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Harm Reduction When I shoot up unfiltered pills of Subuxone and Zopiclone, where does all sh*t go?

I know this is your issue to deal with on your own OP, but I think you'd really benefit from a long term rehab, i.e. 6-12 months away. What cured my needle dependency was long term abstinence (prison sentence). I learned so much about myself being completely abstinent.

I still have picked up using recreationally since being out, but I'm smarter (well, more informed) this time around. I have touched the needle again a handful of times but saw where it was leading me and have since tossed all my rigs. Other ROAs will just have to do if I want to keep my life manageable.
 
Seconded. Also, Båtmannen (I am 1/4th Danish myself by the way), you're already fat to begin with.
Please man, tell me how you know I'm fat (I don't look fat with clothes as my shoulders are very broad)???

This is creepy for me. How do you know me?
 
Great, it's now when I'm done with it that it starts bothering me.

It will also continue to grow (talcosis or w/e it's called) within me so I'll inevitably die from it, as they don't do much research on this. Didn't know it would continue to grow ... I must have read it somewhere, but didn't realize until now. Probably because I didn't want to.

So I'm wondering ... how long will I live? I don't have any symptoms at all, unless heart problems on amphetamine is a symptom of it ... but I have no symptoms sober/clean.

Damn me.

But theoretically ,.. If I survive for 10-15 years, perhaps these synthetic hearts are used at a larger scale. Or am I delusional?
 
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Great, it's now when I'm done with it that it starts bothering me.

It will also continue to grow (talcosis or w/e it's called) within me so I'll inevitably die from it, as they don't do much research on this. Didn't know it would continue to grow ... I must have read it somewhere, but didn't realize until now. Probably because I didn't want to.

So I'm wondering ... how long will I live? I don't have any symptoms at all, unless heart problems on amphetamine is a symptom of it ... but I have no symptoms sober/clean.

Damn me.

You had me wondering the same thing.

I have had my heart checked. So far so good.

The sooner people stop shooting binders and fillers, the longer they will live.

Eat healthy, loose weight and you will live.
Hydration and a proper electrolyte balance is often over looked but very important.

I am going to bring this subject up to my personal physician and see if I can get some in depth knowledge.

At the minimum, the insoluble binders/fillers
theoretically can clog the small capillaries and build up behind heart valves.

I believe the same to a different extent happens when a person rails/snorts any powder that?s not pure or doesn?t dissolve in water.
 
You had me wondering the same thing.

I have had my heart checked. So far so good.

The sooner people stop shooting binders and fillers, the longer they will live.

Eat healthy, loose weight and you will live.
Hydration and a proper electrolyte balance is often over looked but very important.

I am going to bring this subject up to my personal physician and see if I can get some in depth knowledge.

At the minimum, the insoluble binders/fillers
theoretically can clog the small capillaries and build up behind heart valves.

I believe the same to a different extent happens when a person rails/snorts any powder that?s not pure or doesn?t dissolve in water.
Checked how, and do you have any symptoms?

I am going to bring this subject up to my personal physician and see if I can get some in depth knowledge.
Thank you. I've talked with a clinical nurse specialist, and he just said there's nothing to do but to stop and waitt for any symptoms.

What kind of shit have you been doing? Insufflating or being as dumb as me and injecting pills?

Because when insufflating, as you know, the mission is not to get it into the lungs but the *dont know the english word for it* in the nose.


The one thing that could help, is to save money to buy a new heart or a set of lungs, right? I've been dead a few times and being dead doesn't scare me. The expectation/wait for it, though, dieing slowly, seems no fun. And the worst thing imagineable is dieing before your (at least for me, so at least my ...) parents. That's the greatest problem with this.

I don't get how some people can be alive. I know guys who inject their bupe/subutex every single day without even using a cotton filter. They are quite young yet, though, perhaps that explains it.
 
