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CountSymphonic
05-05-2009, 00:29
Hexane works better? Not to be confused with Heptane... the chemical that did put someone in the hospital.

DO NOT INGEST DXM WITH SURFACTANTS IN IT!

I once read up of an article. The article claimed multiple organ failures following ingestion of surfactants... I have no idea where this article is, but please don't eat this stuff.

I don't know what kind of surfactants they were, but this should be more than enough of a "stay away from this stuff" kinda thing. Just looking out for everyone.

CountSymphonic
05-05-2009, 00:37
Google "surfactant ingestion"

Not pretty.

delta_9
05-05-2009, 00:37
Yes hexane.

Other possible options are Diethyl ether(slightly soluble in water so may lower your final yeild by as much as 10% ), toluene, and chloroform(heavier than water so it will be on the bottom layer rather than the top).

CountSymphonic
05-05-2009, 00:41
Yes hexane.

Right, I was simply curious... like I said before my last extraction lead to an abyssmal failure of a trip because of an absent minded mistake... so my chemistry days are over, I love to know things, so I can pass on information to anyone else I know who do these kinds of things.

CountSymphonic
05-05-2009, 00:43
I PM'ed him telling him not to ingest any surfactant polluted DXM... I hope I was in time. =/
Then again, I hope I didn't ruin a trip that would have otherwise gone fine!

morbiddoctor, do us a favor and check back in here so we know you're ok.

delta_9
05-05-2009, 00:52
^Yes morbiddoctor please let us know what's going on :)

morbiddoctor
05-05-2009, 01:11
DO NOT INGEST DXM WITH SURFACTANTS IN IT!

I once read up of an article. The article claimed multiple organ failures following ingestion of surfactants... I have no idea where this article is, but please don't eat this stuff.

too bad you dont know where you read it. i just thought it was kind of odd that out of all the TEK's out there, there wasnt one that had a disclaimer against it or any negative posts about human ingestion of them.

like i said, unless there is a way to get them out, this will be a practice batch. if you find that article, can you forward it?

thanks for the concern.

btw, i disappeared to take a shower. im fine, my dreads were getting dandruffy. solutions are one step from crystals ATM. so no, i didnt ingest them. if i would have found an ammonia without surfactant in it, believe me, i would've grabbed it. i dont have a car though so i only had a few places around with options. i will do more hunting though.

after further reading ive found that there are many different surfactants out there. as stated before, we do not know what is in the one i have though. i am going to go ahead with crystallization for experience purposes. i also sent a message to the manufacturer that wasn't too suspicious just trying to get more info.

CountSymphonic
05-05-2009, 18:29
too bad you dont know where you read it. i just thought it was kind of odd that out of all the TEK's out there, there wasnt one that had a disclaimer against it or any negative posts about human ingestion of them.

like i said, unless there is a way to get them out, this will be a practice batch. if you find that article, can you forward it?

thanks for the concern.

btw, i disappeared to take a shower. im fine, my dreads were getting dandruffy. solutions are one step from crystals ATM. so no, i didnt ingest them. if i would have found an ammonia without surfactant in it, believe me, i would've grabbed it. i dont have a car though so i only had a few places around with options. i will do more hunting though.

after further reading ive found that there are many different surfactants out there. as stated before, we do not know what is in the one i have though. i am going to go ahead with crystallization for experience purposes. i also sent a message to the manufacturer that wasn't too suspicious just trying to get more info.

Go to google and look at the first few links that pop up under that search.
Good to hear you're playing it safe too.

As far as the legality of extraction and ingestion of this stuff.... I don't think anyone really cares. When my incident happened where I thought I ingested ammonia, well a cop showed up, quite a few of them actually... along with paramedics. I told them EVERYTHING, showed them the by products of the extraction, even showed them the guide... All they did was laugh and call me and my 'tripping partner' idiots. It was the biggest wtf for all of them. They did not even press charges or anything. It was funny afterwards but I was pretty terrified at the time.

morbiddoctor
05-05-2009, 19:26
ya, i looked at a whole bunch yesterday and it led me to more info. according to wikipedia there are several classifications of surfactants, all used in different products and sometimes in conjunction with others. if the manufacturer lets me know whats in them, i'll look them up and see what/if toxicity exists.

