So I've been experiencing this for years, at first with 2.5mg--5mg Dexadrine pills mixed with caffeine, and now with both Adderall 5mg which I was first prescribed, and now 20 mg Vyvanse.
Here's a very quick abstract which I wanted to see if was an explanation of what I am experiencing:
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/002221947600900312
So basically, if I sleep like shit or I'm really really tired, than it's almost a guarantee that Dexadrine or Adderall will make me feel good and awake like it should (probably Vyvanse too but today was my first day) but if I'm NOT really tired, then it usually results in me feeling MORE tired and shitty, and all around crappy, and once the drug wears off I feel better.
I've noticed that MOST DEFINITELY this effect of feeling worse from taking an Amp if NOT tired to begin with is then amplified if I drink too much coffee with it (hence more stimulated so = More SEDATION???).
Lets take today as an example, and I'll break this off into parts to make it easier to follow LOL:
Today was my 2nd day of Kratom WD and it only lasts for 4-5 days for me but day 2 is always the worst, and the worst effect I get from it is EXTREME SEDATION, so I figured that Amps could help with this, and I have found, that the strategy is hit or miss, sometimes it masks the Kratom WD sedation very well, sometimes very poorly and I feel worse.
Part 1: So, I had taken Adderall yesterday so I don't even know how my 1st day of Kratom WD would have been without it, but knowing today would be worst, I slept till 11:30 (didn't have much to do) woke up and popped a Vyvanse (I knew it would take 1 hour to kick in), so set my alarm to 12:30. I ate a 300 calorie energy bar so I wouldn't be on an empty stomach, (when I took the Vyvanse, before I woke up the 2nd time)...then as is customary with me, I drank 2 cups of coffee by my bed before getting out.
IMMEDIATELY I notice EXTREME energy as you'd expect....BUT...it lasted about 10 minutes--15 MAX....before I even got out of bed I'd crashed and was feeling tired as shit. I figured I just didn't have enough food in my stomach with 2 cups of coffee and Vyvanse and that could account for it, so I eat a bowl of yogurt, but felt no better after it digested.
I had a 3rd cup of caffeine (tea)....felt no better.
Part 2: Went to class, then when I got their I had a bottle of sugary tea....THEN started to feel better....drank another 2 cups of coffee...STILL better....but still feeling mildly shitty, but WAY better than before, at least knowing the Vyvanse is doing SOMETHING.
At this point...I chalked it up to 2 things 1) the initial crash yes, having to do with not having enough food in my stomach before the 2 cups of coffee and the Vyvanse.....then the later stimulation from MORE caffeine...somehow meaning my body had reached a homeostasis....and the reason the coffee made me feel better combined with the Vyvanse is that the Kratom Withdrawal was REALLY kicking my ass, and the sedation was just too strong for the Vyvanse even with the coffee.
So class ends, and I start feeling tired again, and I know the Vyvanse is wearing off.
Part 3: Since I know the Vyvanse has worn off, I figure it's safe to take 5mgs of Adderall and drink half a cup of coffee to do an experiment, figuring that most likely I'd feel WORSE and regret it.
But NO...THIS TIME, the Adderall kicks in, and of course I am not feeling 100% as I am still in Kratom WD...but the symptoms of the Kratom WD are about 65% masked....and I feel that generally the medication is doing what it should, getting the impression if I'd taken another 5mgs of Adderall I'd mask the Kratom WD about 85%, but I'm not going to do that cause I want to feel asleep when it wears of.
Now I've been on this Adderall dose about an hour and a half, and so I'm in the peak and it'll wear off in about 2 1/2 hours, and I'm like "FINALLY...now THIS is how Amphetamine is SUPPOSED to work...AND WAKE ME UP!!" I mean sure, I'm still kinda tired from the Kratom WD, but not bad, and it at least MOSTLY working is enough to ask for in terms of relief.
SO WHAT'S THE DEAL!!!!!
Vyvanse and Adderall are pretty similar, yes, I know the chemical differences, and I've done the same thing with Dexadrine, they are all basically Dex, so why about 50% of the time I take Amps do I feel WORSE and MORE tired, and about 50% of the time they do what they should and I feel GOOD!??!!
Why did I feel a HUGE surge of energy from the coffee and Vyvanse, then SUDDEN crash....slowly coming back to energy but not enough later....and THEN when I switched to Adderall I'm feeling fine?!?!
Why do I have about a 90% success rate that these stimulants will work for me if I have slept like shit....but like a 30% success rate that they will work if I haven't??
Why, if I sometimes drink too much coffee on a stimulant, will I feel MORE tired??
How, all in the same day, while in the same amount of Kratom WD, can similar doses of Amp (5mg Add is probably a bit less than 20mg Vyvanse I guess....) make me feel both TERRIBLE and GOOD??!!
I swear, it's like my body KNOWS if I need the drug or not, and if I'm not tired enough, my body just goes:
"NO NO, you aren't tired, now this amp is going to make you regret it and make you MORE tired"....but if my body KNOWS I'm tired...it's like "Ok, I'll work for you"???
Is this in fact what is occurring?
Is this why sometimes too much coffee on an amp makes me feel LESS awake?
But yet, I'd already drank MORE coffee and had MORE in my system today by the time the Adderall started doing it's job so what gives??
(Also, I am on about 2.5mgs of Klonopin a day and take 40mgs of Lexapro for background info, and I drink about 6-8.5 cups of coffee a day...Yes..TOO MUCH).
Most of all: how can I predict when it is and isn't a good idea to take Vyvanse/Adderall/Dex and how can I be more sure to get the effects I want and feel properly stimulated??
