Slum Survivor
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Dec 17, 2012
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no it doesnt man... its all bull crap about the naloxone. only bupe causes ANY of the negative effects, unless the person is sensitive or allergic to naloxone. as it does get into the blood stream. it just gets out muscled by bupe at the receptor.
subutex and suboxone are seriously almost the exact same thing. dr's and pharamcists who believe otherwise, like mine, are idiots.
ive been getting very upset about this with people who try to argue otherwise... i mean dude. im a walking example. ugh...
not upset at u Zerrr!! just to be clear. i know what u mean. btw i use alcohol everyday with my sub, u do know about that right? its great for using less.
i personally think, dont know, that it would take a lot of naloxone in most folks to start reversing any bupe... im not quite sure how that really works... i mean the naloxone has a lower affinity. but maybe if the blood concentration is at or above a certain level then it doesnt matter. that would explain why i can shoot thru 2-4mg bupe with 3 bags of decent dope when im being dumb and relapse. its just too much higher of a concentration of the other.... am i on the right track here u neuro-chem buffs??
EDIT: just a little FYI: this last relapse i waited 40+ hours to re-dose my sub again and still got mild-moderate PW symptoms even after that long... wow that sucks. dont relapse, and possibly put yourself thru this if you get any ideas of getting high. it sucks, and never used to happen to me. just one day, bam! no more switching back and forth easily.
i even got some dope on my finger while preping the stuff. i licked my finger clean, while continuing on. It almost instantly gave me w/d somehow. it had only been about 18-24 hours since my last bupe dose too. i have no idea why that happened...
huge pupils, instant sweat, burning.freezing, GI issues.... it was crazy. then i hit the shot, it works, and im good as normal. until re-dosing the sub again at 40+ hours.... then a day or so of dysphoria and mild-moderate w/d. so stupid of me. still doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me tho. i just dont feel like getting high anymore... not worth it.
subutex and suboxone are seriously almost the exact same thing. dr's and pharamcists who believe otherwise, like mine, are idiots.
ive been getting very upset about this with people who try to argue otherwise... i mean dude. im a walking example. ugh...
not upset at u Zerrr!! just to be clear. i know what u mean. btw i use alcohol everyday with my sub, u do know about that right? its great for using less.
i personally think, dont know, that it would take a lot of naloxone in most folks to start reversing any bupe... im not quite sure how that really works... i mean the naloxone has a lower affinity. but maybe if the blood concentration is at or above a certain level then it doesnt matter. that would explain why i can shoot thru 2-4mg bupe with 3 bags of decent dope when im being dumb and relapse. its just too much higher of a concentration of the other.... am i on the right track here u neuro-chem buffs??
EDIT: just a little FYI: this last relapse i waited 40+ hours to re-dose my sub again and still got mild-moderate PW symptoms even after that long... wow that sucks. dont relapse, and possibly put yourself thru this if you get any ideas of getting high. it sucks, and never used to happen to me. just one day, bam! no more switching back and forth easily.
i even got some dope on my finger while preping the stuff. i licked my finger clean, while continuing on. It almost instantly gave me w/d somehow. it had only been about 18-24 hours since my last bupe dose too. i have no idea why that happened...
huge pupils, instant sweat, burning.freezing, GI issues.... it was crazy. then i hit the shot, it works, and im good as normal. until re-dosing the sub again at 40+ hours.... then a day or so of dysphoria and mild-moderate w/d. so stupid of me. still doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me tho. i just dont feel like getting high anymore... not worth it.
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