i sure can imagine the terror. i had to tell my friend to get my mom to call medics because i thought i overdosed. im pretty sure i almost did. either that or i hit fourth plateau in a way that made me feel like my first OD. scary shit.

babyshaw
16-06-2009, 21:50
I am trying this extraction, but have hit a snag.
I've wanted to try the extraction for a long time now, but this is the first time I've actually had the time to do it!
My original mistake may have been using Buckley's Cough (it was the only syrup I could find with no guaifenesin and a high DXM content), and because Buckley's is white it is kinda hard to tell where the ammonia layer ends and the naphtha begins. In addition to that small inconvenience my naphtha layer is cloudy! Could it be that I did not add enough naphtha to fully dissolve the DXM? As I write this there is a precipitate falling to the bottom of the flask, but i let the mix settle over night, so there should be no ammonia in the naphtha layer..?
Any advise before I throw it all away?

jiffilube
08-08-2009, 07:23
I have a bottle of lemon scented ammonia, would using that cause any problems? Also I have a gallon container of Coleman Fuel, that's probably what I'm going to use. Would it be in my best interest to evaporate some first and see if it leaves any significant residue?

SHROOMS!!!
03-09-2009, 22:39
Why hexane? What about Toluene instead? Does anyone know what DXM HBr is more solubile in?

And dont use either as DXM HBr is not very soluble in either at all.

dread
05-09-2009, 02:17
The point of the extraction is converting the DXM HBr into DXM freebase before using the nonpolar solvent to extract it from the cough syrup.

Toluene is a heavy aromatic solvent which takes ages to evaporate. Hexane, heptane and other light aliphatic solvents evaporate quickly.

Billy Mays
23-09-2009, 02:13
With the delsym extraction, you get the DXM polistirex. I would like to make pure dxm powder. I heard you can add some lemon juice or something acidic to the extracted powder and it will remove the plastic coating.

How long should one soak the DMX in the acidic liquid, and if I let it sit or blowdry it, should I theoretically have pure DXM power after all is said and done?

I've been wanting to try DMX as long as I can remember, and I want to do it the right way, ya feel me?

frostblade10
24-09-2009, 23:32
I hope people are still following this thread.

I spend the last 5 hours driving around Seattle and other cities around it looking for Ammonia with no surfactant. No luck. Every clear, non-sudsy Ammonia either has surfactant or it didn't even have an 'Ingredients' section on the label.

Is it against the rules for someone to either PM or reply a link to a website that sells it? Like a lab supplies website?

I bought everything else though, Haphtha, razor blades, a bulk pack of quart mason jars, scissors, a tiny shot's worth bottle of Smirnoff vodka, and 4 4oz bottles of DXM-only syrup.

Can't wait to do this but i'm pissed that I just spend like 25-35 bucks on everything else and no ammonia.

:X

EDIT: Oh and btw, hi everyone! new to the forums! It's a great resource indeed!

colors
24-09-2009, 23:43
With the delsym extraction, you get the DXM polistirex. I would like to make pure dxm powder. I heard you can add some lemon juice or something acidic to the extracted powder and it will remove the plastic coating.

a bunch of us were brainstorming/experimenting with this a while back but we couldn't figure out a foodsafe way to defeat the poli. it's not just a 'coating', thats part of the problem. if you figure it out, let us know.
discussion here (http://bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=6659801)

dread
25-09-2009, 01:01
looking for Ammonia with no surfactant. No luck.

You want ammonia for basifying cough syrup? Don't bother. You can easily do it with soda ash.

Take some baking soda, stick it in the oven at 200 celsius (figure it out if your oven prefers fahrenheits) for 2 hours, and you have soda ash. This can be used to basify the syrup just as well as ammonia.

frostblade10
25-09-2009, 17:52
EDIT: I tried to PM you Dread but I need to be a "Bluelighter"

Hey man, thanks for the reply. The use of baking soda would be MUCH easier than finding surfactant free ammonia.

1. How much baking soda "ash" would I need for the ammount of syrup? I will be extracting from 16oz of tussin, so there is a possibility of 1200mg of DXM.
2. Does using baking soda ash have a smaller or large yield than ammonia?
3. Is using baking soda ash safer than ammonia?
4. Are the fumes when making the ash (and opening the oven door) toxic?
5. Will making it mess up my oven in anyway?

