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Why Socialism? By Albert Einstein (a must read)

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From Monthly Review, New York, May, 1949.
[Re-printed in Ideas and Opinions by Albert Einstein]
Transcribed by Lenny Gray


Is it advisable for one who is not an expert on economic and social issues to express views on the subject of socialism? I believe for a number of reasons that it is.

Let us first consider the question from the point of view of scientific knowledge. It might appear that there are no essential methodological differences between astronomy and economics: scientists in both fields attempt to discover laws of general acceptability for a circumscribed group of phenomena in order to make the interconnection of these phenomena as clearly understandable as possible. But in reality such methodological differences do exist. The discovery of general laws in the field of economics is made difficult by the circumstance that observed economic phenomena are often affected by many factors which are very hard to evaluate separately. In addition, the experience which has accumulated since the beginning of the so-called civilized period of human history has -- as is well known -- been largely influenced and limited by causes which are by no means exclusively economic in nature. For example, most of the major states of history owed their existence to conquest. The conquering peoples established themselves, legally and economically, as the privileged class of the conquered country. They seized for themselves a monopoly of the land ownership and appointed a priesthood from among their own ranks. The priests, in control of education, made the class division of society into a permanent institution and created a system of values by which the people were thenceforth, to a large extent unconsciously, guided in their social behavior.

But historic tradition is, so to speak, of yesterday; nowhere have we really overcome what Thorstein Veblen called "the predatory phase" of human development. The observable economic facts belong to that phase and even such laws as we can derive from them are not applicable to other phases. Since the real purpose of socialism is precisely to overcome and advance beyond the predatory phase of human development, economic science in its present state can throw little light on the socialist society of the future.

Second, socialism is directed toward a social-ethical end. Science, however, cannot create ends and, even less, instill them in human beings; science, at most, can supply the means by which to attain certain ends. But the ends themselves are conceived by personalities with lofty ethical ideals and -- if these ends are not stillborn, but vital and vigorous -- are adopted and carried forward by those many human beings who, half-unconsciously, determine the slow evolution of society.

For these reasons, we should be on our guard not to overestimate science and scientific methods when it is a question of human problems; and we should not assume that experts are the only ones who have a right to express themselves on questions affecting the organization of society.

Innumerable voices have been asserting for some time now that human society is passing through a crisis, that its stability has been gravely shattered. It is characteristic of such a situation that individuals feel indifferent or even hostile toward the group, small or large, to which they belong. In order to illustrate my meaning, let me record here a personal experience. I recently discussed with an intelligent and well-disposed man the threat of another war, which in my opinion would seriously endanger the existence of mankind, and I remarked that only a supranational organization would offer protection from that danger. Thereupon my visitor, very calmly and coolly, said to me: "Why are you so deeply opposed to the disappearance of the human race?"

I am sure that as little as a century ago no one would have so lightly made a statement of this kind. It is the statement of a man who has striven in vain to attain an equilibrium within himself and has more or less lost hope of succeeding. It is the expression of a painful solitude and isolation from which so many people are suffering in these days. What is the cause? Is there a way out?

It is easy to raise such questions, but difficult to answer them with any degree of assurance. I must try, however, as best I can, although I am very conscious of the fact that our feelings and strivings are often contradictory and obscure and that they cannot be expressed in easy and simple formulas.

Man is, at one and the same time, a solitary being and a social being. As a solitary being, he attempts to protect his own existence and that of those who are closest to him, to satisfy his personal desires, and to develop his innate abilities. As a social being, he seeks to gain the recognition and affection of his fellow human beings, to share in their pleasures, to comfort them in their sorrows, and to improve their conditions of life. Only the existence of these varied, frequently conflicting strivings accounts for the special character of a man, and their specific combination determines the extent to which an individual can achieve an inner equilibrium and can contribute to the well-being of society. It is quite possible that the relative strength of these two drives is, in the main, fixed by inheritance. But the personality that finally emerges is largely formed by the environment in which a man happens to find himself during his development, by the structure of the society in which he grows up, by the tradition of that society, and by its appraisal of particular types of behavior. The abstract concept "society" means to the individual human being the sum total of his direct and indirect relations to his contemporaries and to all the people of earlier generations. The individual is able to think, feel, strive, and work by himself; but he depends so much upon society -- in his physical, intellectual, and emotional existence -- that it is impossible to think of him, or to understand him, outside the framework of society. It is "society" which provides man with food, clothing, a home, the tools of work, language, the forms of thought, and most of the content of thought; his life is made possible through the labor and the accomplishments of the many millions past and present who are all hidden behind the small word "society."

