Just a quick meth question

When I consume this substance I get minimal effects. I've had it about 15 times over 3 years. The only time I got a proper high was during my first experience, consumed orally. It came on within 10 minutes and I felt pretty off chops for 2 hours until the acid came on and i felt mixed feelings of both. Ever since that one experience I've never been able to reach the same level, not even close. I've taken it orally, and smoked up to as many as 3 points. It's quality gear. There's always a couple of people smoking the same gear I got. They look buzzed up, however all i feel is a mild light headed feeling for about 5 minutes. After that diminishes I feel completely sober, although I'm unable to sleep for at least 24 hours. My mates gf has got the same problem. To me it seems like a useless drug all together. Has anyone got an explanation for this except for the obvious, shit gear? I haven't went near it in a few months, don't think i'll bother again as it's a waste of money and can be highly addictive in some cases

I'd say either shit gear or perhaps inherent tolerance to the substance? (Or subunconscious meth-defense seeds planted by Lucy).

Some people find it very subtle and don't get much effect out of it their first time, but with 15 attempts you should have managed something. If we rule out shit gear then maybe you just don't get that much out of it due to your own brain chemistry, or your body is particularly tolerant for some reason. Also you may be doing something wrong, smoking meth is a bit of an artform it takes practice to get the technique down properly.

consider yourself lucky I say

it's not shit gear, a few months back my mate was getting pink rocks, i watched about 5 other users get on and they all said that one point alone gets them flying. i smoked 2 points, all at once without stopping, i feel a rush building up, before I know it it's gone. i do feel "something" but can't even classify that as a high. I don't consume drugs regularly either and don't have a drug of choice. If I get on it's never the same substance twice in a row. I don't even drink. I know I shouldn't be playing around with meth anyway but sometimes the temptation is too much when a few of my mates smoke it and I just sit there watching lol.

I would perhaps think you're looking for the wrong feeling. To say you are sober but don't sleep for 24 hours I see as a contridiction?

if you are chasing a rush then meth ain't going to do it......you need crack!


(obviously j/k...filenet does not endorse any such behavior!)

Methamphetamine is funny in the way it can affect some people. If you're used to more psychotropic stimulants such as Ecstasy then it can seem quite tame in the kind of high that it produces - it can be for some people a very subtle energy charge and for others masses of euphoria etc..

If you're up for 24 hours its affecting you but as others have pointed out your brain chemistry may influence how you are impacted by the drug.

I think it some way it can be very addictive for people because it is a subtle high and before you know it the night has passed and you're doing more and maybe not realising why.

Apart from massive sleep deprivation causing you to crash eventually it doesn't seem to have the same sharp level of diminishing returns like MDMA (or even acid) and thus it can hard to see its overall effects. (If that makes sense)

Interesting. I am the same as the OP. What I have realised is I can never get the same effect smoking it - taking it orally I get a higher, smoother, longer and more consistent high; hence I wouldn't smoke it ever again.

interesting...

maybe you are an undiagnosed case of ADHD? lol

It's quite subtle in doses like that especially, weak-average (well, SA average) gear. I don't get heaps from it either in doses like that, just feels like sober but better and faster. However when you look back you realize you weren't as sober as you thought.

agree, its not until you run dry from that 10day run that you realise how sober you weren't!

Your problem is as follows:

You are doing drugs for the sake of doing drugs.

Find a pass time, like mixing records for example. Start mixing, have a few beers... as the night goes on you will become a little sleepy. This is when you should rip a point. Stay alert and keep mixing until the sun comes up and all your friends can dance and celebrate life to your music.

Now doesn't that sound better than trying to get high for no reason?

Nab does not condone the use of illegal drugs. However if there is a use for a drug then it should be experimented with to find its full potential.

^ i've tried many times to find its full potential....but I always seem to give up around the 10day mark!

by coincidence my mate called me up a few hours after making this thread and asked if i was keen. i took a point orally, following by another as i began to feel the effects of the first one, and finally smoked another half instantly after downing the second. my mate rated this gear 8/10. he seemed way more out of it than i was. he claims he was "peaking" for a couple of hours before it began to diminish. i on the other hand, felt a mild mellow stimulating rush for about 40 minutes tops before it was completely gone. meth taken orally takes full effect in under 10 minutes when i take it. still unable to sleep. don't think i'll bother with it again, wasn't worth the money.

first time i consumed a point i also took 2 medium strength tabs, and a very potent mde pill. taken at a rave. i think this combo may have done something. it was my first time mixing, only mixed once since which was a while ago as well, 700mg dxm+weed

probably for the best of it. i like my sleep. have some catching up to do

hyroller said:

interesting...

maybe you are an undiagnosed case of ADHD? lol

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This occurred to me also. I know ADD/ADHD friends often report feeling very calm and even "sedated" after having meth. Or, as others have said, maybe it's just not your "thing".

I guess the lesson here is, everyone's different. Consider yourself lucky - you'll save yourself a fortune by giving up on meth now

nabollocks said:

Your problem is as follows:

You are doing drugs for the sake of doing drugs.