Yeah, it’s amazing what abuse (some) human bodies can take. It’s also amazing how things start to become more difficult with age. The only upside maybe being that with age the harm becomes more obvious and can’t be ignored, so in a way it’s easier to get motivated to find healthier practices/things to engage with.

Everyone is different though. Some people are super sensitive to complications related to drug use even when young, but we all get more vulnerable to issues when we get older.
 
Checked how, and do you have any symptoms?

Thank you. I've talked with a clinical nurse specialist, and he just said there's nothing to do but to stop and waitt for any symptoms.

What kind of shit have you been doing? Insufflating or being as dumb as me and injecting pills?

Because when insufflating, as you know, the mission is not to get it into the lungs but the *dont know the english word for it* in the nose.


The one thing that could help, is to save money to buy a new heart or a set of lungs, right? I've been dead a few times and being dead doesn't scare me. The expectation/wait for it, though, dieing slowly, seems no fun. And the worst thing imagineable is dieing before your (at least for me, so at least my ...) parents. That's the greatest problem with this.

I don't get how some people can be alive. I know guys who inject their bupe/subutex every single day without even using a cotton filter. They are quite young yet, though, perhaps that explains it.

I am not a virgin, but I never I..V?ed anything and I use things in a proper fashion now.

I don?t know how long people can do things like that. The sooner they stop the better.
 
For some time I have been without filtering shot up 20 mg Subutex and 7,5 mg Zopiclone per day, for at least 3 weeks, but I'd say 3,5 or 4 weeks. Could he higher as well but say 4 weeks.

Where does most of it go, the >99% in sub and zope that it not an active substance. Is is possible to shit it out?

How dangerous is this? What cpuld be the the adverse affects? beause I have been doing it way, way too much over the years. I have to stop, but it's so hard because I'm piss poor and can't afford alot of drugs. I take the subutex that way because it makes me active et cetera, same with zopiclone, they work if I filter them as well, but a shitload worse. WHY? I clean, run errands I otherwise can't be arsed etc

please give me som answers guys I would appreciate it soo much.

I used to shoot Ritalin, mostly ER20mg pills. Mostly we shot them one at a time, occasionally 5 or even 10. I began by not filtering them, like the people I learned from, but one day I watched a rig of liquid stuff begin to cool off inside the syringe and 2/3 or it turned back into powder. That freaked me out so I at least began filtering it. I heard from other Ritalin slammers that the powder remains inside your body, and is most fond of the blood vessels in your lungs, your liver, and behind your eyes. I know one guy who lost his sight in one eye when the capillaries behind his eyes sclerosed.

I had a pulmonary event at one point where it became very difficult to breathe and I went to the ER. I don't remember it all that well; mostly just that I was starting to turn blue with hypoxia, they got me into the ER and did some kind of treatment--I don't really know exactly what they did, ran some kind of drugs through my IV and gave me some treatments with a nebulizer. Then this doctor said "I know it won't do any good to tell you to stop shooting Ritalin, but if you don't filter them better you're going to die." I hadn't told him anything about shooting Ritalin--I had tracks but it was in the day when if you saw tracks you assumed heroin, which was my DOC, only I was on the methadone clinic, hence the Ritalin. So I assume that he knew from something that they found inside me or the way it showed up on an X-ray.

Fast forward about 40 years, till just a few years ago. I'd had pulmonary issues off and on for a number of years, but I almost died in the ER about three years ago when I went in completely unable to breathe. Turned out I had COPD, with emphysema (mostly from smoking, which I'd done for almost 50 years at the time) and pulmonary fibrosis, although they didn't know what was causing that. Since I didn't volunteer the information that I'd shot Ritalin or several years, they still don't know why I have it, and there's nothing that can be done; it's a fatal lung disease that, with the emphysema, will eventually kill me and has already crippled me. I'm oxygen-dependent 24/7, take a bunch of different steroids and other inhaled drugs that have side effects, mostly nasty, etc.

