isnt suboxone a little too strong for someone inexperienced to opiates?
Not really, if he sticks to the right dose. I put opiates in the following rankings:
High Class (not recommended for beginners)
Oxycodone, Methadone, Hydromorphone, Oxymorphone, Fentanyl, Morphine
Mid Class
Buprenorphine, Meperidine, Hydrocodone
Lower Class
Codeine, Tramadol, Propoxyphene
and what you should never do; heroin.
u really think oxycodone would be in high class? I think i'd put it in between high and mid
Sorry, yes, I meant 2mg.... I was looking at the price ($200)!
This may sound weird, but I don't mind the itching associated with opiates... hell I don't mind anything when I'm high! Though perhaps it can become a pain when you're more experienced.
Hmmmm... I'm getting mixed messages here. Codeine or Subutex? Here's the 'menu':
Buprenorphine 0.2 mg.
Better known under the name Temgesic
Generic Buprenorphine 50 blistered tablets $ 100
Generic Subutex 2 mg
Buprenorphine 2 mg 60 tablets $200
Codeine 60 mg ( Pure )
Guaranteed no paracetamol, 80 tablets pure codeine 60 mg $100
Tramadol urgh blah...
Buprenorphine is very potent...with no tolerance start off with .5mg. As with a lot of opiates, some love it...some hate it. Personally if i dose it right i feel fantastic all day...but i over did it once and it was a terrible, terrible day
Oh, nearly forgot to ask, does anyone know if the effects of opiates are altered if you're on an SSRI?
Well, I've finally ordered:
40 x 60mg pure Codeine
30 x 2mg Subutex
20 x 100mg Tramadol
I've also decided to stop taking the paroxitine. I have previous experience with this SSRI and personally don't mind the withdrawal effects... I'm either tough or brain-dead! I don't even need to taper off it. I just "suffer" the zaps for a week then it's over. Then I'll be able to enjoy the Tramadol a bit more!
So, am I right in thinking?:
Tramadol + Subutex = OK
Tramadol + Codeine = OK
Subutex + Codeine = NOT OK (or rather, pointless, as Subutex will stop the effects of Codeine)
And, if I'm going to enjoy these relatively mild opiates without the certainty of addiction (accepting that there is always a chance) can anyone give me some advice about frequency/amounts of ingestion?
Honestly I can say pharms are the worse thing you can get caught up in. They are potent and very expensive. If I were you, I would buy a little bit of heroin and do a tiny bump up the nose. Its very relaxing and has less side effects than that garbage. I should know. I was spending 400 dollars a month on lortabs. Now I am down to spending 40 dollars a month on heroin. And I feel fine.Let's hope that my message is allowed in this forum then... I've gotta get used to the weird censorship occurring on a website that seems anti-establishment in essence... does it seem a little ironic to anyone else other than me? Ah well, it comes with being a newbie I guess.
Anyway, being fairly inexperienced when it comes to all opiate-related substances, I need the experience and wisdom of the members. It seems that Oxycontin is as rare as rocking-horse shit in these parts of the world, so I'm looking for other opiate-related pharms to try. I can get the following, but which will give me the best buzz in your opinion:
Ultram (tramadol) 100mg
Codeine 60mg
Pentazocine 25mg
Subutex (buprenorphine) 2mg
Honestly I can say pharms are the worse thing you can get caught up in. They are potent and very expensive. If I were you, I would buy a little bit of heroin and do a tiny bump up the nose. Its very relaxing and has less side effects than that garbage. I should know. I was spending 400 dollars a month on lortabs. Now I am down to spending 40 dollars a month on heroin. And I feel fine.