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Euronymous
18-01-2007, 11:17
So i got a hold of a 50mcg fent patch tonight and i did a search to find out how to prepare it for smoking but i couldnt find anything so i was wondering if somone experienced with smokin fent could walk me thru the process. I have opiate experience as well but have not tried fent tho. Thanks in advance

Astavats
18-01-2007, 12:56
Here's a few I found from Erowid...IMO you should read the cautionary tales before trying it yourself.

Cautions/Considerations:
Be Cautious Using This Substance (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=29958)
Entering a World of Death (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=39115)
I'll Never Do That Again (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=33013)
How I Spent My Spring Break (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=16826)

Preparations:
On a Cigarette (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=16951) <--Seemed like a waste
Chasing the Dragon (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=37460)
Extracted from the Patches (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=20164)
I Think Cutting It Open Is a Waste (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=23983)<--Seemed like a waste

From what I know Fentanyl is really powerful stuff, be careful as it can be very dangerous. I hope you know what your doing, good luck.

ktx49
20-01-2007, 02:36
ok i consider myself an expert when it comes to smoking fentanyl!

first of all, is the patch u bought contain gel? if it is a small pouch and says MYLAN on it u cannot smoke it since it contains no gel! so make sure u get the name brand "DURAGESIC" by janssenn or the SANDOZ generic fentanyl transdermal system! both of those are identical and contain a gel reservoir with fentanyl inside! in order to get the fent-gel out i do NOT peel off the back part of the sticker so basically leave the patch in tact! now squeeze the gel inside the patch so that its all on one side! now cut a corner off and slowly press the gel upwards until a small glob comes out the cut corner...it should not fall out but rather cling to the plastic patch. now get a paper clip or any other small poking device and gently remove the small BB sized glob. now place the small glob in the middle of a 4x4in piece of aluminum foil(just regular foil no non-stick shit and preburn from underneath....u want the SHINY side up and place the gel on the SHINY side). get a bic pen or any other tube and hollow it out make sure there are no leaks! now place the tube in ur mouth and have the other end hovering DIRECTLY above the gel-glob approx 1 inch no more than that or u will lose much vapor!

no take a lighter or flame and place about 6 inches below the foil and slowly move the foil and flame closer together until u start to hear the gel fizzle...this is the sweet spot! u dont want the flame too close to the foil as it will make it burn off too quick....so ill repeat, slowly move the flame source closer and closer to the foil until the gel starts to vaporize and sizzle!! as its doing this, slowly**slowly*** inhale through the tube and keep the flame steady until the gel turns blackish and stops sizzling/fizzing! then take some air on top or ur hit and hold it in for 10 seconds minimum! u will not see any smoke during this process if u do it properly! u should have a nice faint pleasant taste in ur mouth after the first hit if u did it correctly...that is the fent!

now repeat this process with globs of gel NO LARGER than BBs until u achieve desired effects!! u can take the first two hits back to back, but after two hits of BB sized globs, u need to wait about 5-10mins before taking anymore hits because the fentanyl is powerful and even though it comes on instantly when smoked, the depressant effects of the narcotic often do not become apparent until 10-15 minutes after the hit; trust me!

if u have a baseline opiate tolerance(ie. 20mg hydrocodone/20mg oxy/1 bag of heroin, etc), then i would say that 2 good and properly inhaled hits will have u leanin'

however, i can assure u will somehow fuck up and waste a decent amount so u may require many more hits than i projected....again, be careful! fentanyl is a very strange opiate IMO...sometimes its very sedating other times im stimulated like oxy. sometimes i itch my balls sometimes i dont!

if u do this correctly, 2-3 hits with a baseline tolerance will definately be enough! each patch above the 50ug strength seems to contain atleast 12 good hits!!!

bfisher
20-01-2007, 04:47
u wanna push all the gel to a corner of the patch then make a cut near the corner so u can get as much out as possible.
smoking off foil works, but i cant stress more how important it is to watch how much u smoke.
fent is fucking DANGEROUS as hell, we lost a bl'er to it just 2weeks ago.
be very carefull

haribo1
20-01-2007, 05:02
I extracted gel from, say, 20 patches. Add some distilled water & up the pH to about 12. Vaccum distill off liquid and place a little of the powder on to foil and smoke THAT. The freebase is MUCH better to smoke than the citrate. You wouldn't belive the rush smoking 5mg. The high, I find boring.

snowblowjoe
22-01-2007, 07:07
what do u mean up the pH to about 12? and how do u vacuum distill? i need to figure out how to turn that fuckin gel into powder/crystals!

stirfry
22-01-2007, 21:35
^lol, if you have to ask those questions, you can forget about doing it.

burntserkits
24-01-2007, 00:29
The high, I find boring.

