What happened to the old sites

[dalpat077]

Does anybody know, or is prepared to wager a guess, as to what happened to the sites listed below.

• The Hive
• Synthetikal
• RogueSCI

Were they forced to close down or did they just implode due to a lack of support and members? And if it's the former i.e. if they were forced to close down then how come Erowid is still up and running (depending on the answers I receive I may just delete this last comment re: Erowid).

For the sake of interest and in my travels I've found that they're archived, almost in their entirety, on another site.

One other question:

How many of our resident experts here have dual nationality (membership) i.e. members both here and on drugs-forum?

I'm about to fire off some information and a request for input on one or two new threads right here. Point is: if our resident experts here (pretty sure you would know individually to whom I'm referring) are members on both there's little point to firing off the same stuff over there not? Or am I wrong i.e. second and third opinions and input and all?

 

[sekio]

They probably closed down because it's too legally sketchy to have people posting about their drug synthesis (i.e. criminal acts) on clearnet these days.

Erowid at least sticks to trip reports.

How many of our resident experts here have dual nationality (membership) i.e. members both here and on drugs-forum?

Most "resident experts" here find Drugs-Forum to be a waste of time. I know I do.

 

[dalpat077]

Here's a little nugget that I came across yesterday:

Welcome to Sciencemadness Dot Org

www.sciencemadness.org

To the general populous though:

Don't go registering on the site with a view to discussing the synthesis of illegal narcotics i.e. so far as I can tell they take a rather dim view of the same. That said: there's a detailed synthesis of Methaqualone on there. Only reason they let it stick is because of the trouble the dude went to and it's obvious his intention wasn't to manufacture on scale and distribute.

Another little nugget (you cannot say I'm not at least trying to help myself in the meantime):

Recreational Drugs Professor Buzz eBook.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[aemetha]

Most "resident experts" here find Drugs-Forum to be a waste of time. I know I do.

Much of the hive was, to my knowledge, recovered by drugs-forum. In order to avoid the fate of the hive we require members demonstrate a basic knowledge of chemistry or commitment to abide by the stricter rules than were absent and led to the legal actions which caused the downfall of the hive. If you are happy to abide by both the rules and/or demonstrate the requisite chemistry competence by completing the chemistry section application, then I would invite you to participate in growing that knowledge base.

To be clear, the drugs scene, world-wide, has changed since the time of the hive. That site operated in a relatively fentanyl-free world in which people died, but they didn't do so in such numbers that cannot be ignored by both law enforcement and the general populace at-large. The world changed. The hive closed. Bluelight changed. Drugs-forum changed. Drugs-forum is not anti-bluelight, and we hope that bluelight is not anti-drugs-forum. Indeed, both sites have become more specialised and have attracted different communities. We both serve the same causes of promoting harm reduction and assisting recovery though. It serves no purpose to snipe each other at the expense of alienating members of both.

I invite anyone, qualified, to visit our forum and access the information from the hive that was recovered, specifically in this thread @dalpat077 . I don't extend that invitation in partisan terms. What you learn from those threads you can relate to this forum as long as it is in your own words. It is not the intention of drugs-forum to exclude bluelight members nor to horde knowledge, so long as that relationship is reciprocal. It does however need to be understood that the restrictions placed on this knowledge were done so in order to avoid the same fate as the hive.

In summary, please, be welcome at drugs-forum as you are here. Please do demonstrate your aptitude to be safe and discreet with the knowledge you acquire from us. Please share that knowledge, with a firm intent to preserve the knowledge and the emphasis on harm reduction, which does save lives however futile the task seems at times.

Thanks for reading,
Aemetha
Drugs-forum Staff

Hoping for a better relationship going forward.

 

[dalpat077]

Much of the hive was, to my knowledge, recovered by drugs-forum. In order to avoid the fate of the hive we require members demonstrate a basic knowledge of chemistry or commitment to abide by the stricter rules than were absent and led to the legal actions which caused the downfall of the hive. If you are happy to abide by both the rules and/or demonstrate the requisite chemistry competence by completing the chemistry section application, then I would invite you to participate in growing that knowledge base.

To be clear, the drugs scene, world-wide, has changed since the time of the hive. That site operated in a relatively fentanyl-free world in which people died, but they didn't do so in such numbers that cannot be ignored by both law enforcement and the general populace at-large. The world changed. The hive closed. Bluelight changed. Drugs-forum changed. Drugs-forum is not anti-bluelight, and we hope that bluelight is not anti-drugs-forum. Indeed, both sites have become more specialised and have attracted different communities. We both serve the same causes of promoting harm reduction and assisting recovery though. It serves no purpose to snipe each other at the expense of alienating members of both.

I invite anyone, qualified, to visit our forum and access the information from the hive that was recovered, specifically in this thread @dalpat077 . I don't extend that invitation in partisan terms. What you learn from those threads you can relate to this forum as long as it is in your own words. It is not the intention of drugs-forum to exclude bluelight members nor to horde knowledge, so long as that relationship is reciprocal. It does however need to be understood that the restrictions placed on this knowledge were done so in order to avoid the same fate as the hive.

In summary, please, be welcome at drugs-forum as you are here. Please do demonstrate your aptitude to be safe and discreet with the knowledge you acquire from us. Please share that knowledge, with a firm intent to preserve the knowledge and the emphasis on harm reduction, which does save lives however futile the task seems at times.

Thanks for reading,
Aemetha
Drugs-forum Staff

Hoping for a better relationship going forward.

Hey @aemetha.

Thanks for the great post.

For the record: it wasn't my intention at all to play the one up against the other by mentioning drugs-forum here. Matter of fact I had been invited to join drugs-forum some time ago but to provide harm reduction advice.