EDIT: One final question

1. Can I use Sodium Hydroxide instead of baking soda? I believe they are similar, though, I thought i would ask.

200 c is 392 fahrenheit. Would 395 be okay or should i do 390?

Thanks buddy

-frostblade10

frostblade10
25-09-2009, 21:56
Okay so, I found out after much research that ACE Hardware has the right kind of Ammonia with no surfactants. Annoyingly, it was the first place i checked before I drove for a few hours.

I'm going to try the extraction tonight. I would totally do it now i'm getting a new water line put in, so no water atm.

I think I read that there is a 90% yield doing it this way. Does that number go up the more times i "naphtha bath" the syrup?

I will be extracting from 4 4oz bottles so i hope to trip balls.

I've downed 4 bottles of the gelcaps before and i was so far gone that it felt like a dream.

Pink Floyd and Coldplay are the majority of my trip playlist. Echoes by Pink Floyd is always the starter.

frostblade10
26-09-2009, 00:58
Ok, so far, I have the first of two jars of the concoction trifecta draining from a ziplock bag.

I cut a tiny hole in the bag so it's gonna take about 5 minutes until it gets to the DXM layer.

The first bag i put the concoction in had leaks in BOTH corners... of course, right?

I took a drop that stayed behind when i had to change bags and put it in a small soy sauce dish and it looked to leave only small crystals or some sort of non-sticky leftover.

I've drained the first two bags into my 11"x15" Pyrex casserole dish.

I have decided to take the red syrup/ammonia waste and put more naphtha in it to milk it for all its worth. I'm too lazy to do it a third time and with 4x4oz tussin bottles to start with, I think ill be ok. I will be taking all of the extract in a shot of Smirnoff Vodka.

armyfunk89
26-09-2009, 10:23
also a very quick method to dry the final product in record time...put a pot of water on the stove, set to med-high, take glass dish and put on top of the pot so the steam hits the bottem of the plate. Use a bigger dish then the pot so you can move it around. try to keep an even layer; whatever thickness of liquid you have in your dish ;as it's drying .

frostblade10
26-09-2009, 15:25
Good idea. I left it outside for like 8 hours and some crystals have formed on the surface. It's cold outside tho, maybe 40-45f.

At the momemt i've put it directly on my stove top at simmer level.

My stupid Pyrex dish that I have it in is higher in the center so i can never get a completely even level, also my house is slightly tipped to one side haha.

I'll try the water thing now.

...........

The steam trick is working wonderfully. The Naphtha is almost all evaporated and the menthol smell is intense! The whole thing is nicely coated with crystals. I think it will take me a while to scrape it all up and into a shot glass.

The menthol smell was easy to spot because it pretty much smells just like the original cough syrup. I've also tasted it many a time after puking up 3 bottles worth of gelcaps.

I'm in the process of scraping my large dish of the DXM free base. I've got a nice snowy white pile now.

---------------

Well, I've downed it all. That stuff is gross... The most bitter thing i've ever ingested. I chased the DXM shot with some chugs of Limeade so there's even more citric acid to activate the DXM.

If I dont die, I'll report back with how much trip went.

armyfunk89
26-09-2009, 22:29
also drying this way and it being so fast you can use more napatha to extract everyy little bit of dxm out of it. All the napatha evaporates anyway and only so much dxm can be attached to a certain amount of napatha. so the more u use the more you get. Still partially trippen from dosing at 10 last night, it is now 428, felt very much like an excatsy trip....love it

frostblade10
27-09-2009, 06:28
Here's my trip report. Stuff worked like a charm and the instructions worked perfectly.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=464041

Oh and since it was never mentioned, use DISTILLED water when washing your Naphtha. Also, put a little bit of distilled water in the tussin bottles and shake them to get out all of the good stuff.

ticklepickler
06-10-2009, 12:13
so i did everything the tek said except used v&m naptha which i think is pure and sucrets lozenges which i turned into syrup.
im at the final stage but the clear naptha top layer is a white frothy layer. i used pure ammonia and the only ingredient in the lozenges was sugar and dxm...
any ideas?

Rizzen
07-10-2009, 03:53
Haha

This reminds me not to EVER make any sort of extraction while intoxicated on other drugs.