Agreed. Fentanyl is too sedating and cold. It lacks the warm, fuzzy euphoria of traditional opioids IMO...

Serra_Angel
24-01-2007, 02:28
All I have to say on this subject is that Fentanyl killed my friend Staypuft, just before Christmas. He was a regular on the forums.

Unless you REALLY know what you are doing don't mess with it.

Swerlz
24-01-2007, 03:00
^seconded.

burntserkits
24-01-2007, 04:13
RIP Staypuft...

ktx49
24-01-2007, 18:16
that is why i get so pissed when people say they can handle a whole 100mcg patch at once orally and shit....its stupid!

just because someone managed to survive ingested 10mg of fent at once doesnt mean its safe....and i hate it when people say the potency of fentanyl is overrated!!

Yen
26-01-2007, 07:35
R.i.p.

ktx49
26-01-2007, 15:21
im on fent right now and it is certainly not cold or boring.....in fact, i find it to be more stimulating than high dose oxy at certain times...like yesterday i got high off fent and cleaned my entire basement for no reason and was like on a stimulant i was moving so fast and stuff....then i finished and started nodding lol!

but RIP dont underestimate fentanyl....after doing the cleaning i continued to smoke more gel and overdosed(non fatal). got a massive headache, shakey, and puked for two hours straight!!! thing is, i am very experienced with fentanyl this is the first time ive overdone it with the gel smoking!

just another example of how careful you need to be with this stuff!

later

damon1872
04-05-2007, 10:37
foil...shiny side down :) ...and u wanna run a lighter over the shiny side for a second to burn the lil "coating" off...not really a coating..but it will smoke off it. then its better to smoke off it. imo and everyone else i know who use foil to chase the dragon.

~damoN~

MaryB
23-01-2009, 20:12
I have been on painkillers for 17 years. I won't go into my medical problems except to say i have chronic, all day every day, pain so bad many days I can't get out of bed. 10 years ago I started on the fentanyl patches and even though i still have a lot of pain, the patches did make a big difference. Now i can get out of bed most days and the pain is at least bearable. However, this is why I'm writing! Fentanyl is not a drug to mess around with, it DOES kill. Maybe people believe their invincible and they would never be stupid enough to OD from it but I bet that's what all the people who've killed themselves with it thought. It is a very strong MEDICATION not a TOY I don't care how high you get it's not worth the risk. Just don't do it, go to rehab if you must but live smart. Also, I don't know why anyone would want to mess with it, I'd love to be able to get completely off this stuff. I recently went from 150 to 50 mcg (YEAH, just one patch!) They're uncomfortable to wear, don't stay on, don't last but two days(at least for me) and then I'm suffering with withdrawls every third day, I'll stop there though I've many more reasons for hating the Patch. Sorry if I remind you of your mother and you feel I'm lecturing and have no right but, I am a mother, I am lecturing, and I have a right because 1. those of us who really need this medicine many times have a hard time getting it, and/or are made to feel like drug addicted criminals when we do go to get it and 2. (Not trying to preach but) my parents taught me and my God tells me that we are all responsible for each other. So If I've at least given you something to think about, then I've said what i can so I'll stop.. I wish you alll a long, happy, healthy life..

pillpopper187
23-01-2009, 20:41
i am sitting in my basemet as i speak smoking some gel

i have been on the patch (the 25mug/h) for 6 months, my dr changed my dose to changing it to every 48 hours the other month and it works a lot better

I ALWAYS had an issue with it staying on, so i use top care brand band aids that are waterproof and have a heavy adhisive and put one on top of the patch and it keeps it dry and in place for 2-3 days. and i can buy a box of ten for $2

in regards to smoking it, there is not really a high but pain relief. I can pinch myself so hard i bleed and not feel it and there is a dizzy effect

i am on oxyirs 5mgs as needed for pain and take 2-3 at a time every now and then for breaktrhough pain

there are some downs with the patch

it reacts to heat
so when i bike or have sex, the patch gets warmed up and buy the time i am done i feel sick due to the patch releasing more fent into my system. I apply them to my left and right chest

pillpopper187
23-01-2009, 20:42
fent is a synthetic opioid, not an opiate. Just like the THC pill is nothing like smoking natural weed, because it is synthetic

shepj
24-01-2009, 09:10
So i got a hold of a 50mcg fent patch tonight and i did a search to find out how to prepare it for smoking but i couldnt find anything so i was wondering if somone experienced with smokin fent could walk me thru the process. I have opiate experience as well but have not tried fent tho. Thanks in advance

