Stimulants What is the best stimulant drug for everyday life ?

[Thrax]

For me I would said meth but it's too dangerous for long term use.

I tried 3mmc it's suck.

Did you have suggestion dear friends ?

 

[daturetard]

Hate to just say obvious answer: Coffee. So I'll add a couple more. None are really super safe but Khat is low risk, PEA? Probably don't want the mild shit, but safe daily stuff isn't gonna be as strong as meth.. Coca leafs pretty safe too. Can get that online bout as easy as kratom. And oh yeah, kratom. DLPA is pretty nice imo, mild still. Ephedra? Pretty sure its cardiotoxic though. Really don't have a lot for you, just nobody else had replied yet.
Edit: and low dose amphetamine (pharms) I suppose isn't physically that harmful, still hate em personally.

 

[Baphomet64]

There really aren't stimulants that are ok to be addicted to, they are a pretty compulsive class of chemicals

-Baphomet

 

[emkee_reinvented]

There really aren't stimulants that are ok to be addicted to, they are a pretty compulsive class of chemicals

-Baphomet

So how does one get addicted to regular stimulant's? Leaving Meth-Amphetamine, 4-MAR, fencamfamine and Phenmetrazine out of the picture.

At my presribed doses of dextro-Amphetamine (15-10-10) taken as needed on advice of my last Psychiatrist. I actually take less, more like 25 on a busy day max.
Stopping gave me no WD's (dr's do that for some reason without ever offering tapering). WD's that are so typical with GABA-ergic's, Opoid's or even Tobacco which is merely inforcing rather then additing.

Take no stim and there is noticeable a little lack of drive, and def more diffculity to get started. Less ability to pay attention, ADHD.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Coffee. Any stim will hook you and have bad effects but coffee will give more negative effects at higher doses and that keeps things more manageable.

 

[Jnowhere]

For me I would said meth but it's too dangerous for long term use.

I tried 3mmc it's suck.

Did you have suggestion dear friends ?

I would stay away from drugs. I read your other posts and like so many people, drugs just will make things worse. I know that it is hypocritical to say that on here, but there is no way any recreational drug use will ultimately make Thrax more happy. Joy is fleeting, but misery seems to last.

 

[Pickledlemons]

Yeah coffee. I used to try and talk people down from meth to amphetamine ( when they start talking about using it habitually that is). But recently I got ahold of paste that was way more potent than any I had before and I got just as crazy as meth. Caffeine is the answer. Maybe Kratom but even that can get out of control.

 

[jasperkent]

For daily use I gotta go with coffee as the safest-- as long as you're not adding sugar to it. The amount of black coffee I drink is ridiculous. But if you keep it at 2 to 4 cups a day it actually has health benefits.

 

[Kingoffrogs]

Caffeine, Adderall, Vyvanse, maybe small amounts of meth orally if you can handle it (Desoxyn dose).

Kratom might be a good stimulant for some people, I wouldn't take it more than 3 times a week though.

Most other stims have horrible long term use effects. Amphetamines do too, to be fair, but not as bad as long term coke or cathinone use.

 

[Antares]

Anything other than caffeine is probably going to be seriously problematic for you, in all honesty. I think you need to figure out a way to improve your life situation. It sounds like the extreme isolation and shame are a serious problem.

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

So I will write a small novel here on my as some close people I know exp but mostly mine take on stims.

I live on coffee, Concerta prescribed 72mg, with breaks that I do on my own as that is how it works best, but not only because of that.

On break days, 2-max-3 ketamine comes in very handy as it lowers tolerance for me, that is for sure, but I do not think it is safe or similar.

It is very dangerous substance for someone without knowledge or control. as a lot countries has therapy legal so only with a specialist.​

and when feel crash from Concerta pregabalin is like a parachute for softer landing. also very addictive gabapentinoid!​

a brief sentence for the forum's psychedelic section
One bold suggestion: the ideal stim is low, mini, or microdose lsd, however dosing is challenging. It was always lsd when you got it on Blotter, but if you had work to do, you can have daily fluctuations in dosage.

"Spice opened my mind"!, it broadened my perspective. However, I can now tolerate light joints with Concerta and Pregabs 150mg.

However, I found that cannabis was hard on ADHD, or that it was best used for listening to music alone at home. In general, cannabis makes ADHD worse.

With Concerta, it now functions.

It strengthens empathy or avoids being a zombie-like indifference to other people. however, that is how I believe that after coming off of LSD and ketamine and switching to buprenorphine and other benzodiazepines, I can now view things differently, almost like turning anxiety in fight or flight than in energy only with breathing and meditation.
if that makes sense.

modafinil has a lengthy half-life, some of the folks I know have found success with reducing the amount to 50 mg per day. after my advice which was just that heard from my psych.
Armodafinil is a great stimulant but only one Indian as for Nuvigil but also there are hard to come by here but for those two I can say try it it won't hurt almost without fear of harm...
as they are made for daily longer period taking so it's a matter of self-awarenes and sefl-discipline for all those prescribed stims as nons

I switched it to MPH because it-moda and armoda(Waklert or Artvigil) gave me a slight irritation in addition to my mild dermatitis.

. Ephedra? Pretty sure its cardiotoxic though. Really don't have a lot for you, just nobody else had replied yet.

Ephedrine tried it brand Epherit 50mg or 25 it's strong Hungarian type. I think there is no more of it in production, that brand I saw like 8mg Canadian stuff and some other but very unnoticable.
amphetamines are hard to control in my case cause we don't have brand names here so it was amp sulfate which is a lot more chemicals in gram five or ounce , but I'm in the long proccess of getting Elvanse( german) Vyvansse, because I like more or I think I do cause it was long time ago and MPH works now so:

that feeling may be now my idea of being better and me knowing that it effects are pharmacologicaly different than mph. so am not rushing or don't bother.