It is evident, therefore, that the dependence of the individual upon society is a fact of nature which cannot be abolished -- just as in the case of ants and bees. However, while the whole life process of ants and bees is fixed down to the smallest detail by rigid, hereditary instincts, the social pattern and interrelationships of human beings are very variable and susceptible to change. Memory, the capacity to make new combinations, the gift of oral communication have made possible developments among human beings which are not dictated by biological necessities. Such developments manifest themselves in traditions, institutions, and organizations; in literature; in scientific and engineering accomplishments; in works of art. This explains how it happens that, in a certain sense, man can influence his life through his own conduct, and that in this process conscious thinking and wanting can play a part.

Man acquires at birth, through heredity, a biological constitution which we must consider fixed and unalterable, including the natural urges which are characteristic of the human species. In addition, during his lifetime, he acquires a cultural constitution which he adopts from society through communication and through many other types of influences. It is this cultural constitution which, with the passage of time, is subject to change and which determines to a very large extent the relationship between the individual and society Modern anthropology has taught us, through comparative investigation of so-called primitive cultures, that the social behavior of human beings may differ greatly, depending upon prevailing cultural patterns and the types of organization which predominate in society. It is on this that those who are striving to improve the lot of man may ground their hopes: human beings are not condemned, because of their biological constitution, to annihilate each other or to be at the mercy of a cruel, self-inflicted fate.

If we ask ourselves how the structure of society and the cultural attitude of man should be changed in order to make human life as satisfying as possible, we should constantly be conscious of the fact that there are certain conditions which we are unable to modify. As mentioned before, the biological nature of man is, for all practical purposes, not subject to change. Furthermore, technological and demographic developments of the last few centuries have created conditions which are here to stay. In relatively densely settled populations with the goods which are indispensable to their continued existence, an extreme division of labor and a highly centralized productive apparatus are absolutely necessary. The time -- which, looking back, seems so idyllic -- is gone forever when individuals or relatively small groups could be completely self-sufficient. It is only a slight exaggeration to say that mankind constitutes even now a planetary community of production and consumption.

I have now reached the point where I may indicate briefly what to me constitutes the essence of the crisis of our time. It concerns the relationship of the individual to society. The individual has become more conscious than ever of his dependence upon society. But he does not experience this dependence as a positive asset, as an organic tie, as a protective force, but rather as a threat to his natural rights, or even to his economic existence. Moreover, his position in society is such that the egotistical drives of his make-up are constantly being accentuated, while his social drives, which are by nature weaker, progressively deteriorate. All human beings, whatever their position in society, are suffering from this process of deterioration. Unknowingly prisoners of their own egotism, they feel insecure, lonely, and deprived of the naive, simple, and unsophisticated enjoyment of life. Man can find meaning in life, short and perilous as it is, only through devoting himself to society.

The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor -- not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that the means of production -- that is to say, the entire productive capacity that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional capital goods -- may legally be, and for the most part are, the private property of individuals.

For the sake of simplicity, in the discussion that follows I shall call "workers" all those who do not share in the ownership of the means of production -- although this does not quite correspond to the customary use of the term. The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. In so far as the labor contract is "free," what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists' requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product.

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of the smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

The situation prevailing in an economy based on the private ownership of capital is thus characterized main principles: first, means of production (capital) are privately owned and the owners dispose of them as they see fit; second, the labor contract is free. Of course, there is no such thing as a pure capitalist society in this sense. In particular, it should be noted that the workers, through long and bitter political struggles, have succeeded in securing a somewhat improved form of the "free labor contract" for certain categories of workers. But taken as a whole, the present-day economy does not differ much from "pure" capitalism.

Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an "army of unemployed" almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers' goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.