Get the gel out of the patch.. either make a pipe or use on you already have, put a glob a little under the size of a plastic bb (like airsoft) into your pipe.. I don't use direct flame, I think it works best to vaporize the shit. Drag hard.. you could prolly base it and chase the dragon fine though.

oh-pana321
24-01-2009, 17:56
fuck smoking fentanyl gel if your prescribed them. its really easy to do more than you planned, leaving you in bad withdrawals until you get your script refilled. thats the shit im going through right now, but if im lucky by next week ill have more

xyther4523
25-01-2009, 19:26
fuck smoking fentanyl gel if your prescribed them. its really easy to do more than you planned, leaving you in bad withdrawals until you get your script refilled. thats the shit im going through right now, but if im lucky by next week ill have more

I cannot express enough how true that is. i could blow thru a box of 100ug patches in a matter of hours. but if you aren't prescribed them, vaporizing them is the best way to go IMO.

Luckily, i get my refill on Duragesic (sandoz brand, fuck mylan) tm! (20 75ug patches, for 150ug/h)

Edit: BTW, smoking produces an intense high, not just pain relief. chase the dragon on tin foil, i would be to nervous to make/use a pipe, in fear of gettin the flame to close and burning the fentanyl up.

shepj
25-01-2009, 23:06
Edit: BTW, smoking produces an intense high, not just pain relief. chase the dragon on tin foil, i would be to nervous to make/use a pipe, in fear of gettin the flame to close and burning the fentanyl up.

This is gonna sound ghetto.. we made a pipe using aluminum (wrapped it around a pen, then removed the pen), then put in the fent, and vaped it completely from the bottom.

sixpartseven
25-01-2009, 23:40
fent is a synthetic opioid, not an opiate. Just like the THC pill is nothing like smoking natural weed, because it is synthetic

That's not the same thing. Opioids, by definition, are still opiates. Look it up. Also, the only "natural" opiates are codeine and morphine, so are you saying all the others are akin to taking a THC pill instead of smoking weed? If so, that's way off base.

xyther4523
26-01-2009, 05:35
This is gonna sound ghetto.. we made a pipe using aluminum (wrapped it around a pen, then removed the pen), then put in the fent, and vaped it completely from the bottom.

lol, then again smoking fent off tin foil looks ghetto, so yours couldn't possibly look worse. That would work just fine though. Once your tolerence to fentanyl goes up, forget using other opiates (or opiods). at minimum, 400mg of oxycodone isnt fun, thank god i have fentanyl. Best pain relief medicine ive had yet.

I love when im so high from fent, that my vision goes double. and i just lay back in the couch and close my eyes thinking "HOLY FUUUCK". I can't wait till my refill tm

edit: doctor office woke me up by calling me and telling me theyhave my written script for duragesic in, i can pick it up in an hour! time to get away from w/d and pain. ill probably end up burnin a few hits in the bathroom in target after i fill it..im bringin the foil and straw!

Kado420
26-01-2009, 23:01
Ive smoked fent multiple times, a couple of the times it wasent very effective. But there was one time where i just seemed to get good hits i guess, but anyway after the third hit everything went black. I woke up on the floor 3 hours later with purple scratch marks all over my body from itching. Mind you i have a large tollerence, but with this stuff it didnt seem to matter. Please be carefull is all im saying.

shepj
26-01-2009, 23:48
lol.. This is off topic.. but sketchy. Since you guys brought up tolerance.. my grandma has to take 2x 100ug/hr duragesic patches at the same time, along with 1 MSContin 100 everynight, 2 Dilaudid (4's) in the mid day, and ativan and valium. Hail to the queen.

oh-pana321
27-01-2009, 01:08
she must get constipated as a motherfucker.

its a blessing to have all those meds at your disposal, but i dont think its too great to NEED all those meds

xyther4523
10-02-2009, 14:24
"Grandma may i spend the night?"

Louder Than Love
27-04-2009, 10:10
I wish I could get even half of the feeling you guys are talking about here...

I have an endless supply of 50 and 75 ug/hr patches here....
But, they don't seem to do anything to me.
IM wearing one 75, and 3 50's right now...
And about to chew up a 50...