I don't blame anyone for my condition, since I made the choices to stick needles into my arms, to smoke, and all the rest. I just didn't figured I'd live long enough for it all to catch up with me. BTW, I've been in recovery off and on since 1989 and consistently for the past 8 years. Just got an 8 year coin last week. And am now tobacco-free as well, for 3 years. So the sad truth is that, if you live long enough, the shit you put your body through WILL get you. Please stop shooting unfiltered pills, dude--that is so bad for your body in so many different ways, and even though it may seem so at the time, all you're adding to your shot is an inert powder. It doesn't add any more active ingredient, and all that powder does collect in unlikely places where it's not going to be excreted.
 
Ah man. That's awful, but thank ypu for sharing that.
Chronic lung disease must be a horrific thing to live through - it's scary not being able to breathe.
 
The thing is that when we do things like shoot or snort pills that aren't good for us, it's during a time in our lives, usually, when we feel young and strong and bulletproof. Then most of us go on to die tragic deaths while we're still fairly young and haven't yet faced the consequences of our actions. A few of us, however, are either lucky or unlucky enough not to overdose and die or commit suicide and die, or die a car wreck or one of the millions of other kinds of violent deaths that take our counterparts. Then one day we wake up and either our heart, or our lungs, or our liver isn't working so good any more, but we're still alive to experience it. And it just goes on and on--for me it was liver failure then lung disease. They cured my hepC but the cirrhosis it caused is still with me. And Medicare won't pay for lung transplants; in fact, they're experimental still in this country, and what I wouldn't give for just one lung that still works! But I made my choices a long time ago, and even though I cleaned up years ago as well, it was just a little--or maybe a lot, who really knows?--too late...
 
Yeah, the perception of invincibility of youth sure can take its toll.
All too often i think that message is too easy to miss, so i appreciate you talking about it. It's all too easy to dismiss health concerns, especially when any harm seems a distant thought, but having lost a few loved ones to things like lung cancer, i try to be wary of ignoring the risks of the things that cause it.
Take care of yourself <3
 
I used to shoot Ritalin, mostly ER20mg pills. Mostly we shot them one at a time, occasionally 5 or even 10. I began by not filtering them, like the people I learned from, but one day I watched a rig of liquid stuff begin to cool off inside the syringe and 2/3 or it turned back into powder. That freaked me out so I at least began filtering it. I heard from other Ritalin slammers that the powder remains inside your body, and is most fond of the blood vessels in your lungs, your liver, and behind your eyes. I know one guy who lost his sight in one eye when the capillaries behind his eyes sclerosed.

I had a pulmonary event at one point where it became very difficult to breathe and I went to the ER. I don't remember it all that well; mostly just that I was starting to turn blue with hypoxia, they got me into the ER and did some kind of treatment--I don't really know exactly what they did, ran some kind of drugs through my IV and gave me some treatments with a nebulizer. Then this doctor said "I know it won't do any good to tell you to stop shooting Ritalin, but if you don't filter them better you're going to die." I hadn't told him anything about shooting Ritalin--I had tracks but it was in the day when if you saw tracks you assumed heroin, which was my DOC, only I was on the methadone clinic, hence the Ritalin. So I assume that he knew from something that they found inside me or the way it showed up on an X-ray.

Fast forward about 40 years, till just a few years ago. I'd had pulmonary issues off and on for a number of years, but I almost died in the ER about three years ago when I went in completely unable to breathe. Turned out I had COPD, with emphysema (mostly from smoking, which I'd done for almost 50 years at the time) and pulmonary fibrosis, although they didn't know what was causing that. Since I didn't volunteer the information that I'd shot Ritalin or several years, they still don't know why I have it, and there's nothing that can be done; it's a fatal lung disease that, with the emphysema, will eventually kill me and has already crippled me. I'm oxygen-dependent 24/7, take a bunch of different steroids and other inhaled drugs that have side effects, mostly nasty, etc.

