even MDMA the next day.
So in my opinion, all in all a-pvp isn't good at all. I know that it wasn't fair for me to mix it with dope, booze, and weed but I did try a few doses on it's own and it was generally the same as when mixed. I experienced no euphoria and the stimulation was not like regular amphetamine where I feel like I can work and get shit done. This gave me a weird foggy, confused, hazy feeling which is hard to explain. It did not seem functional to me. Oh well.. let me know if you have any questions.
I have seen two versions of this, one was tan clumpy and when dried out with silica desicants became somewhat rocky. I have also seen a crystaline white version that was clumpy and almost moist looking. Besides looking different they certainly act different.
The tan off white one is stimulating for sure but not as much as MDPV. It burns at first but the body seems to get used to it and then it is bearable.
The white one burns little to none but is barely noticeable when it comes to desired effect:stimulation.
Despite being mildly irritating when insulfating the tan off white(think manila envelope) is the far better product. Now as to whether or not they are both aPVP I cannot say, heck there is always a chance that neither one is but I doubt it as I have had success with both suppliers.
What was the physical appearance of others apvp?
I got an order of apvp and mdppp today the apvp gives a nice rush when snorting or shooting. 50MGS got me off both ways. Redosing works not uncontrollable tho. If u r considering it buy apvp or appp the best out there. Not much differences in the apvp except the euphoria is minimal its between crappy speed rcs and closer to mdpv the strongest. it is worth the cash I also took 5 30mg morphine and 10mgs of phenezepam good for the edge
The appearance of mine was almost exactly as you described the 2nd white product you had. It was almost moist looking but not very clumpy. Seemed to be like a very fluffy soft consistency. It had minimal effects when insufflated and certainly was not pleasurable to me. Total waste if you ask me.
I've been lurking for years but never post. This thread prompted me to share my experience. I feel it's important for the knowledge of this chem to be spread in order for harm reduction. It's fairly new, so there are barely any reviews online, yet many people seem to be buying it. I've posted this elsewhere, but here's my experience:
I snorted 20mg before going to a Christmas party. It burned worse than anything I've done, but it wasn't terrible, and the burn lasted about 10 seconds, then there was no pain. The powder felt "clumpy" in my nasal cavity.
After about 10 minutes, I was instantly in a better mood. I felt more alert, and was talking at a mile a minute. Cold didn't bother me as much as it normally does, and I was craving cigarettes.
After about 1-1.5 hours, the "feel awesome" high died down a bit, and I felt wired and jittery, and I wanted to move around or bounce my legs.
After 4 hours, I declared the experience over. Almost EXACTLY four hours after dosing, I became extremely hungry and pretty tired. At some food and promptly passed out at 11.
Overall, alpha-PVP felt like a straight dopamine and slight norepinephrine releasing agent/reuptake inhibitor. For me, the crash felt softer and more manageable than adderall. I have not tried working on this substance, but I remember thinking that it would help me be productive if I wanted.
A week before I tried it, my boyfriend tested it out. I have not done coke, but he compared it to good quality coke, but longer lasting and with more of a comedown.
We both agreed it was a powerful aphrodisiac as well.
I'd be happy to answer any questions.
How much did your boyfriend take in miligrams?
Why is everyone talking shit about MDPV anyway? It feels like the most physically benign stimulant I've ever tried as long as the dosage is spot-on. During the first few days I naively dosed it 100 times over (constant redosing, eventually ending up basing it for the whole night... >1g gone!) and the psychological side effects were quite severe to say the very least, but I observed no adverse bodily reactions aside from some GI disturbance.
Once I go past 5-10mg rectal, I'll run the risk of becoming manic, thoughts will be less structured and sprout out from every corner of my mind; Also obsessive compulsive behaviourial patterns manifest.
Up to 5mg it is one of the best study aids I've ever tried. I've recently aced my physiology test (out of 400 students I was the only one with the full score), despite not studying for a single minute. I attribute that not only to my perfect attendance, but also to my moderate mdpv use, that resulted in an unknown ability to focus. It almost seems like it is able to combat my "cognitive issues" (lack of ability focus) in a long term manner, I experience less symptoms compared to the time before starting to use "pv", this even goes for weeks during which I am not using any stimulant.
There isn't even a comedown for me. The only downside seems to be that it keeps me stimulated for a whole day (amphetamine does the same), resulting in lack of sleep if I do it for several consecutive days.
That being said, I'd love to try some apvp as well sometime.
Imho straight DAT inhibitors aren't for everyone. These two also seem to require tight dosage control. If you look at mdpv as a recreational drug and keep dosing higher because you're not satisfied, have fun with your newly acquired transient psychotic state and GI disturbances! If you are aiming for better grades or tickle the last bit out of your cognitive abilities though, you'll find wonderful allies in these novel drugs. Just bear in mind that their long term effects on health are unknown and chronic use might limit the time you have left on this planet.
edit: i should also add that amphetamine brought with itself quite a high social cost. Mostly because I had much less control over my constant my urge to speak my mind. This has not been the case with mdpv and after 2 months I can already feel how people are reacting in a much more positive fashion to my presence.
So, a friend gave this stuff a try, and I just wanted to post a warning that he had some pretty severe paranoid delusions that lasted for days. He was using it pretty regularly, I think about 5-10mg snorted a couple times a night, every couple days for a few weeks. It seems alcohol would make his paranoia a little better at first (we took him out for drinks to try to get him out of the house), but after it started to wear off, it would worsen his paranoia. He kept asking us why everyone was looking at him, and he sneaked out of the club we were at without saying goodbye. (not typical at all - he closes the club down most weekends!) He even told all of his buddies he had decided to move because he thought his neighbors were trying to make him think he was crazy! We convinced him take a few days off, and he started to feel better. He told us he threw out what he had left and didn't want any of us to try it (who knows if that's just more of his paranoia, but I'm not touching the stuff)... He's gotten paranoid from coke before, but we've never seen him go this nutso for so long... Be careful...
I went though a gram of a-pvp with my girlfriend and feel I have a pretty good feel of the effects. We would mostly smoke, followed by snorting, and lastly eating. This is a foul tasting chemical, snorted or smoked, I mostly ate my last doses. Smoked doses were typically 20-50mg, sometimes we would consume up to 100mg in a few hours, just smoking 10mg piles.
The effects were subtle, didn't really speed me up like coke, adderall, mephedrone, etc does. It perked me up, and had some novel euphoria. Overall, it is very cheap, but still not worth it, doesn't come close to MDPV. Got some a-ppp, and testing that now.
alright so i just got this is about four days ago, a nice sample
Tan in color and had a smell to it
the route of ingestion was a vapor pipe (similar to that of "meth" pipe
began with and stuck with a small amount of about 10mg placed inside the bulb
when ingested this way i felt immediate energy, clarity, longer and desire for music (dubstep) every time i had music playing my body would be moving by itself. i found myself constantly moving.
i was up for 2 and a half days straight.
With the same effects occurring after each dose. whether 7 am or 7 pm.
b careful, the best thing about it was i had no comedown whatsoever. my gf said she loved it. Wont be getting anymore for now, got to watch my ass as well as hers.
At the end of the second day when i began feeling exhausted and you could see it in my eyes, a quick smoke and i would be up again.
Very pleasant, well worth a try.
ive done pure coke on the regular almost every weekend in my past. im talking pure cartel shit. Really good stuff.
This stuff is similar to coke, but i used to get nasty comedown on Blow.
This stuff when vaporized like i said above gave me NO COMEDOWN thats what was a little scary.