Yes, that post was me! Here is a little more about me and the exact message I got from Energy Control in Barcelona when I mailed them my samples of my most recent DW busts. I completely agree with your analogy...perfect
I am in my early 40s and I had the wonderful pleasure of meeting Alexander (or as he was introduced to me as Sasha) Shulgin in 2012 and through friends I was able to have my first amazing experience with MDMA that was literally life changing. I was so moved and able to come to important realizations about life that have lasted in the years since and I was go grateful to get a chance to have coffee with Dr. Shulgin and thank him for his contribution to my life and his wonderful work before he passed away. Anyway, in the years since I have had one other time I was able to try this again and it was also fantastic and life changing. To make a long story short, I have ordered several times from the dark web to no avail, only to receive product that when tested at home with a kit and then sent to Barcelona lab (Energy Control) who described both batches as 85 and 83 percent MDMA with NO adulterants detected. However, our experiences (controlled environment as usual in a nice place with the same friends etc) were EXACTLY as the person who started this post described a few years ago and as Hilopsilo did as well. We were suspicious when it felt like we were all on meth and our eyes were normal, and the subjective experience was not the MDMA feeling I had the first two times, even though I had carefully tested it at home and sent it off to Energy Control for testing (I am a very careful user of any drug). Everyone agreed who was there that something was wrong and I have since been trying to get to the bottom of the mystery and I have learned a lot in the post that you started about what might be going on here.
This was the last exchange I had with the EC technician:
I retested the samples and they are indeed MDMA with no other active ingredients. Our methods are able to distinguish between MDMA and other substances such as bk-MDMA and MDA, so that possibility is ruled out. That being said, we have received a few sparse reports about unexpected effects from samples that test as MDMA and are currently investigating it. For now it's all speculation, but around internet forums there's a theory is that there is a new synthetic route being used to produce MDMA that has a different enantiomer mix than what was previously being produced. This video offers a good explanation on what enantiomers are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GjsRnsoL8
Since R-MDMA and S-MDMA are different optical configurations of the MDMA molecule but have the same chemical structure, they are very difficult to distinguish from one another. Additionally, most synthesis routes for substances with one chiral center yield a 50/50 mix of the two enantiomers. Nevertheless, we have not yet found any synthesis routes that offer benefits (be they economical, improving availability or yield, etc) over currently existing ones. In most cases, it seems to come down to the fact that set and setting can have a profound effect on the effects produced by a substance, to the point that people can feel like the same batch of a substance feels like a completely different drug. If you want, you can research into the effects of R-MDMA, S-MDMA, and different proportions of each to see if it correlates with the difference in effects that you experienced. We're working to implement a way to distinguish the two and find out if there's any substance to the theory, but for now there is no evidence to back it and very few reports regarding this discrepancy, so it has been hard to get good data. Fortunately, R-MDMA and S-MDMA appear to share the same safety profile as racemic MDMA, as in the end they are the same substance.
Let me know if there's anything we can help with.
Kind Regards,
AT
They were great and even listened to my long story and retested each sample twice at my instance that the experience didn't match the test results. I am simply not yet willing to chalk it up to "lost magic" as I just don't want that to be true.
Thanks for this great forum, at least I think I have enough evidence to suggest there is hope for me to find the real stuff again....
I am in my early 40s and I had the wonderful pleasure of meeting Alexander (or as he was introduced to me as Sasha) Shulgin in 2012 and through friends I was able to have my first amazing experience with MDMA that was literally life changing. I was so moved and able to come to important realizations about life that have lasted in the years since and I was go grateful to get a chance to have coffee with Dr. Shulgin and thank him for his contribution to my life and his wonderful work before he passed away. Anyway, in the years since I have had one other time I was able to try this again and it was also fantastic and life changing. To make a long story short, I have ordered several times from the dark web to no avail, only to receive product that when tested at home with a kit and then sent to Barcelona lab (Energy Control) who described both batches as 85 and 83 percent MDMA with NO adulterants detected. However, our experiences (controlled environment as usual in a nice place with the same friends etc) were EXACTLY as the person who started this post described a few years ago and as Hilopsilo did as well. We were suspicious when it felt like we were all on meth and our eyes were normal, and the subjective experience was not the MDMA feeling I had the first two times, even though I had carefully tested it at home and sent it off to Energy Control for testing (I am a very careful user of any drug). Everyone agreed who was there that something was wrong and I have since been trying to get to the bottom of the mystery and I have learned a lot in the post that you started about what might be going on here.
This was the last exchange I had with the EC technician:
I retested the samples and they are indeed MDMA with no other active ingredients. Our methods are able to distinguish between MDMA and other substances such as bk-MDMA and MDA, so that possibility is ruled out. That being said, we have received a few sparse reports about unexpected effects from samples that test as MDMA and are currently investigating it. For now it's all speculation, but around internet forums there's a theory is that there is a new synthetic route being used to produce MDMA that has a different enantiomer mix than what was previously being produced. This video offers a good explanation on what enantiomers are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GjsRnsoL8
Since R-MDMA and S-MDMA are different optical configurations of the MDMA molecule but have the same chemical structure, they are very difficult to distinguish from one another. Additionally, most synthesis routes for substances with one chiral center yield a 50/50 mix of the two enantiomers. Nevertheless, we have not yet found any synthesis routes that offer benefits (be they economical, improving availability or yield, etc) over currently existing ones. In most cases, it seems to come down to the fact that set and setting can have a profound effect on the effects produced by a substance, to the point that people can feel like the same batch of a substance feels like a completely different drug. If you want, you can research into the effects of R-MDMA, S-MDMA, and different proportions of each to see if it correlates with the difference in effects that you experienced. We're working to implement a way to distinguish the two and find out if there's any substance to the theory, but for now there is no evidence to back it and very few reports regarding this discrepancy, so it has been hard to get good data. Fortunately, R-MDMA and S-MDMA appear to share the same safety profile as racemic MDMA, as in the end they are the same substance.
Let me know if there's anything we can help with.
Kind Regards,
AT
They were great and even listened to my long story and retested each sample twice at my instance that the experience didn't match the test results. I am simply not yet willing to chalk it up to "lost magic" as I just don't want that to be true.
Thanks for this great forum, at least I think I have enough evidence to suggest there is hope for me to find the real stuff again....