Few months ago, I was rolling, and I found like 5 8 oz Equate Tussins DM. I decided to extract them [?]. Anyway... I used Lemon Agent Method, where you use Lemon Juice, Naptha, and Amonia. Basically I drank 4 oz of naptha/dxm/lemon juice. I cooked the bottom part [last step, extract naphta from lemon juice [top part]], and drank it... I got high, but ....... [B]NOT recommended...

---Rizzen

ticklepickler
07-10-2009, 09:24
so i let sit for almost 24 hours and no bubbbles popped or disappeared. my ammonia ingredients are soft water and ammonium hydroxide. when i shook the bottles a few bubble formed at the top but they looked like air bubbles then disappeared. specifically it says pure and non detergent. is there a possibility that i didnt use enough naptha or water rinse it well enough? or perhaps there is something wrong with using tap water throughout the process or specifically when i turned the lozenges into syrup. maybe it was the lozenges themselves even though they are pure dxm with sugar only. i would really appreciate input since this is just baffling me...:\
thanks!

frostblade10
11-10-2009, 01:36
I would think that the sugar could have done it.

Why not just use plain old tussin?

Reverand84
16-01-2010, 23:41
how do i do the cold water extraction?

Delsyd
17-01-2010, 21:48
[DXM Subthread] DXM Freebase Extraction step by step (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=289005)

Philios
22-06-2010, 16:58
Can you store pure DXM-powder long term (years)?

If so, how? Airtight, dry, inert, freezer...?

morbiddoctor
05-07-2010, 06:18
I tried an extraction last year about this time but gave up when I ran into a problem. The ammonia I was using had a surfactant in it and as I didn't know what that was and no one else knew at the time I quit. Now I would like to do it again.

Does anyone know if this is a problem or where I can have more luck with another ammonia brand? I would really like to have some success with this. I'm willing to Try another method as well if there are any reccomendations. I'm using the ammonia/naphtha/robo dm method.

Thanks :)

morbiddoctor
16-07-2010, 10:58
Seriously? No one?

morbiddoctor
05-08-2010, 07:04
There has to be SOMEONE who knows.

greenmeanies
05-08-2010, 09:17
a surfactant [soap] is a problem because it will make your naptha and water layers miscible so you can never separate them.

find 'janitorial strength' ammonia or use lye instead, but you will have to carefully add lye so you don't make the solution too basic (and destroy your yield)

alexvolume2
05-08-2010, 15:54
Significant enough to mention that even though everyone says no CCC because of the CPM, hear me out...I was thinking that since 1 pill = 4mg CPM, 30mg DXM Hbr that the small amount of CPM may be the red coating that comes off if you've ever gotten them wet. I then saw a single post regarding washing the coating off and decided to try it. I used very hot running water and rinsed off all the red coating, put in a glass and dosed w/ water. I had used to use CCC and this trip was definitely just DXM as I am very experienced with the substance. I have reason to believe that all or possibly just most of the CPM is gone with this method, but I am not a chemist so this should probably be further investigated by someone with the knowledge to assess this 'tek' before people actually do this. Don't try this if you don't know what you're doing...CPM is dangerous in large dosages. This may reduce harm since many people may well fuck up extractions and leave solvents whereas this seems easier.

strangedays_indeed
13-08-2010, 02:56
hello there.

anyone lurking this thread with knowledge please respond to this.

im experienced with A/B DXM freebase salt extractions. ive used the 'single phase acid/base extraction' erowid tek by william white in the DXM FAQ many times and have a 95% understanding about how to do it and get good yields (ie. white crystals with all solvent disolved off, very dry crystals, strong effects, etc.).


so, to get to the point, heh.


the major grey area in the tek is about how much NaOH to basify the syrup once you've washed inactives out.