opiluv
29-03-2010, 00:51
I have a bunch of tiny pieces of fent.. some 100mcg and some 75mcg.. I have already had them in my mouth for like 8 hours a piece (roughly) and I tried to smoke the pieces today. It's not the gel kind so I didn't know how it would work. I used tin foil propped up between two glasses.. and then i put the patches on and held a lighter underneath for about 10 seconds. The patches started to melt and I inhaled some smoke from it.. not sure if I was just inhaling plastic or if I got some fent too.. I feel kinda dizzy.. I don't know how it worked. I think I will smoke the rest in a few minutes. Anybody have any pointers on the best way I can get the most out of these pieces? Thanks <33<3

thebluetorpedo
29-03-2010, 19:18
I have a bunch of tiny pieces of fent.. some 100mcg and some 75mcg.. I have already had them in my mouth for like 8 hours a piece (roughly) and I tried to smoke the pieces today. It's not the gel kind so I didn't know how it would work. I used tin foil propped up between two glasses.. and then i put the patches on and held a lighter underneath for about 10 seconds. The patches started to melt and I inhaled some smoke from it.. not sure if I was just inhaling plastic or if I got some fent too.. I feel kinda dizzy.. I don't know how it worked. I think I will smoke the rest in a few minutes. Anybody have any pointers on the best way I can get the most out of these pieces? Thanks <33<3

From my research, you can not smoke the patches that do not have the gel pouch. If the patches you have are the flat kind, you are smoking plastic, which is very very bad for you.

BananasAndOranges
30-03-2010, 02:27
I wish I could get even half of the feeling you guys are talking about here...

I have an endless supply of 50 and 75 ug/hr patches here....
But, they don't seem to do anything to me.
IM wearing one 75, and 3 50's right now...
And about to chew up a 50...uhhh ok this calls for a WTF?! take that shit off. you only need one of those or half at that. put a hot pad or anything that is warm on it for 2 hours you will feel a little more than something, but seriously why would you put all of those on? do you have a tolerance at all?

Pravus
09-05-2010, 07:56
I just started getting Fentanyl, 25mcg/h Watson gel patches, and I gotta say Im a bit disappointed. I actually do have quite a bit of pain due to injuries and Ive been on hydrocodone/oxycodone for YEARS and my tolerance is very high. I can take 60mg of hydrocodone/oxycodone and not even feel a tingle from from it much less a buzz, and it sure as hell doesnt kill the pain. Ive been wearing the patches like Im supposed to, taking 20mg of hydrocodone every 6 hours for breakthrough pain, but needless to say they arent doing anything. Ive been reading post after post after post trying to figure out a better way (since Ive heard they are sooooo great if used right).

After wearing my first patch for about a day and a half I removed it to take a shower and it wouldnt stick back on after I was done, so I tried just ingesting it. I squirted what was left of the gel under my tongue and let it stay there for several minutes (until my saliva had pretty much washed it away), but I really didnt get anything from that. Everything Ive been reading has said smoke it, smoke it, smoke it. But Im wondering if this is really the best way. I guess everyone wants their own personal question answered and I guess Im just one of them :P Of course overdosing scares me a little but I do know I have a very high tolerance and I know my limit, so I really dont see me doing anything TOO stupid. I just want the stuff to work.

I just dont want the patches to be a waste, and if there actually is a better way to get them to get them to work then Id really like to try it. Ive been on so many pain meds over the years and my tolerance is so high that Im running out of options. And I dont want to go back to the doc with "drug seeking behavior" because the patches really dont work for me and ask for something better.

So, any advice or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to anyone who posts a reply.

Peace guys and gals, and stay safe!

MallyX
10-05-2010, 11:06
Pravus : You don't have to take the patches off the take a shower (at least with the duragesic matrix ones - did your doctor tell you to take yours off?), doing that just means they WILL NOT stick back on, they aren't designed to. Prehaps if you need to put it back on you could use some bandaids/adhesive bandages to stick it back on your skin, but I don't know how well this will work. If you are using it for chronic pain then I would highly recommend just wearing them as perscribed, but try to get your pain doctor to increase the strength if they are as ineffective as you say.

Abusing them just means that you will run out way before you can get a refill and then you will be left with very little to actually manage your pain until your next refill is due, which would be a pain nightmare.

About the only way I can think of you getting any additional benefit without blowing through your perscibed allotment is by using little blobs of gel placed inside your mouth on your gums (bucally) from the patches you have already worn. For instance, the 25mcg/hr matrix patches have a total of 4.2Milligrams of fentanyl per patch, which is more than the patch releases in 72 hours. So once you swap patches you could use some of the leftover fent for pain relief. I wouldn't really recommend this because you can't tell how much fentanyl there is left/how much you are taking with any accuracy and it would be very easy to overdose and/or drastically increase your tolerance.

Again, I think your best shot is just pleading with your pain doctor for adaquate relief, prehaps even trying non-opioids for pain. Ketamine has been a wonder drug for me, but depending where in the world you are, it may not be perscribed. Good luck and be careful.