Generaly good coffee is I think still worldwide the best stim as some good black teas.

Phentermine- was used or designed for weight-loss, I think the bottle was with 37,5mg and It was not bad like amphetamine very similar but a bit milder.
I see maybe that could be used daily??

sorry for long post it appears that my protein breakfast, skiping lunch or my clock is called I don't have a routine in general even my routine is not routine lunch and dinner-wise but nwm that
2x 36mg Concerta first 20-30 mins sublingual as it contains 22% or 7ish mg of MPH, it hits me or wakes me or what i like to call it: the Clarity after that is imperative to atleast drink water cause osmotic way works best as it pushes mph out of plastic shell. it is a difference cause I also forget to drink water on it so that is my experience:

I must mention that here there is no Ritalin or instant release of MPH even Dexmethylphenidate are not on the list of meds( red all erowid exp as BL and reddit and I think it's like addy and dexy almost or just levoamphetamine(peripheral) vs dextroamphetamine(cognitive).

Meth is the best stim and one of the best non-psychedelics, sa way of mine grouping drugs.
I think if Desoxyn were therapeuticaly started only with pro-therapist-doc-psych-spec. it is that i read some thesis or study and I think link was from here.
But that train for now is gone.
I got addy-fake pills 30s but guy that gave me told me to go quarter or half, but no the whole pill!( said methamphetamine for sure with dose almost 50 or more mgs) and half of it mad me superman doing inventory 12hrs so I saw the devil in it. I had no crash or comedown having pregabs and clonazepam at the time which makes it worse for addictive personality.

Rc stims- tried I think some fluorometh or 2fma, or 4fma can't remember as it was only one dose as I don't like to mess with DW these days so it was good not long lasting but 2-3 hrs but dose was low it reminded me of:
Mephedrone- in 2019 maybe before it was 2cnd day awake on after-party and friend said he can score some we had money I said well take everything he got as a joke but he did took couple g.s after my ex-gf took first, friend after and as we were on GHB without amphs for hrs very tired.
Then it became mephedrone week...we call it that
I think it is hard to find here atleast.- Why I thought and we all that it is best stim to that moment even for daily using?! cause only coke and amphs were tried at the time

people say about Bupropion or Wellbutrin being the same/similar to mph but it gave me Venlafaxine like feeling ( like being almost there and never get there)
Very frustrating

The last thing I don't smoke cigs when on Concerta so maybe that adds to feeling focused, fast-thinking. crash free less jittery.

as for harder ones because, coffee is like a essential thing that my body was born with like, caffeine is hormone that I need, dextroamphetamine should be one of the best ones daily or lisdex( same thing different way of distribute)

Last a question. Does anybody here has, had, ve prescription for Elvanse, if do? Does it work ok daily without benzos, opioids, muscle-relax or any psychotropic med. and if taking any of them How often you need something to balance yourself? and is it covered with insurance fully in EU, or it is being wrote in some book of narcotics like MPH here?

Sorry for torchure

Stay safe

 

[Thrax]

Tout autre chose que la caféine va probablement être sérieusement problématique pour vous, en toute honnêteté. Je pense que vous devez trouver un moyen d'améliorer votre situation de vie. On dirait que l'isolement extrême et la honte sont un problème grave.

Yes dear friend,
My real face make curse and despise me every place I go.

 

[Isavelaa]

I would say lisdexamphetamine.

 

[Jnowhere]

Yes dear friend,
My real face make curse and despise me every place I go.

It really makes me sad to hear about what you go through. I would avoid abusing any hard or illegal drugs.
They will turn on you. I used to be an alcoholic and I wrecked my life by being a drunk.
I caused a lot of damage to myself with alcohol and now I am stuck on prescription drugs.
I understand loneliness and sadness well. I live alone and have isolated myself, I don't want to get into the details, even as a reference point. The last time I explained my situation, things got ugly, I got banned for fighting with a mod and then thankfully unbanned.
Please don't make your life more miserable by getting addicted to drugs.
Please try not too be hard on yourself or do anything that will make life harder for yourself.
Sincerely
Jnowhere

 

[Narcodine777]

I would say lisdexamphetamine.

I agree having ADHD i am prescribed and take lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) pretty much every day. it's been the best option for me out of all the other ADHD medications but after long term use it definitely becomes much harder to function without it. the two biggest things i dislike are the nausea felt for about 1hr (until the meds kick in) and the appetite suppression. which could be a pro or con, I guess.

 

[Dextro .45]

Vyvanse (Lisdexamphetamine) would be ideal. A pro-drug metabolizes into active d-Amphetamine

3 hours to peak serum levels, lasting 8-10h approximately / Vyvanse 20mg = 6mg d-Amphetamine

a gradual slow onset, but very effective for long all day coverage….pure Dextro-Amphetamine being released into your bloodstream at a rate limited enzyme cleaving the Lysine amino acid off the molecule, thus releasing active d-Amphetamine gradually

Dexedrine Spansule 15mg XR capsules - d-Amphetamine
Dexedrine 5mg IR tablets as needed - d-Amphetamine

Would be my choice, but docs are scared because peak serum levels Spike Fast for IR d-Amph ……30mg IR BOOM like shooting pure Cocaine …..Vyvanse cannot be abused (per say lol) as it’s active metabolite does all the work, and is slowly released

Methylphenidate (Ritalin) 20mg tablets x 5-7 daily as needed would be my choice

Adderall XR 10mg capsule + Dexedrine 5mg IR 3-5 daily as needed (also my choice lol) the extra push of Adderall + d-Amph when needed

 

[burn out]

Tea is my favorite, but some prefer coffee or yerba mate. There's also herbs like ginseng and cordyceps that confer energy. Coca leaf.