(# Add one tablespoon (15ml) of sodium hydroxide solution to the two-liter bottle. You should see a rapid formation of a milky precipitate. Swirl the bottle gently to mix the syrup evenly, and the precipitate should redissolve (because there's not enough base yet).
# Repeat the above step, until the precipitate doesn't redissolve with swirling. The entire solution should be cloudy (stir well to make sure the base is evenly distributed).
# Add one more tablespoon (15ml) of sodium hydroxide solution to the bottle. )


OBVIOUS FLAWS/GROUNDS TO CONFUSE ME

~ the tek says to create a basified DH20 solution with ONE TEASPOON of NaOH and one cup of DH20. this already seems kind of weak to me to basify all that syrup.
~ then it says add more NaOH solution until 'precipitate doesn't redissolve with swirling.' ok makes sense, it will be cloudy when its fully basified. got it.

so basically (PUNNY), if im using a larger amount of syrup gunk for an extraction, lets say 4 8 oz bottles so 32 oz total, i would want to make a STRONGER base dh20 mix, to basify all the syrup...

i think i may have answered my own question but im still going to post ~~~~

peace

morbiddoctor
13-08-2010, 23:39
a surfactant [soap] is a problem because it will make your naptha and water layers miscible so you can never separate them.

find 'janitorial strength' ammonia or use lye instead, but you will have to carefully add lye so you don't make the solution too basic (and destroy your yield)

I thought so. I've been having an extremely difficult time finding the correct ammonia and as I said, have been looking for over a year. Not having much luck online either. I may have found some yesterday but I'm not to hopeful of it. No surfactant and only ingrediants were ammoniom hydroxide and soft water, whatever that means. When shaken, it produced bubbles that looked like suds but also like regular air bubbles. Can't be sure though. I did take some crappy pictures if it'll help. Just wish someone would point me in the right direction.

I'm not to keen on lye to extract this. I could use a different tek but not sure which one is easy and cheap. If it helps, I plan on doing a few other extractions of other chemicles. Maybe I can buy similar ingrediants?

strangedays_indeed
15-08-2010, 22:25
use NaOH . so much simpler than these ammonia teks ~ !

morbiddoctor
15-08-2010, 22:28
And can I just replace the ammonia with the NaOH? Or...

strangedays_indeed
19-08-2010, 06:14
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_chemistry.shtml#toc.11.1


pretty easy imho

morbiddoctor
22-08-2010, 06:25
That does sound really easy. I have all the materials except the NaOH, syrup and mask. Hopeully I can find the mask and NaOH locally. That's been my problem with the ammonia.

spaceroach
23-01-2011, 08:38
So I was reading about the Delsym Water Extraction, could one follow up on this with hcl to convert the polistirex? Wouldn't that be way safer than fracking around with naptha & ammonia?*



*Spaceroach is not a scientist, or a doctor, or anyone else that may use their brain for a living. His knowledge of chemistry consists of what little information gleaned through a drug fog during Grade 11 science class over a decade ago - ie. "things are made of atoms". Always take Spaceroach with a grain of salt.

thirtenthrose
09-02-2011, 14:03
is it possible to open the Robitussin Gel caps and pour the liquids into a drink?

Disconnect
06-03-2011, 11:58
Giving the a/b extraction a try, and using 3 molar NaOH as base and diethyl ether as the non polar solvent.

Just wondering a few things before i start my first extraction.

1. So for one bottle (600mg of DXM.HBR) youd need 1.703x10^-3 mol to nuetralize the acid?
would a more dilute base be recommended or just as long as the its enough to neutralize.
2.Would excess base react with the DXM and would it stay in the aqueous (syrup) or organic (ether) layers?
3.Due to diethyl ethers slight water solubility, would allowing a longer time for the layers to form help with the yield? Or will the layers stay slightly indistinct?
4.How much diethyl ether per batch?
5.Would multiple ether washes help with yield?

Thanks for any help

xbLeAcHx
07-03-2011, 09:36
Okay, i've extracted dxm a few times, and some other things.

the first time I tried to extract dxm with ammonia it didn't work cuz i used CLEAR AMMONIA from walmart but it really has surfactants. The surfactants will cause an emulsion that you cannot seperate. I use janitorial strength ammonia from ace hardware, it has no surfactants is just 10% ammonia which does not foam at all when shaken. I have used this ammonia to extract dxm many times, I have kept it as a freebase as well as making the HCL salt of dxm. I have gotten freebase snow white kindof a waxy powder...the hcl was usually offwhite crystals but can burn easily and turn yellowish if you use the oven to evaporate the HCL/water.

you could use NaOH for your base (its certainly strong enough) as long as the syrup doesn't have guafenesin...i have heard sodium carbonate works too but cannot say with certainty that carbonate works. I know ammonia works from personal experience, and i know NaOH would work.