Pravus
10-05-2010, 12:27
Pravus : You don't have to take the patches off the take a shower (at least with the duragesic matrix ones - did your doctor tell you to take yours off?), doing that just means they WILL NOT stick back on, they aren't designed to. Prehaps if you need to put it back on you could use some bandaids/adhesive bandages to stick it back on your skin, but I don't know how well this will work. If you are using it for chronic pain then I would highly recommend just wearing them as perscribed, but try to get your pain doctor to increase the strength if they are as ineffective as you say.

Abusing them just means that you will run out way before you can get a refill and then you will be left with very little to actually manage your pain until your next refill is due, which would be a pain nightmare.

About the only way I can think of you getting any additional benefit without blowing through your perscibed allotment is by using little blobs of gel placed inside your mouth on your gums (bucally) from the patches you have already worn. For instance, the 25mcg/hr matrix patches have a total of 4.2Milligrams of fentanyl per patch, which is more than the patch releases in 72 hours. So once you swap patches you could use some of the leftover fent for pain relief. I wouldn't really recommend this because you can't tell how much fentanyl there is left/how much you are taking with any accuracy and it would be very easy to overdose and/or drastically increase your tolerance.

Again, I think your best shot is just pleading with your pain doctor for adaquate relief, prehaps even trying non-opioids for pain. Ketamine has been a wonder drug for me, but depending where in the world you are, it may not be perscribed. Good luck and be careful.

Thanks for the response. My doctor didnt actually tell me to remove the patch before a shower, but between sweating throughout the day and the moisture from the shower, they dont really stay on that well anyway. I usually have to put a piece of tape or a bandaid over it to keep it on after about 8 hours anyway.

So far the patches are very ineffective. You say the 2.5mg/h patches have a total of 4.2mg, but according to the box it says it only contains 2.5mg fentanyl and 0.1mL alcohol USP. Do they actually contain the 4.2mg but just dont state that on the box?

I did what you said, took a bit of the gel and rubbed it on my gums, didnt really get anything from this either. I know my tolerance is through the roof though. Like I said, Ive been on pain medications for years. For some reason doctors think that after 15+ years of taking pain meds like hydrocodone/oxycodone and a few others, that taking 1 5mg hydrocodone or something is supposed to just work. I wish it still did. I remember when I could take a 5mg lortab or percocet and be nodding off and have a buzz that I really didnt even like because it was too much. Now I can take 60mg of hydrocodone/oxycodone and not even feel it. It really sucks. I mean of course I like the buzz, but even more than that I just want to not hurt. I cant even sleep for more than about an hour without waking up in severe pain, sometimes it taking me several minutes just to turn over in bed because Im hurting so bad. When you tell the doctors this though they just want to slap the ol "drug seeking behavior" label on you and send you home with some tylenol. I honestly dont get it. They keep saying "You will get addicted... Narcotics are very addictive... blah blah blah" ANYTHING that works is going to be addicting for the simple fact that it takes the pain away. Dont they understand this? You give me a teaspoon of sugar and it takes my pain away Im gonna be eating the hell out of some sugar, know what I mean?

Anyway, Im rambling and I do appreciate the response. I have another doctors appointment coming up in a couple of days, gonna have to tell the doc that these patches just arent working. I honestly dont think it will do much good though, they never listen and really dont care in my opinion. Most doctors are doctors for the money, not to help people, at least from my experience.

MallyX
10-05-2010, 14:49
I think the amount of fentanyl must be different with the matrix/non matrix patches. Prehaps you could ask your doctor for the matrix-type patches (could say something like "I heard they stick better" or "I'm afraid of the gel leaking out" - whatever) if they aren't much more expensive or unavailable. Another benefit of the matrix-type patches is that they can be divided into non standard doses, you can cut them in half if your doctor wishes it, without any gel leaking out/loss of adhesive.

I've been on chronic pain medication for "only" ~3years so I understand to a certain degree what you are talking about, both concerning tolerance and concerning doctors. Regarding tolerance, prehaps you could try certain inpatient procedures like lingocain or ketamine infusions. Again the availability of treatments varies depending on geographical location (I'm in Australia), but the lingocaine may help because it can reduce pain and therefore the amount of opiates you use for up to a fortnight, which in turn may reduce your tolerance thereafter. The ketamine (either infusion or take home doses, depending on availability of routes of administration, I receive it in sublingal lozenge form) works by reducing pain and working to potentiate the effects of the opiates, but some people (including myself) feel that it also reduces tolerance to opiates.

Your relationships with your doctors is very important, because as you know if it is poor they will mistake your search for pain relief as a search for drugs, this has also happened to me. If they say you are exhibiting drug seeking behaviour to your face, tell them that they should know that the same behaviour is also exhibited by pain patients with inadequate pain relief. Also prehaps ask them questions, such as why they think you aren't in pain etc.

