PAWS, in my mind, is the biggest challenge, and I feel gets people back on introducing opiates back into the brain to alleviate the symptoms. PAWS, for me, was really harder than acute WDs. Not AS devastating, but in its own way, insidious. I used Kratom to get off Fent last year, and it was a godsend. I did taper off off Kratom, and in the end, I think many people think that the symptoms they feel are WDs from Kratom, which they may be, but may also be remaining PAWS symptoms from the opiate you were getting off to begin with. Why? Because sometimes, the PAWS can go on for months after actute wd's. It did for me. In fact, I think that on some days, I feel elevated anxiety, depression, uneasiness, etc., that are PAWS that re-surface for various reason, some neurochemical. It takes a LONG time to get your brain back on line and your neurotransmitter systems back in order after fucking with them for long periods. It's one thing any long-term drug user begins to understand the longer they're in the game. It's why relapses are just so, so common. No one likes feeling like shit. And having a brain that's depleted of serotonin or dopamine or there is an issue with reuptake or whatever makes for feeling really shitty. But...things can and do get better. I have found that in the end, opiates are the biggest traitor or all the drugs. All the promises, all the euphoria, and the feeling good is all replaced by misery and suffering when you simply have a brain that's not regulating neurotransmitters, and the "good" that you felt becomes harder and harder to find. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it's just that simple; you fuck with your brain, it fucks with you back. You can get away with this and that, early on, but no one plays the opiate game without paying a heavy price sooner or later. It's inevitable. Again, it's why the world is filled with opiate addicts. And remember...we all did it to ourselves, me included. Good luck, and you'll get there if you are strong and remember that jumping back on the opiate bandwagon only ensure one thing...a future date with withdrawals. Period. End of story. I had a chance to get some Dilaudid not long ago, and I passed. I saw nothing but a few weeks of fun and many months of misery in that future, when I would have to stop or supply got cut off. So, I passed. I ain't perfect, but I don't need to have myself anxious, depressed, not sleeping, unmotivated, all that, for a little opiate fun.