Anyway. I'm not aware of any animosity between the two forums. Certainly not from my side anyway. Guess my point was that if a chemist here was also a member that side well then there'd be little point going down the same rabbit hole(s) on both forums.

Also for the record and for the sake of interest: the archives to which I referred I found on a site called thevespiary.org. Not sure how complete the archives are. But the site itself seems kinda dead so no point in signing up there.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Drugs-forum is not anti-bluelight, and we hope that bluelight is not anti-drugs-forum. Indeed, both sites have become more specialised and have attracted different communities. We both serve the same causes of promoting harm reduction and assisting recovery though. It serves no purpose to snipe each other at the expense of alienating members of both.

Welcome aemetha. And no, we're not anti-DF or anti-anyone honestly. We do address similar content and a similar userbase, although we each approach it in our own way. The public can choose what suits them best, or join both!

Anyway. I'm not aware of any animosity between the two forums.

There may be some DF members who left us with some resent, and I've picked up at times we have new arrivals as they leave DF. But overall, it is individuals unhappy with how one place or the other operates and they are trying to find a home that fits them. So, there may be a sprinkling of disklike among members in one direction or another, but nothing between the sites themselves or the staff.



I've actually asked in our staff forum if we can start building a better relationship with sister sites, ones I'd consider of similar content and users, so we can help one another get stronger, even if it is just sharing tips and ideas. We're hashing it out among staff for now, but will likely put something public before long. Problem is determining which of our forums is most appropriate.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Don't go registering on the site with a view to discussing the synthesis of illegal narcotics i.e. so far as I can tell they take a rather dim view of the same. That said: there's a detailed synthesis of Methaqualone on there.

Please keep in mind, part of what has kept our site alive is the strict prohibition of illegal activity, specifically any buying or selling, but we also keep a fairly close eye on synthesis. We try to balance the harm reduction of someone who is determined to attempt it and may seriously harm themselves or others against the risk they are looking to manufacture.

 

[Gaffy]

I would also like to know what happened to some of the older posts here on bluelight. Not even half of my old posts from another account are ondine.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I would also like to know what happened to some of the older posts here on bluelight. Not even half of my old posts from another account are ondine.

>>SUSPENDED<< Prune v2018

And others like it in the years preceding. We no longer are doing regular pruning of posts.

 

[arrall]

I believe that the owner of The Hive was arrested. The site went down soon after, and has since been archived on some other sites that can be found fairly easily via Google.
I'm not familiar with the other two communities that you mentioned.

 

[izo]

I believe that the owner of The Hive was arrested

Wasn’t the hive hosted by Strike? He got out of prison sometime around 2016 or 2017. I was also a member of drugs-forum but didn’t frequent it for years. Apart from the vespiary and Hyperlab there is also a Reddit group called the hive dealing also with substance synthesis.

 

[arrall]

Reddit group

I’ve seen some terrible, dangerous, and outright lethal advice being propagated in that subreddit.

The idiots who can’t take it off Reddit and figure out how to find the sites dedicated to these discussions are not the ones you want to be taking chemistry advice from.

Also, didn’t Reddit take down the bee subreddits recently?

 

[izo]

I’ve seen some terrible, dangerous, and outright lethal advice being propagated in that subreddit.

The idiots who can’t take it off Reddit and figure out how to find the sites dedicated to these discussions are not the ones you want to be taking chemistry advice from.

Also, didn’t Reddit take down the bee subreddits recently?

dont know for sure but i think its still up. but yes, there have been question asked that clearly indicate that its nothing like the end 90er the hive.

 

[Rectify]

I have a degree in Chemistry from UGA and a certificate in Drug and Medical Device Development from MIT. Don't worry. I'm not planning to join your website, but I've done my homework not in synthesis but in Chemistry as a whole. I am plenty qualified. Aromaticity

 

[ex-amine]

there was even an bluelight related hidden 'black-site' where there was no ban on chemistry, how i know ? i was once a mod under a very different name...Vektor and F&B know.

 

[Skorpio]

there was even an bluelight related hidden 'black-site' where there was no ban on chemistry, how i know ? i was once a mod under a very different name...Vektor and F&B know.

That site was quite good, albeit traffic got fairly slow. Reading posts there in late high school got me interested in chemistry. I remember one of the first radula marginata bioassays being on that site.

 

[izo]

there were some bluelighters on blacklight, we know the usual posse from geesthacht mainly. and well, also some well know LKA workers from Kiel posted in blacklight. ive read many of their papers and they even brought one out about this crappy 2cb-bzp that they seized in my rooms around 2005. law enforcement is deeper into this drug game than anywhere else in germany. leather lars was there and got banned as here on bl. grüsse and fritschi, auwärter und den anderen volker. bald feierabend, ne? neue riege steht an, verbrechensbekämpfung, freund und helfer, yadayadayada. Herrn Maurer habe ich als etwas älter und fülliger in erinnerung aber das paper über den metabolismus von a-pvp war nun wirklich überflüssig da bereits abgehandelt.

 

[Rectify]

JERRY
1-phenyl-2-propylaminopropane

Designer-ish Amphetamine substrate.
by AMP

 

[vecktor]

there was even an bluelight related hidden 'black-site' where there was no ban on chemistry, how i know ? i was once a mod under a very different name...Vektor and F&B know.

indeed there was,
nice to see you!
not everyone is dead which is good to see. fastandbulbulousity I see is still curving on this particular mortal coil.

Certain fields of chemistry discussion has by necessity become secretive and privileged which greatly slows the inevitable progress to the singularity, because the world is really not the same anymore, the darkness and the stupid is temporarily ascendant.