Find a pass time, like mixing records for example. Start mixing, have a few beers... as the night goes on you will become a little sleepy. This is when you should rip a point. Stay alert and keep mixing until the sun comes up and all your friends can dance and celebrate life to your music.

Now doesn't that sound better than trying to get high for no reason?

Nab does not condone the use of illegal drugs. However if there is a use for a drug then it should be experimented with to find its full potential.

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This is something I'm noticing about Aus DD that has been getting on my nerves lately and I'm not sure how to express this without coming off a wowser. A good example of where it's happened recently elsewhere is the Codeine Extraction thread... people who can't get codeine to work properly after god knows how many tries, but they still don't stop trying, and others who quite commonly say it's something they're doing because they're bored/for the sake of it.

It's one thing to try a drug out of curiosity, like it and continue taking it... it's another thing entirely (to me) to try and get nothing out of drugs that are incredibly addictive and harmful long-term but to keep trying and trying and trying.

hoptis said:

It's one thing to try a drug out of curiosity, like it and continue taking it... it's another thing entirely (to me) to try and get nothing out of drugs that are incredibly addictive and harmful long-term but to keep trying and trying and trying.

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You've got a point - it does seem pointless - but on the flipside of the coin are situations where the variablilty of drugs means that you may need to try a drug multiple times to actually get something of decent quality and to then feel its true effects.

Look at the current generation of pill poppers who may not have experienced anything but low dose or adulterated pills. Eventually you get a great one and they go - "so this is what it is meant to feel like" and so forth.

You did it again? In the words of Dr. Phil: "What were you thinking?" Maybe you actually do like it more than you are letting on??

The effects you are experiencing are exactly what makes people use meth.

The ability to stay awake for 48 hours on a single dose alone is a desirable effect. The DA push enables you to do thing that are normally not possible.

Me thinks you lack the planning gene. If you take any stimulant, plan to spend your time doing things that entertain your mind. If you do not keep it busy, it will turn on you. This is especially true after large single use like you described.

Things you should be thinking are:
How is this drug going to effect me long term?
How is it going to effect me short term?
How long is it going to effect me?
Are there any health problems associated with the use of this drug?
Are there any health benefits?
Am I going to be under stress in the next 24 hours?
Am I going to be under stress in the next week?
Am I going to be required to use my analytical brain?
Am I going to have protected sex?
Am I going to be able to stop myself from re-dosing?
etc...

If you have not taken these questions into consideration, you are seriously under prepared.

Your lack of medication to help you sleep alone says you are under prepared.

Stop looking for an experience you have read about.

Drugs are subjective, and therefore differ for each individual. (Best delivered under medical supervision)

The best thing you can do is accept the fact that it only has bad effects on you and move on.

Do you take any other medication? SSRIs? SNRIs?

Hoptis you got a point and considering this is a harm reduction forum I see the increased validity of your statement as it relates to this site. There is the flipside to consider though, some people just want to try things for the experience and even if it takes a few times maybe they just want to die able to say they tried everything once so it was worth a few times to get it right.

I don't know if it is my posts in the codeine thread you are referring to as I did post a fair few times recently in there asking for help. I had got it right before but just never had consistent results and I also had experience with codeine through the use of panadeine fortes. To me it better serves harm reduction for someone like me, who is going to keep trying and trying regardless, to be lent a helping hand to getting the process correct and reducing the potential damage I can do to myself.

I don't really see whats wrong with doing drugs just because you are bored and/or for the sake of it. I mean its our body and mind so what if we would rather be high more of the time? We are talking about harm reduction not harm elimination. There is a high potential for harm when using drugs regardless of how they are used and we are not here to judge but to hopefully save fellow drug users from bad experiences and possibly death.

The way I see it, the more potential for harm there is, the more potential there is to eliminate harm so it isn't really productive to take issue with people who are using drugs for less reason than you would deem appropriate to use drugs.

I use drugs as responsibly as someone can while using more drugs than one should. I habitually use drugs out of boredom/feeling the need to/for the sake of it/no reason, some people jerk off all day to internet porn. Some people devote their whole lives to exercise or some hobby and I don't really see the difference.

The obvious one is that certain other activities are seen to be more productive but who is anyone else to tell me how productive I should be so long as I am a functioning member of society and support myself and my habits. Maybe I will live a longer healthier life if I exercised as much as I got high but who says I want to live that long? Who says I would enjoy life as much if I only lived for the same amount of time but was exercising instead of using?

In my mind the only ways that someone can use drugs irresponsibly are by engaging in unneccessarily risky practises to use drugs (for example using dirty needles, eating 30 nurofen plus instead of using CWE, etc.) or by using too many drugs for themselves to handle and rendering themselves unable to function in society. As long as you work and pay your bills, pay for your drugs and care for your dependant children then it shouldn't really matter what drugs someone is on or how often.

Anyway this has ended up a bit of a rant. I don't take issue with your point of view I just wanted to try make you understand the other point of view and edned up making an essay out of it. lol