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Fuckin Pathetic: NJ to Ban Smoking In Cars if Kids are Present

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Bill aims to safeguard kids in smokers' cars
Friday, June 08, 2007
BY SUSAN K. LIVIO
Star-Ledger Staff

In a state where it's illegal to light up in nearly all public places, a panel of lawmakers yesterday voted to ban smoking in more personal spaces -- inside private vehicles when children are present.

The Senate Health, Human Services and Senior Citizens Committee approved a bill that would allow police to stop drivers who are smoking while traveling with children under the age of 17.

"There are very few activities more dangerous for children than being confined in a car where someone is smoking," said Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union), who sponsored the bill, S2641.

Violators would pay a $100 fine, but would not be required to pay insurance or state motor vehicle licensing surcharges, according to the bill. The committee added an amendment proposed by Sen. Tom Kean Jr. that would devote the money from fines to state-funded smoking cessation programs.

New Jersey would be the third state in the country to enact a ban on smoking while driving with kids, according to New Jersey GASP, Group Against Smoking Pollution. Karen Blumenfeld of GASP lauded Lesniak's bill as being "on the forefront of protecting children from secondhand smoke."

The bill passed unanimously and now heads to the full Senate for a vote.

Yet the issue is likely to attract more attention as the public learns the effort to control secondhand smoke will affect families' behavior in private.

George Koodray, the New Jersey state coordinator for The Smoker's Club Inc., a national group, said the bill is an example of government gone wild.

"We don't need regulations to give us the sense to know not to smoke in front of a child," said Koodray, reached last night after the vote. "What's troubling to us is the legislative process feels the need to address every conceivable contingency out there."

Public smoking zones shrank 14 months ago with the passage of an indoor smoking ban covering restaurants, bars and non-gaming rooms at casinos. And a bill is pending to end the exemption for all casino areas.

"I agree with the advice the legislation might give, but I don't agree with formalizing things like this," said Koodray, a board member for the Metropolitan Society, a private cigar club in Fairfield with about 150 members in New York and New Jersey.

Committee member Sen. Barbara Buono (D-Middlesex) said she supported the bill reluctantly. "I don't know whether legislation is the proper vehicle for parental behavioral modification," Buono said. "I'm a little uncomfortable."


"I'm not," said the bill's sponsor, Lesniak, who likened exposing children to second-hand smoke to "child endangerment."

"We need to set an example," he added.

The Monmouth County municipality of Keyport set the tone in April by enacting its own ban on smoking in cars with kids. Jon Barone, a member of the Keyport Board of Health and the Monmouth County Regional Health Commission addressed the committee.

"I believe that children are the forgotten victims in the second-hand smoke debate, and should be protected as much, if not more, than adults who are exposed to second-hand smoke," Barone testified. "It is questionable whether or not children can avoid cigarette smoke at home, but they cannot escape it if they are in a car while someone is smoking."

Barone said critics who say this tramples on individual freedoms are overlooking the other legal demands the state places on drivers. The use of hand-held cell phones is prohibited, and drivers and front-seat passengers must wear seat belts.

The stakes are much higher for children, he added. "This is as serious a health risk as not putting a child in a car seat."

Chatham was almost the first community to enact a local ban, but in March the borough council decided against it because of their concern over legal challenges. Instead, it decided to recommend the Legislature enact a statewide ban.

Even the state's top health official acknowledged the bill may prove a hard sell.

Health and Senior Citizens Commissioner Fred Jacobs said Lesniak did not consult with him before introducing the measure last month. Jacobs said while he supports the idea of the bill, "I would prefer to start with a comprehensive education program because it deals with parental behavior and conduct."

If the bill ultimately clears the Legislature and is signed into law by Gov. Jon Corzine, New Jersey would follow Louisiana, which last year enacted a ban that affected drivers who smoked around children 12 and younger. Arkansas also cites drivers who smoke around children under 6 years old or weigh 60 pounds or less.


RRRRRRRRRGGGHGHG!!!!

Son of a fuckin bitch!! How goddamn stupid can it fuckin get???

Why the hell dont they just make cigarettes illegal if you cant fuckin smoke them anywhere in the goddamn state other than locked inside your own bathroom with all the windows and doors sealed off so that no one has to get brain cancer from thinking about smoking. or the secondhand smoke carryin 100 feet to the neighbors house. Yea, "Very few activities as dangerous as a kid being in a car while you are smokin" MY FUCKIN ASS! You mean, like beatin your kids, or molesting them, or feeding them McfattyArby's, or lettin them watch endless hours of retard-ass shows that make them lust for material things, or......