This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

Nevertheless, it is necessary to remember that a planned economy is not yet socialism. A planned economy as such may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual. The achievement of socialism requires the solution of some extremely difficult socio-political problems: how is it possible, in view of the far-reaching centralization of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all-powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected and therewith a democratic counterweight to the power of bureaucracy be assured?
 
crucially fucking important:

A planned economy as such may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual. The achievement of socialism requires the solution of some extremely difficult socio-political problems: how is it possible, in view of the far-reaching centralization of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all-powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected and therewith a democratic counterweight to the power of bureaucracy be assured?

viva la anarchisma. :)

ebola
 
Okay, stop me if i am wrong. (and i very well might be, I have a very limited knowledge of government)

Socialism relys on everyone in the community to contribue their services, and in return, they get the same pay, food, shelter, etc.

The first problem of this type of gov is the absence of motivation to excel at certain occupations. For example, if a factory worker and a doctor get the same pay, why bother being a doctor? Other than the thought of patriotism. i.e: becoming a doctor for the sole purpose of helping out the government and the community.

The 2nd problem we are faced is the amount of trust put on a very small % of the population. Although power doesn't always lead to corruption, it can easily corrupt and we have seen this happen throughout history. Without people checking up on our leaders all the time, there is much room for corruption.
 
these are some comments i made on another board about this subject.

a democratic collectivist society that relies on the central marxists principles of state controlled buisness/industry, but avoiding trying force equality for all people as communists have done. if people are paid according to how hard their work is and how specialised their work is, while ensuring that everybodies needs are met. in this way, people can still get ahead in society but only if they are willing to put in the extra work. the same basic structure of the economy exists, but rather than have taxes the government simply uses business profits to run the society.
if people still get direct benifiets from their work, and see benefiets to be gained from hard work they maintain their motivation. whereas people can still satisfy their greed with a consumerist economy. simply trying to subscribe to a communist, capitalist, socialist or any other ideology does not work they were created in a different era in different circumstances. governments should be more dynamic rather than just adopting one ideology.



the problem with communism and capatalism.
first things first, i think neither of these systems work. communism is inherently better than capatalism, in my opinion, because it has a direct goal of supplying everybody with what they need to survive. whereas capatalism trys to fullfill everybodies wants which are clearly unlimitedand can only be fullfilled at the expense of others. i think communism fails because it dose not account for human greed, and the natural desire to want to be ahead of the pack. this is also the reason past communist states have failed, because to establish a communist society power must be stripped from those who have most of it which means the state has inherently unstable foundations due to resentment from those who have lost power. i think this is why alot of communist states have resorted to totalitarianism in an attempt to stabilise the country, but usually just breeds more resentment.

capatalism on the other hand is more stable because the traditional oligarchical structure of society does not change, but capatalism increases the gap between the strata's of society because those with the most power are in the best position to increase their power, usually always at the expense of the working/lower class and thus magnifies natural divisions in society. personally i think that trying to fullfill the wants of a few at the expense of many is an unrealistic, inhumane goal for a society to have.

nearly every communist state has failed because it has resorted to totalitarianism to control dissent, because forcing equality on all people simply does not work. people lose motivation to work if they do not feel that they are gaining anything from doing so. why be a neurosurgeon when you could be paid just as well to do something else much easier. the fact of the matter is all people are not equal. the traditional 3 tier social heirachy that has emerged in every civilisation since the man has existed is the most stable and most natural state for a nation to be in. communism fails because it tries to do away with this structure all together, and capatalism fails because it exascerbates the differences between these groups, for the simple reason that those with the most wealth/power are in the best position to increase their wealth/power. the other problem with capatalism is that it will always drive towards fascism, because the largest business's are formed by corporations. the largest most wealthy of these corporations are in the best position to gain more wealth. through franchising and other means large corporations can effectively dominate their section of the economy. once the corporations reach enourmous sizes (eg wal mart, microsoft, coca cola . . . etc) they are such an important part of the economy that the government is forced to make concessions for them.
 
i haven't read the text but
if a factory worker and a doctor get the same pay, why bother being a doctor?
is the pay your only motivation?
i find it pretty sad

and i hope there are doctors who choose to be so because they want to help others, rather than because they want more money

i also know that for the same pay, i'd rather bother being a doctor than work in a factory because it's much more interesting and i would never blossom doing a boring job
 
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A fair point, however... I think it's unrealistic to expect a doctor to bust his ass six days a week, give up his life for the health of others, purely for the love of the job (actually, there's many in the health profession that would argue that this is already happening de facto, and that GP retention is dependent on their goodwill). Who on earth would take on all that extra workload for purely altruistic reasons? And more importantly, are there enough of these selfless individuals in existence to service an entire population?