My advice is also to find one pain management specialist that you can forge a good working relationship with and try to receive all of your scripts from him. Not only will this save you time seeing multiple doctors, but it will also reduce the chances that you will be accussed of doctor-shopping or drug seeking behaviour because you will only be receiving medication from one doctor.

Glad to try and help

Pravus
10-05-2010, 22:03
I think the amount of fentanyl must be different with the matrix/non matrix patches. Prehaps you could ask your doctor for the matrix-type patches (could say something like "I heard they stick better" or "I'm afraid of the gel leaking out" - whatever) if they aren't much more expensive or unavailable. Another benefit of the matrix-type patches is that they can be divided into non standard doses, you can cut them in half if your doctor wishes it, without any gel leaking out/loss of adhesive.

I've been on chronic pain medication for "only" ~3years so I understand to a certain degree what you are talking about, both concerning tolerance and concerning doctors. Regarding tolerance, prehaps you could try certain inpatient procedures like lingocain or ketamine infusions. Again the availability of treatments varies depending on geographical location (I'm in Australia), but the lingocaine may help because it can reduce pain and therefore the amount of opiates you use for up to a fortnight, which in turn may reduce your tolerance thereafter. The ketamine (either infusion or take home doses, depending on availability of routes of administration, I receive it in sublingal lozenge form) works by reducing pain and working to potentiate the effects of the opiates, but some people (including myself) feel that it also reduces tolerance to opiates.

Your relationships with your doctors is very important, because as you know if it is poor they will mistake your search for pain relief as a search for drugs, this has also happened to me. If they say you are exhibiting drug seeking behaviour to your face, tell them that they should know that the same behaviour is also exhibited by pain patients with inadequate pain relief. Also prehaps ask them questions, such as why they think you aren't in pain etc.

My advice is also to find one pain management specialist that you can forge a good working relationship with and try to receive all of your scripts from him. Not only will this save you time seeing multiple doctors, but it will also reduce the chances that you will be accussed of doctor-shopping or drug seeking behaviour because you will only be receiving medication from one doctor.

Glad to try and help

I appreciate the advice. I have thought about all of this for quite a while. As I said Ive been having problems for over 15 years. To start with I had a great doctor and everything was fine for a few years. Eventually he retired though and I moved to a different state where I was able to find another good doctor. Since I have moved back to Louisiana thought I havent had very good luck. I have a primary care physician which made me go to pain management, which I didnt mind at all. The pain doctor had me on a pretty good regimend, though it still wasnt as effective as past experiences, Im assuming because my tolerance has become so high over the years. Unfortunately the pain doctor has now moved away and Im stuck going back to my primary care physician, which say straight out they are not pain management and will not deal with pain management needs. The only reason she is doing anything for me is because I am disabled and receive Medicaid (government medical insurance) and physicians who accept Medicaid are limited (Medicaid actually gives you a doctor in your area for you to go to). I have to admit I have seen many many MANY people in that clinic who are there just to try to get pain meds or xanax or something else for a buzz, and it does hurt people like me. I wont lie and say I dont like a buzz, but Id rather not hurt at all than have a buzz. When I moved back here from Texas I was on 6x10mg hydrocodone a day, which worked fairly well, although sometimes it didnt do the job either. Once back here I was immediately dropped down to 3x10mg hydrocodone a day, which needless to say was pointless. The pain doc then added a 10mg methadone a day to be taken in the morning. It helped but didnt last throughout the day, so she then added another to be taken in the evening, which put me taking 3x10mg hydrocodone and 2x10mg methadone a day. Honestly I didnt like the methadone though. I knew I was getting very addicted and so I told the doctor I have now about my feelings and she took me off of it, giving me 4x10mg hydrocodone a day. If I lay in bed and do absolutely nothing all day this might be sufficient (though I doubt it), but I do try to work and do things to keep from becoming just a blob, and doing so increases my pain. I told my doctor of this recently, told her that I understood there are people with drug seeking behavior and some people just want more. I actually told them Id like to switch to something completely different because Id been taking the hydrocodone for so many years and I didnt want to take the methadone, so thats when she told me about the fent patches. She only gave me a weeks supply (I went last week, will be going back tomorrow) and wanted me to come back in a week to see how things are doing. When she gave me the patches she cut the hydrocodone down from 4 to 3 a day though, which kinda defeats the purpose in my opinion. Add something and take away, when something just needs to be added. She talks all the time about how addictive opiates/oids/narcotics are though and she doesnt like writing them and she wants me off of them and blah blah blah. I just want to not hurt. If Flintstone vitamins made me not hurt Id be addicted as hell to them. I personally thought doctors had to have some knowledge of psychology too. For them just to point a finger and say "druggy" is just way wrong in my opinion. Yeah I know theres people just looking for a high, but some people just want to stop hurting. I was actually told "Everyone hurts sometimes, you just need to deal with it". I mean what the hell?! Deal with it? I have lymphedema in my left leg which makes it as swollen as a normal persons body, Ive ripped my left knee out of place 4 times which hurts like hell if Im up on it doing anything (if Im sitting or laying I have to change position every couple of minutes), I have disk disease of some sort in my back and spondelosis (sp?) in my lower back. Cant sleep on my back at all, cant sleep on my left side due to my leg, cant sleep on my stomach because it also hurts my back, so that leaves the right side, which causes my legs to burn down my thighs and starts hurting like hell after a few minutes. Ive been over this numerous times with them and they act like its something I need to just live with or it will go away or something. I have a friend that was in a very bad wreck some years ago and he was on all types of pain meds, including 80mg oxycontins for a while. His doctor is now giving him Subutex/Suboxone and says its the greatest thing ever invented. He said where he was taking SO much pain meds he can take one of these 2 or 3 times a day (8mg each I think) and he is good to go.