I don't blame anyone for my condition, since I made the choices to stick needles into my arms, to smoke, and all the rest. I just didn't figured I'd live long enough for it all to catch up with me. BTW, I've been in recovery off and on since 1989 and consistently for the past 8 years. Just got an 8 year coin last week. And am now tobacco-free as well, for 3 years. So the sad truth is that, if you live long enough, the shit you put your body through WILL get you. Please stop shooting unfiltered pills, dude--that is so bad for your body in so many different ways, and even though it may seem so at the time, all you're adding to your shot is an inert powder. It doesn't add any more active ingredient, and all that powder does collect in unlikely places where it's not going to be excreted.

This had to be requoted. Thanks for the HR that is clear to see.

I know what you said about your condition, but at a minimum, please keep your spirit up.

Other readers, if this isn?t a reason to filter, I?m not sure what is.
 
And another question: When sticking stuff into your fat or muscles ... does that also go to your lungs/heart or does it stay in the muscle/fat? I have shot unfiltered pills (not even narcotics:!) into my thigh muscle, several times, although it's years ago. I didn't even went to see the doctor even though I could barely walk. Is that in my thigh or somewhere in my bloodstream? Same question for fat.

I used to shoot Ritalin, mostly ER20mg pills. Mostly we shot them one at a time, occasionally 5 or even 10. I began by not filtering them, like the people I learned from, but one day I watched a rig of liquid stuff begin to cool off inside the syringe and 2/3 or it turned back into powder. That freaked me out so I at least began filtering it. I heard from other Ritalin slammers that the powder remains inside your body, and is most fond of the blood vessels in your lungs, your liver, and behind your eyes. I know one guy who lost his sight in one eye when the capillaries behind his eyes sclerosed.

I had a pulmonary event at one point where it became very difficult to breathe and I went to the ER. I don't remember it all that well; mostly just that I was starting to turn blue with hypoxia, they got me into the ER and did some kind of treatment--I don't really know exactly what they did, ran some kind of drugs through my IV and gave me some treatments with a nebulizer. Then this doctor said "I know it won't do any good to tell you to stop shooting Ritalin, but if you don't filter them better you're going to die." I hadn't told him anything about shooting Ritalin--I had tracks but it was in the day when if you saw tracks you assumed heroin, which was my DOC, only I was on the methadone clinic, hence the Ritalin. So I assume that he knew from something that they found inside me or the way it showed up on an X-ray.

Fast forward about 40 years, till just a few years ago. I'd had pulmonary issues off and on for a number of years, but I almost died in the ER about three years ago when I went in completely unable to breathe. Turned out I had COPD, with emphysema (mostly from smoking, which I'd done for almost 50 years at the time) and pulmonary fibrosis, although they didn't know what was causing that. Since I didn't volunteer the information that I'd shot Ritalin or several years, they still don't know why I have it, and there's nothing that can be done; it's a fatal lung disease that, with the emphysema, will eventually kill me and has already crippled me. I'm oxygen-dependent 24/7, take a bunch of different steroids and other inhaled drugs that have side effects, mostly nasty, etc.

I don't blame anyone for my condition, since I made the choices to stick needles into my arms, to smoke, and all the rest. I just didn't figured I'd live long enough for it all to catch up with me. BTW, I've been in recovery off and on since 1989 and consistently for the past 8 years. Just got an 8 year coin last week. And am now tobacco-free as well, for 3 years. So the sad truth is that, if you live long enough, the shit you put your body through WILL get you. Please stop shooting unfiltered pills, dude--that is so bad for your body in so many different ways, and even though it may seem so at the time, all you're adding to your shot is an inert powder. It doesn't add any more active ingredient, and all that powder does collect in unlikely places where it's not going to be excreted.

Thanks for sharing, and I'm very sorry for the pain you have to suffer. Oxygen 24/7 ... as in, you carry around one of those tubes? Whatever ... I can't imagine how hard this is for you (although one day I will) and I'm very, very sorry ...
 
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Great, it's now when I'm done with it that it starts bothering me.