As you say, it might be a more interesting profession (we'll use the doctor example as a microcosm for now), and it might be interesting enough to attract enough people to service an entire population... but how exactly do you quantify a doctor's work compared to that of a factory worker? If it can be quantified, at what point does the work of a factory worker and a doctor become equal?
 
is the pay your only motivation?
i find it pretty sad

no, but it is a big part of the motivation of people. Take a general psychology class and you can see that. It's just human nature. Would it be fair for a doctor and a worker to receive the same pay while the doctor must attend 10+ years of schooling and hard work? You tell me.
 
i also know that for the same pay, i'd rather bother being a doctor than work in a factory because it's much more interesting and i would never blossom doing a boring job

yea, and what profession are you?

Plus it's unfair to make assertions like that because you will never be put in that situation. How can you say you would do something like that?
 
In the theoretical realm, pure capitalism is the most perfect economic system that exists, simply because the fundamental mechanisms of a free market, where the assumptions of the model are met, result in perfect efficiency as a resource allocation mechanism, from the micro- to the broadest macro-economic level. As such, it provides the greatest possible utility to all, while communism/socialism, alluring as they may be to the ignorant or ideologically-motivated, are essentially total failures at efficient resource allocation mechanisms, and in fact reduce the welfare of all. Moreover, the goal of equality/fairness that is often advanced by proponents of socialism is precisely achieved in pure capitalism, for markets value every asset at its "true" value. What could possibly be more fair than paying a person the exact value of his or her labour, land or capital?

As for using Einstein as an economic authority: that logical fallacy is known as, to use the latin phrase, an argumentum ad verecundiam.
 
>>Okay, stop me if i am wrong. (and i very well might be, I have a very limited knowledge of government)

Socialism relys on everyone in the community to contribue their services, and in return, they get the same pay, food, shelter, etc.>>

You are essentially describing Lenin's dictatorship of the proletariat, which he theorized to be a transition towards communism. Not all socialism would necessarily look like this.

>>The first problem of this type of gov is the absence of motivation to excel at certain occupations. For example, if a factory worker and a doctor get the same pay, why bother being a doctor?>>

Is this necessary to motivate people to go into certain occupations? What if education were entirely free? Would then skilled labor not be its own reward?

>>
The 2nd problem we are faced is the amount of trust put on a very small % of the population. Although power doesn't always lead to corruption, it can easily corrupt and we have seen this happen throughout history. Without people checking up on our leaders all the time, there is much room for corruption.>>

This is why leadership must be abolished.

>>If it can be quantified, at what point does the work of a factory worker and a doctor become equal?>>

perhaps it should not be...

>>
no, but it is a big part of the motivation of people. Take a general psychology class and you can see that. It's just human nature. Would it be fair for a doctor and a worker to receive the same pay while the doctor must attend 10+ years of schooling and hard work?>>

Or is it nature under our culture, where reward is framed in primarily material terms? I'm personally about to obtain 7 post-grad years of education for a mediocre pay rate. :)

>>In the theoretical realm, pure capitalism is the most perfect economic system that exists, simply because the fundamental mechanisms of a free market, where the assumptions of the model are met, result in perfect efficiency as a resource allocation mechanism, from the micro- to the broadest macro-economic level. As such, it provides the greatest possible utility to all, while communism/socialism, alluring as they may be to the ignorant or ideologically-motivated, are essentially total failures at efficient resource allocation mechanisms, and in fact reduce the welfare of all. Moreover, the goal of equality/fairness that is often advanced by proponents of socialism is precisely achieved in pure capitalism, for markets value every asset at its "true" value. What could possibly be more fair than paying a person the exact value of his or her labour, land or capital?>>

I usually shy away from theoretical models that require false axioms. :)

ebola
 
More false than relying on individuals to completely abandon rational self-interest and act entirely altruistically? haha. That isn't particularly relevant, though, because the assumptions are not onerous, and in the transition from theory to reality, free markets remain by far (indeed, the gap widens) the best mechanism.
 