Anyway, I realize Im rambling again, just wanted to give everyone an idea of exactly what my problems are. I will certainly write these meds down that you have advised me on and talk to her about them. Also, do you really think the other patches are better than the gel ones? Ive been reading a lot on this stuff the last few days and some people say they are better, some say they arent. I know these arent doing anything that I can notice. No pain reduction, no high or buzz of any kind, nothing but irritated skin where I have the patch. Maybe a higher dosage also? Anyway, thanks for the help/advice. Maybe with everything people have been telling me I can get something worked out with my doc and not have her calling me a doper.

opiatekrzy
18-05-2010, 10:22
fuck smoking the gel, its dumb, it lasts a few minutes and the price for a patch to smoke lasts so shortly, i slap them on my arm for 72 hrs od w/d free and some euphoria, fentanyl isnt my choiice of opiate, it lacks 80% of the opiate eupphoria, its a sleeepy, itchy irritable high

Mrmdk
01-08-2010, 03:11
I was curious how I Can turn my fentanyl patch gel into powder for smoking purposes? I uses to get the ones that didnt have the gel, and i would cut a little piece off and get a nice buzz and kill all my pain for a whole day off 1/4 of a 100mcg patch putting it in my gums like chewing tobaco, Now I put a little bb size gel bump on my Camel Snus Spitless Tobacco and it seems to give me a good buzz. My question tho is how Can I extract the Fent from the Gel and make it into powder form and would this be more potent then vaporizing the gel on the foil??? Any type of informative help will be most appreciated.

Thanks guys! =D

P.S - Is it water solluble and shootable? - i dont shoot but a friend was curious.... thanks ladies and jellybeans!!

LEGALIZE TEH REEFORS!!! I HAS ALL OF YOUR BASES R BELONG TO US!!!!
I WILL KILL EVERYONE IN 10 MINUTES IF I DONT HAVE 1 MILLION DOLLARS DROPPED OFF AT- ooooooo a cookie!!!

Mrmdk
01-08-2010, 03:11
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boohnatetan
14-09-2010, 01:49
I just started getting Fentanyl, 25mcg/h Watson gel patches, and I gotta say Im a bit disappointed. I actually do have quite a bit of pain due to injuries and Ive been on hydrocodone/oxycodone for YEARS and my tolerance is very high. I can take 60mg of hydrocodone/oxycodone and not even feel a tingle from from it much less a buzz, and it sure as hell doesnt kill the pain. Ive been wearing the patches like Im supposed to, taking 20mg of hydrocodone every 6 hours for breakthrough pain, but needless to say they arent doing anything. Ive been reading post after post after post trying to figure out a better way (since Ive heard they are sooooo great if used right).

After wearing my first patch for about a day and a half I removed it to take a shower and it wouldnt stick back on after I was done, so I tried just ingesting it. I squirted what was left of the gel under my tongue and let it stay there for several minutes (until my saliva had pretty much washed it away), but I really didnt get anything from that. Everything Ive been reading has said smoke it, smoke it, smoke it. But Im wondering if this is really the best way. I guess everyone wants their own personal question answered and I guess Im just one of them :P Of course overdosing scares me a little but I do know I have a very high tolerance and I know my limit, so I really dont see me doing anything TOO stupid. I just want the stuff to work.

I just dont want the patches to be a waste, and if there actually is a better way to get them to get them to work then Id really like to try it. Ive been on so many pain meds over the years and my tolerance is so high that Im running out of options. And I dont want to go back to the doc with "drug seeking behavior" because the patches really dont work for me and ask for something better.