The genius of this whole thing is that ANYONE i know that i EVER fuckin met that smokes, and thats alot of people, SMOKES WITH THE WINDOWS DOWN. no one gets confined in the car with the smoke, cuz smokers dont like to breathe all smoke either.

Stupid fucks........Leave parenting to the fuckin parents and get the fuck outta my goddamn business.

I cant even get started on this shit Ill get more pissed than i already am.:X
 
This should be great news to some of the ULTRA liberals on this site............
Middle o' the road is the best place to be when it comes to politics
 
From what I've heard CA is trying to do the same thing.
 
Ya, I see negligence from so called "parents" all the time, puffin away with closed windows (2 adults) while an infant is in the backl.

fuck em, let s ban it for everyone because some beople are just TOO FUCKING STUPID (just like that walmart lady)
 
illinois is also trying to pass smoking in car W/kids laws. I think its ok if the windows are open my P's did it all the time. In illinois they just recently passed restaurant & bar no smoking laws.
In Illinois you cant drive while talking on a cell phone.
People do anyway. Including me.
Great law8(
 
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^ I got pulled over for that last night. they gave me a ticket. fuck cook county.
 
fruitfly said:
Under the age of 17? That's a bit much, no? It's one thing to roll through town puffing a cigar with the windows up while your newborn is snoozing in the back. But a 16-year-old, say? Come on.

what about a blunt ;)
 
wArEhOuSePuNk said:
This should be great news to some of the ULTRA liberals on this site............
Middle o' the road is the best place to be when it comes to politics


Not all ultra liberals are created equal. Besides, the house passed this unanimously, so obviously this isn't the sole work of liberals.
 
lacey k said:
RRRRRRRRRGGGHGHG!!!!

Son of a fuckin bitch!! How goddamn stupid can it fuckin get???

Why the hell dont they just make cigarettes illegal if you cant fuckin smoke them anywhere in the goddamn state other than locked inside your own bathroom with all the windows and doors sealed off so that no one has to get brain cancer from thinking about smoking. or the secondhand smoke carryin 100 feet to the neighbors house. Yea, "Very few activities as dangerous as a kid being in a car while you are smokin" MY FUCKIN ASS! You mean, like beatin your kids, or molesting them, or feeding them McfattyArby's, or lettin them watch endless hours of retard-ass shows that make them lust for material things, or......

The genius of this whole thing is that ANYONE i know that i EVER fuckin met that smokes, and thats alot of people, SMOKES WITH THE WINDOWS DOWN. no one gets confined in the car with the smoke, cuz smokers dont like to breathe all smoke either.

Stupid fucks........Leave parenting to the fuckin parents and get the fuck outta my goddamn business.

I cant even get started on this shit Ill get more pissed than i already am.:X
You are disgusting.
Do you have any idea how many YEARS have been taken from a kids life when he is around parents who smoke?
I can not even play any sort of fucking sports because my parents smoked around me for the first 16 years of my life. I am constantly out of breath, and it makes any physical activity hard.
Mod Edit - NO FLAMING!
 
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This isn't about smoking around kids all the time. This isn't about smoking in your house. This is about smoking in a fucking car, with the window down. Smoking in the car with the window down (come on - do any of you know anyone that smokes with windows up??) is not what gave you breathing problems. Period.

edit - I'm a smoker. I'm also a parent. I don't smoke in my fucking house, but you better believe I smoke in my car when it's warm (i choose not to in the winter time when i can only crack the window) and i have the windows down.

Smoking in cars is not what hurts kids. Smoking in your home does, but that hasn't been outlawed. Yet.
 
SpunkySkunk347 said:
You are disgusting.
Do you have any idea how many YEARS have been taken from a kids life when he is around parents who smoke?
I can not even play any sort of fucking sports because my parents smoked around me for the first 16 years of my life. I am constantly out of breath, and it makes any physical activity hard.
Fuck you, I hope you die from lung cancer.
BULLSHIT. There isnt even scientific evidence that 2nd hand smoke is even harmfull. My parents smoked untill I was 16 & i have zero lung problems & I chief herb constantly........ Its whiney mod edit: no flaming like you that are ruining my country.
 