>>More false than relying on individuals to completely abandon rational self-interest and act entirely altruistically? >>

This is not a necessary premise of socialism. Rather, the idea is that we can cooperate to produce what we need and see that if no one produces, we starve. It's pretty simple. :)

>>in the transition from theory to reality, free markets remain by far (indeed, the gap widens) the best mechanism.>>

If you are partial to oligarchy built of caprice, I guess you could argue this. :)

ebola
 
ebola? said:
This is not a necessary premise of socialism. Rather, the idea is that we can cooperate to produce what we need and see that if no one produces, we starve. It's pretty simple. :)

Of course it is. Without that assumption, those who do retain some semblance of intelligence will act in the manner of rational economic agents and free-ride from all the dumb ideological sheep, who follow theories without a whit of intellectual rigour, ironically to their ultimate detriment. Socialism and communism do not work without explicitly denying that individuals should act in a rationally self-interested way. Since in reality individuals do, at least to some vague degree, act in that manner, the silly models predictably break down as they have done so in China, Russia, 'the tragedy of the commons' etc.

I assume you haven't done any economics whatsoever, so I'll simply say that the reality is that capitalism results in the greatest welfare for all. Almost every aspect involves mathematical optimisation to some degree or another. For example, and this is the litmus test of whether I'm arguing with someone with any actual education in the area whatsoever, or just another arts/lit student:

Eschewing the CDPF for something easier, given the cost and income functions:

C=50 + 10Q
R = 25Q

What is the breakeven level of output?

Alternatively, given:

P = 75 - 0.35Q

What is the optimal, profit-maximising level of output? If you can't do that, and don't appreciate why that example differentiates free market economics from the half-baked ramblings of last-century academics, then there is little point. The better example would, of course, be with the Cobb-Douglas PF, but I'm guessing you can't do partial differentiation for multiple spaces.

If you are partial to oligarchy built of caprice, I guess you could argue this. :)

ebola

Do you understand the difference between rational and irrational speculation? Irrational speculation has nothing to do with capitalism; it is a distinct phenomenon which directly goes against the assumptions of the model. Extremely mobile capital flows and liquid capital markets, on the other hand, are fundamental examples of efficiency, with capital/financial markets (such as foreign exchange markets) demonstrating that being the quintessential examples of real life markets approaching the perfect-market ideal. Incidentally, if you think the assumptions of capitalism are particularly unrealistic, consider the example of forex. It has the following characteristics:

Large number of buyers and sellers
Low cost information
Costless entry and exit
Homogenous products

Go look up the perfect competition assumptions, compare, then repeat the student-socialist dogma once again.
 
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>>Of course it is. Without that assumption, those who do retain some semblance of intelligence will act in the manner of rational economic agents and free-ride from all the dumb ideological sheep, who follow theories without a whit of intellectual rigour, ironically to their ultimate detriment. Socialism and communism do not work without explicitly denying that individuals should act in a rationally self-interested way. Since in reality individuals do, at least to some vague degree, act in that manner, the silly models predictably break down as they have done so in China, Russia, 'the tragedy of the commons' etc.
>>

This atomized rational actor of which you speak is a theoretical fiction. It is really the rules of the game of the current socio-economic system which deem what sort of behaviors are "reasonable". Yes, people are often self interested, but they also seem to be rather adept at cooperating. The construction of social structure is ultimately up to us.

>>I assume you haven't done any economics whatsoever>>

I took intro micro, intro macro, and upper-division political economy and economic sociology in my undergrad.

>>so I'll simply say that the reality is that capitalism results in the greatest welfare for all.>>

measured against what?

>>
Eschewing the CDPF for something easier, given the cost and income functions:

C=50 + 10Q
R = 25Q

What is the breakeven level of output?

Alternatively, given:

P = 75 - 0.35Q

What is the optimal, profit-maximising level of output? If you can't do that, and don't appreciate why that example differentiates free market economics from the half-baked ramblings of last-century academics, then there is little point. The better example would, of course, be with the Cobb-Douglas PF, but I'm guessing you can't do partial differentiation for multiple spaces.>>

Yup. I am rather rusty with the mathematical models of your analyses. I think the break-even level would be 3 and 1/3, but I think I fucked up somewhere. :)

But tell me, can you establish the empirical relevance of your functions?