So, any advice or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to anyone who posts a reply.

Peace guys and gals, and stay safe!


hey a friend and i used to get 75 patches off his uncle but sometimes when he didnt have any for sale, he would sell us the one he was wearing...and it never was as potent as a brand new one...even if they have almost the same amount of gel as a new one they are never quite as potent so just leave that shit on til its evaporated...and yea smoking it or snorting it is the best way IMO,,,eating it out of a brand new one will fuck ur world up but 90% of the od's i know of have came from eating it...my bestfriends mom died with a patch still in her mouth.

ive shot it up the past 2 days and its made me sick as fuck and im talking not even a lot of it..i used to shoot it all the time and it never had that effect on me but the past 2 days it gave me cold shiver, sweats, aches, and the worst fucking headache ive ever encountered..i only shot it bc im addicted to the needle i shoot everything unless its generic

i am starting to think its a bad batch of patches something just isnt right bc ive never felt like that from iv'ing fentanyl before....anyone else ever have this happen? i used to get sick sometimes when i would shoot too much of it but i barely even did that much and its been making me feel so fucking shitty..

boohnatetan
14-09-2010, 01:57
I was curious how I Can turn my fentanyl patch gel into powder for smoking purposes? I uses to get the ones that didnt have the gel, and i would cut a little piece off and get a nice buzz and kill all my pain for a whole day off 1/4 of a 100mcg patch putting it in my gums like chewing tobaco, Now I put a little bb size gel bump on my Camel Snus Spitless Tobacco and it seems to give me a good buzz. My question tho is how Can I extract the Fent from the Gel and make it into powder form and would this be more potent then vaporizing the gel on the foil??? Any type of informative help will be most appreciated.

Thanks guys! =D

P.S - Is it water solluble and shootable? - i dont shoot but a friend was curious.... thanks ladies and jellybeans!!

LEGALIZE TEH REEFORS!!! I HAS ALL OF YOUR BASES R BELONG TO US!!!!
I WILL KILL EVERYONE IN 10 MINUTES IF I DONT HAVE 1 MILLION DOLLARS DROPPED OFF AT- ooooooo a cookie!!!



u wanna squeeze it all out on a cookie sheet and put it in the oven on about the lowest temp ur oven has until its all dried out, then scrape that shit up and u have powder. this is good for snorting, never tried smoking it or shooting it that way but i have smoked and shot it..

to smoke it the best way is just like everyone else on here said, with tin foil and a pen tube and chase the dragon...we also used to smoke it on weed but make it like a sandwich so ur not directly hitting the gel with a lighter,,,put a bud in ur pipe, gel on top of that,,then another bud on top the gel

to shoot it, squeeze a small glob onto a spoon, add about 35 cc's, mix it up good with ur plunger,,,heat it up until it starts to bubble, let it bubble just for a few seconds, then add about 5 cc's of cold water to it and mix well and suck it up and shoot it....when ur sucking it up keep the hole of ur needle facing up. and no u dont need a cotton or anything,,,also when ur heating it try to rock the spoon back in forth and keep the gel moving or it will get stuck to the spoon...when it turns white and floats thats when ur good to suck it up and shoot it....u dont need to add cold water but ive found that it just sucks up better for some reason

opiatekrzy
14-09-2010, 02:08
u csan smoke the patches without gel, transdermal, yes. you use a razor flat up and scrape the sticky adhesive off and put it on foil, it works.

baher
01-10-2011, 12:43
MYLAN FENTANYL Transdermal system 100mcg/hr patches cannot be smoked correct?

baher
01-10-2011, 12:58
I have the mylan fentanyl transdermal system 100 mcg/hr patches. I was told they are impossible to smoke and you can only smoke the gel form of fentanyl patches.

TheLostBoys
01-10-2011, 21:01
Is the high from smoking better than the high from chewing or just placing the patch directly on the skin?

comatoserct
02-10-2011, 00:31
It is possible to smoke the mylan ones, but it's much more harmful to the lungs. I used an exacto knife and scraped off the top layer and smoked that
Was coughing up balls of stuff daily when I was doing that though

Psychedelic Jay
02-10-2011, 02:02
ill probably end up burnin a few hits in the bathroom in target after i fill it..im bringin the foil and straw!

WTF are you thinking about?

effie
02-10-2011, 03:47
This is quite an old thread - I'm going to close it now, but if anyone has any specific questions about smoking fentanyl please feel free to start your own thread.

And be careful everyone please! :) <3

If anyone has any queries, feel free to shoot me a pm..