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SpunkySkunk347 I find it fucking ironic you're on a drug discussion site and are so hateful of tobacco, are you one of the fools that thinks cigarettes will kill you with a single drag and wants tobacco to be illegal, while you take another drag off your blunt.

Should we also make it a law parents can only feed their kids junk food so often?
Should we make it a law parents can't fuck up their kids minds with religion or sexual hangups?
You know this will be too hard to police, we better just have all kids taken and raised in government run facilities to make sure their parents have no chance to do anything harmful to them.
 
SpunkySkunk347 said:
You are disgusting.
Do you have any idea how many YEARS have been taken from a kids life when he is around parents who smoke?
I can not even play any sort of fucking sports because my parents smoked around me for the first 16 years of my life. I am constantly out of breath, and it makes any physical activity hard.
Fuck you, I hope you die from lung cancer.


Hey, what you know about me?

Its your parents problem that they were too inconsiderate of their own kid. that dont mean that just because yours didnt respect you, that no other parents are capable of knowin when or when not to smoke.

We dont need a law for it we just need less shitty parents, so dont go holding your grudge against me when it should be against your own folks.

I dont smoke around kids, but i sure as fuck dont want no fuckin law tellin me whether i can or cant, while on my own private property. you are falling for the bait that the politicians put out there "OUR CHILDRENNNN!" Without realizin that this aint about kids at all, but the work of a extremely anti cigarette politician whose usin it as a tool to push in on what you can and cant do in your own time and space.

I dont see laws that make it illegal to smoke while youre pregnant, so if everyone was really so concerned there would be alot more shit like that goin on. no its a fuckin circus show to distract you.

Show me where i ever said smokin around kids is cool and people should do it, oh right, i didnt, so quit jumpin to fuckin conclusions.
 
wArEhOuSePuNk said:
BULLSHIT. There isnt even scientific evidence that 2nd hand smoke is even harmfull.

I thought there certainly was evidence that 2nd hand smoke is harmful... Can anyone back me up on this?


As for the original topic, I'm against it. First of all, it gives them the right to pull you over just because they see you smoking with a kid in a car. That's ridiculous and just another reason to rack up subsequent charges. It's similar to the seatbelt law. And, if I remember correctly in NJ they could pull you over just for not wearing it. Unlike PA and other states where they could only pull you over if you commit a violation that warrants a stop. Between these two laws, the high property tax and auto insurance, I don't know how there isn't a mass exodus out of NJ...

If they really want to prove that it's really harmful, they should back up their claims with long term studies.
 
wArEhOuSePuNk said:
This should be great news to some of the ULTRA liberals on this site............
Middle o' the road is the best place to be when it comes to politics
i dont know what youre talking about... this is the opposite of what it means to be socially liberal

controlling people's personal lives for the 'greater good' or other reasons (usually moral) is socially conservative

Why the hell dont they just make cigarettes illegal
careful what you wish for. it'll happen soon enough. http://www.pipes.org/Articles/history.html
 
The whole idea of conservatism WAS supposed to be to keep big government out of the peoples lives.
I understand that now they have reversed their philosophy to one of control of the people.......
Just look at California , THE most "liberal" state with THE worst anti-smoking laws.
Do you really think Conservatives could give 2 shits about smoking laws.
A good portion of conservatives are poor , white southerners (who smoke)that live in cash crop tobacco states
 
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^conservatives give 2 shits about smoking laws because conservativism has become tied so strongly to religion, and religion really cares about moral legislation
 
alright i'm

A) Liberal, not necessarily ULTRA but pretty damn liberal
B) I smoke (cigarrettes) occassionally
C) I hate "stupid" laws that force ppl to do things that should be a choice.

All that said, i agree with this law. Just today i was smoking a cigarette and a couple of really young kids walked by, and i felt uncomfortably, like they should not be around it. btw, i was listening to Loveline (if you dont know its a radio show with a board certified physician) and Adam Carolla was pissed about these smoking laws so he asked dr.drew to do some research. turns out that a study that once said that something like "thousands of people die from 2nd degree smoke a year" was more like "maybe three a year." it is harmful, but not nearly as much as people think.


as for these laws, i have come to realize that while they do interfer with a good citizens lives unnecesarily, there are A LOT of dumb people out there that need the government to hold their little hand, and it ruins it for the rest of us. like, the majority of people that smoke weed do so responsibly. its just the people who go crazy with it that there needs to be laws against it. yeah, it sucks, but there is a reason for the law: so retarded people can be guided through life like sheep.
 
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