It will also continue to grow (talcosis or w/e it's called) within me so I'll inevitably die from it, as they don't do much research on this. Didn't know it would continue to grow ... I must have read it somewhere, but didn't realize until now. Probably because I didn't want to.

So I'm wondering ... how long will I live? I don't have any symptoms at all, unless heart problems on amphetamine is a symptom of it ... but I have no symptoms sober/clean.

Damn me.

But theoretically ,.. If I survive for 10-15 years, perhaps these synthetic hearts are used at a larger scale. Or am I delusional?
I’m worried I will develop this as well. I’m a little scared. Are you still ok?
 
I used to shoot Ritalin, mostly ER20mg pills. Mostly we shot them one at a time, occasionally 5 or even 10. I began by not filtering them, like the people I learned from, but one day I watched a rig of liquid stuff begin to cool off inside the syringe and 2/3 or it turned back into powder. That freaked me out so I at least began filtering it. I heard from other Ritalin slammers that the powder remains inside your body, and is most fond of the blood vessels in your lungs, your liver, and behind your eyes. I know one guy who lost his sight in one eye when the capillaries behind his eyes sclerosed.

I had a pulmonary event at one point where it became very difficult to breathe and I went to the ER. I don't remember it all that well; mostly just that I was starting to turn blue with hypoxia, they got me into the ER and did some kind of treatment--I don't really know exactly what they did, ran some kind of drugs through my IV and gave me some treatments with a nebulizer. Then this doctor said "I know it won't do any good to tell you to stop shooting Ritalin, but if you don't filter them better you're going to die." I hadn't told him anything about shooting Ritalin--I had tracks but it was in the day when if you saw tracks you assumed heroin, which was my DOC, only I was on the methadone clinic, hence the Ritalin. So I assume that he knew from something that they found inside me or the way it showed up on an X-ray.

Fast forward about 40 years, till just a few years ago. I'd had pulmonary issues off and on for a number of years, but I almost died in the ER about three years ago when I went in completely unable to breathe. Turned out I had COPD, with emphysema (mostly from smoking, which I'd done for almost 50 years at the time) and pulmonary fibrosis, although they didn't know what was causing that. Since I didn't volunteer the information that I'd shot Ritalin or several years, they still don't know why I have it, and there's nothing that can be done; it's a fatal lung disease that, with the emphysema, will eventually kill me and has already crippled me. I'm oxygen-dependent 24/7, take a bunch of different steroids and other inhaled drugs that have side effects, mostly nasty, etc.

I don't blame anyone for my condition, since I made the choices to stick needles into my arms, to smoke, and all the rest. I just didn't figured I'd live long enough for it all to catch up with me. BTW, I've been in recovery off and on since 1989 and consistently for the past 8 years. Just got an 8 year coin last week. And am now tobacco-free as well, for 3 years. So the sad truth is that, if you live long enough, the shit you put your body through WILL get you. Please stop shooting unfiltered pills, dude--that is so bad for your body in so many different ways, and even though it may seem so at the time, all you're adding to your shot is an inert powder. It doesn't add any more active ingredient, and all that powder does collect in unlikely places where it's not going to be excreted.
I am so worried this will happen to me! I shot maybe 5-40 Ritalin, other sporadic pills, once a month for a year or so, Heroin, coke, meth, crack or whatever. I quit about 5 years ago and try to be healthy and work out all the time. Are you still alive?
 
I knew somebody who IV'd phenazepam powder which didn't dissolve well in the water. I think he used a cigarette filter but am not sure, he was a pretty fucked up junkie and might be that he shot it unfiltered. Some time past he was admitted to the hospital where they diagnosed a post-thrombotic syndrome and some days later he was dead.
 
I knew somebody who IV'd phenazepam powder which didn't dissolve well in the water. I think he used a cigarette filter but am not sure, he was a pretty fucked up junkie and might be that he shot it unfiltered. Some time past he was admitted to the hospital where they diagnosed a post-thrombotic syndrome and some days later he was dead.
Yeah everyone says don’t shoot benzos it won’t end well. So I never did
 
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