I don't use them recreationally really, I use them to feel better when I feel like shit, but they are so hit and miss for me.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Here's a very quick abstract which I wanted to see if was an explanation of what I am experiencing:
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/002221947600900312
So basically, if I sleep like shit or I'm really really tired, than it's almost a guarantee that Dexadrine or Adderall will make me feel good and awake like it should (probably Vyvanse too but today was my first day) but if I'm NOT really tired, then it usually results in me feeling MORE tired and shitty, and all around crappy, and once the drug wears off I feel better.
I've noticed that MOST DEFINITELY this effect of feeling worse from taking an Amp if NOT tired to begin with is then amplified if I drink too much coffee with it (hence more stimulated so = More SEDATION???).
Lets take today as an example, and I'll break this off into parts to make it easier to follow LOL:
Today was my 2nd day of Kratom WD and it only lasts for 4-5 days for me but day 2 is always the worst, and the worst effect I get from it is EXTREME SEDATION, so I figured that Amps could help with this, and I have found, that the strategy is hit or miss, sometimes it masks the Kratom WD sedation very well, sometimes very poorly and I feel worse.
Part 1: So, I had taken Adderall yesterday so I don't even know how my 1st day of Kratom WD would have been without it, but knowing today would be worst, I slept till 11:30 (didn't have much to do) woke up and popped a Vyvanse (I knew it would take 1 hour to kick in), so set my alarm to 12:30. I ate a 300 calorie energy bar so I wouldn't be on an empty stomach, (when I took the Vyvanse, before I woke up the 2nd time)...then as is customary with me, I drank 2 cups of coffee by my bed before getting out.
IMMEDIATELY I notice EXTREME energy as you'd expect....BUT...it lasted about 10 minutes--15 MAX....before I even got out of bed I'd crashed and was feeling tired as shit. I figured I just didn't have enough food in my stomach with 2 cups of coffee and Vyvanse and that could account for it, so I eat a bowl of yogurt, but felt no better after it digested.
I had a 3rd cup of caffeine (tea)....felt no better.
Part 2: Went to class, then when I got their I had a bottle of sugary tea....THEN started to feel better....drank another 2 cups of coffee...STILL better....but still feeling mildly shitty, but WAY better than before, at least knowing the Vyvanse is doing SOMETHING.
At this point...I chalked it up to 2 things 1) the initial crash yes, having to do with not having enough food in my stomach before the 2 cups of coffee and the Vyvanse.....then the later stimulation from MORE caffeine...somehow meaning my body had reached a homeostasis....and the reason the coffee made me feel better combined with the Vyvanse is that the Kratom Withdrawal was REALLY kicking my ass, and the sedation was just too strong for the Vyvanse even with the coffee.
So class ends, and I start feeling tired again, and I know the Vyvanse is wearing off.
Part 3: Since I know the Vyvanse has worn off, I figure it's safe to take 5mgs of Adderall and drink half a cup of coffee to do an experiment, figuring that most likely I'd feel WORSE and regret it.
But NO...THIS TIME, the Adderall kicks in, and of course I am not feeling 100% as I am still in Kratom WD...but the symptoms of the Kratom WD are about 65% masked....and I feel that generally the medication is doing what it should, getting the impression if I'd taken another 5mgs of Adderall I'd mask the Kratom WD about 85%, but I'm not going to do that cause I want to feel asleep when it wears of.
Now I've been on this Adderall dose about an hour and a half, and so I'm in the peak and it'll wear off in about 2 1/2 hours, and I'm like "FINALLY...now THIS is how Amphetamine is SUPPOSED to work...AND WAKE ME UP!!" I mean sure, I'm still kinda tired from the Kratom WD, but not bad, and it at least MOSTLY working is enough to ask for in terms of relief.
SO WHAT'S THE DEAL!!!!!
Vyvanse and Adderall are pretty similar, yes, I know the chemical differences, and I've done the same thing with Dexadrine, they are all basically Dex, so why about 50% of the time I take Amps do I feel WORSE and MORE tired, and about 50% of the time they do what they should and I feel GOOD!??!!
Why did I feel a HUGE surge of energy from the coffee and Vyvanse, then SUDDEN crash....slowly coming back to energy but not enough later....and THEN when I switched to Adderall I'm feeling fine?!?!
Why do I have about a 90% success rate that these stimulants will work for me if I have slept like shit....but like a 30% success rate that they will work if I haven't??
Why, if I sometimes drink too much coffee on a stimulant, will I feel MORE tired??
How, all in the same day, while in the same amount of Kratom WD, can similar doses of Amp (5mg Add is probably a bit less than 20mg Vyvanse I guess....) make me feel both TERRIBLE and GOOD??!!
I swear, it's like my body KNOWS if I need the drug or not, and if I'm not tired enough, my body just goes:
"NO NO, you aren't tired, now this amp is going to make you regret it and make you MORE tired"....but if my body KNOWS I'm tired...it's like "Ok, I'll work for you"???
Is this in fact what is occurring?
Is this why sometimes too much coffee on an amp makes me feel LESS awake?
But yet, I'd already drank MORE coffee and had MORE in my system today by the time the Adderall started doing it's job so what gives??
(Also, I am on about 2.5mgs of Klonopin a day and take 40mgs of Lexapro for background info, and I drink about 6-8.5 cups of coffee a day...Yes..TOO MUCH).
Most of all: how can I predict when it is and isn't a good idea to take Vyvanse/Adderall/Dex and how can I be more sure to get the effects I want and feel properly stimulated??
I don't use them recreationally really, I use them to feel better when I feel like shit, but they are so hit and miss for me.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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