>>this is the litmus test of whether I'm arguing with someone with any actual education in the area whatsoever, or just another arts/lit student:>>

You're arguing with someone with pretensions towards being a social scientist (first year grad student in sociology).

>>Extremely mobile capital flows and liquid capital markets, on the other hand, are fundamental examples of efficiency, with capital/financial markets (such as foreign exchange markets) demonstrating that being the quintessential examples of real life markets approaching the perfect-market ideal.>>

Even these sorts of markets present massive barriers to entry in that the vast majority of people still don't possess the capital necessary to enter the game in any sort of relevant way (that is, absorb fluctuations due to risk without being ruined).

ebola
 
ebola? said:
This atomized rational actor of which you speak is a theoretical fiction. It is really the rules of the game of the current socio-economic system which deem what sort of behaviors are "reasonable". Yes, people are often self interested, but they also seem to be rather adept at cooperating. The construction of social structure is ultimately up to us.

It is in no sense a fiction. It is an objective, amoral benchmark by which behaviour can be measured. Most people can't even make a fucking rational and informed choice when they are buying a new DVD player but the mass-failure of individuals to act rationally does not denigrate the validity of it.

measured against what?

Everything else? If the models are mathematically optimised, anything that deviates from the model represents a reduction in total utility, output, or whatever.

But tell me, can you establish the empirical relevance of your functions?

Err, what? That is merely one example. All functions in the real world are empirically derived. How do you think firms make predictions? They gather business statistics and perform econometric analysis on them, often using regression or more complex statistical methods, to derive models (functions) of various aspects of the business. There is nothing theoretical whatsoever about the notion of the simple cost, revenue, demand and supply functions. In reality, however, the models are much more complex than simple 1 variable linear functions.

Even these sorts of markets present massive barriers to entry in that the vast majority of people still don't possess the capital necessary to enter the game in any sort of relevant way (that is, absorb fluctuations due to risk without being ruined).

ebola

An asset or market has a given level of variability, or risk, irrespective of who measures it. A $5 billion holding of Share X is exposed to the same level of risk, measured by stdev or whatever the holder chooses, as a $5 holding. The magnitude of losses will differ greatly, but both holdings are subject to the same risk.

I think you'll find that most markets are quite accessible. Derivatives, particularly, have extremely low capital requirements - many futures require margins of only on the order of $2,000 when trading on $1m nominal contracts. Anyone can trade in equity and foreign exchange markets, through a dealer. The rise of retail trading, detrimental though it may be to market efficiency, allows idiot daytraders to dabble to their hearts' content.

Seriously, you don't know near enough to hold an opinion on the relative benefits of economic systems. I have no doubt your opinion will be entirely unswayed, but I sure as hell wouldn't be a little student socialist pimp on the basis of nothing more than 4 introductory courses and whatever biased, completely non-economic ideological drivel that a humanities lecturer taught me. But hey, whatever. Your life.
 
can communism eggsist within capitalism, i.e. a group pf people becoming self efficient and providing the people within its community with what it needs and not what it whants, then the people would be able to teach new members of the community to aspire to preserve the lively hood of men and women within the community. Is this viable. coz if it were wouldn't that allow communists to be communists and capitalists to be capitalists.

Is Socialism a system that needs to be in power politically to eggsist.

Does a working socialist regime start from the ruler down or the person up.

Can there be a balance between the two extremes?
 
katalyst^ said:
As for using Einstein as an economic authority: that logical fallacy is known as, to use the latin phrase, an argumentum ad verecundiam.
and attacking the person presenting the argument rather than the augument itself is known as, to use the latin phase,8) argumentum ad hominem
 
massive said:
and attacking the person presenting the argument rather than the augument itself is known as, to use the latin phase,8) argumentum ad hominem

I didn't attack the OP. I wrote a brief blurb on why capitalism ftw then said that he used a logical fallacy.

That notwithstanding, argumentum ad hominem prima facie is a bullshit 'fallacy'. The argument is inseparable from the person arguing it; if the argument is rebutted at the same time that the person arguing it is attacked for the sheer stupidity of their opinion, then what's the problem?
 
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The problem is that you called a argumentum ad verecundiam when that wasn't the case.
 
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