As for you questions:

1. i don't think it has to be that complicated with molar equations and shit...i'm too lazy for that, you just need a sufficiently high ph to cause the dxm to precipiated out as the freebase which you will see as the solution getting cloudy...and stay that way. I think a ph of 9 or more is suffient for dxm

2. excess base will stay in the aqeuous layer as it is not soluble in your nonpolar solvent. doing subsequent water washes on your organic layer with clean water will remove any leftover caustic soda that might have made it into your organic layer.

3. I honestly cannot say for sure..I wouldn't use diethyl ether, it's more expensive, and more dangerous...especially when you are trying to evaporate it. I would use naptha, or colemans fuel (basically naptha with blue dye), toluene or xylene...i've used naptha to great success and it seperates perfectly. Starter fluid is not pure diethyl ether...its usually more heptane than ether anyway. If you use ether just be careful and if you're worried about the slight water solublility...do several pulls on your aqueous phase and combine them...anything leftover would be diluted out if that makes any sense.

4. You just need enough organic solvent to make about a half inch layer or so...its not that critical with the amount i've never used any exact measurements of the solvent..dxm freebase is quite soluble in nonpolar organic solvents so you won't need as much solvent as syrup/aqueous layer.

5. Yes you can do multiple pulls with your organic solvent on your aqeous phase and continue to pull dex out.


Once you seperate your organic layer you can wash it with clean water (preferably distilled but i use tap water) and seperate discarding the water. You can do this one or more times. DXM as freebase is water insoluble so the water will just pull out any water soluble junk. You might not care how clean you get it...thats up to you but if you want a clean white dxm extract you should wash your organic layer with water several times.

You can stop here and evaporate your organic solvent and be left with hopefully white crystals of waxy dxm freebase. DXM freebase still tastes bad but not as bad as the salt because the freebase isn't water soluble.

If you wanna go further and make the salt you could either make an acid pump and gas it out with hcl gas, or make a dilute aqueous solution of HCL and shake this together with the organic solvent, then seperate...this time keeping the aqueous (bottom) layer. If you use aqeuous hcl you can wash this with some clean nonpolar solvent to further remove junk and seperate again, discarding the organic solvent. Then you must evaporate the water/acid. From my personal experience you want to use as little acid as possible to salt out your dxm into the aqueous layer (i always use like a capful which is way too much) because when you evaporate it in the oven or microwave or whatever it will release white HCL fumes which will make it impossible to be in the vicinity unless you have good ventilation. I'm sure you could use alot of other acids but the thing about hcl is if you use too much it escapes as a gas when the water evaporates so you don't have to do a lot of math to make sure you don't end up with excess acid in the product.

DXM HCl hits very hard but is the nastiest, foulest tasting shit i have ever tasted. You think zicam tastes like shit...well this shit makes that seem like nothing. DO NOT do it any other way than oral or you will regret it...the crystals look like you could use several other routes of administration with them but you don't want to do that.

kev1n
19-09-2011, 18:15
I've been reading up on DXM and hope to try the Sucrets extraction. I have not found Sucrets available in bags as suggested in the instructions for extraction. However, would these be alright to use and leave you with just pure dxm after the extraction? http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n197/lockngroove/SucretsLozenges.jpg Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

Tryptamine420
17-01-2012, 22:54
So i want to do an acid/base extraction. But the only syrups i can find that i wouldnt need to buy 5-7 bottles of in order to get the intended dose have alcohol as an inactive ingredient. (1.4percent) My question is will the alcohol in the syrup screw up the extraction somehow or is it okay to go through with it? Id really hate to waste my money so any info on this will be appreciated.

shimazu
12-04-2012, 22:17
has anyone ever extracted DXM out of cough syrup? I'm just curious because I remember reading about Agent Lemon years ago and only recently remembered it after seeing DXM so much on this site. I have tried robo tripping once with straight cough syrup but it was kind of meh for me. Anyone who has made Agent Lemon I would greatly appreciate their opinions. And I know you can get pure DXM from RC vendors but I dont trust those websites and they all seem kind of pricey.

Albion
12-04-2012, 22:32
Moving from OD - PD