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What drives women to drink?

slimvictor

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They're imbibing more, relative to their male counterparts. Science can't yet explain why

For a pithy reminder of how social attitudes towards male and female drinking can differ, one need look no further than the above comment featured in a Sun story about ladette culture from a few years back. The word ‘ladette’ first appeared in the 1990s, defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as ‘a young woman who behaves in a boisterously assertive or crude manner and engages in heavy drinking sessions’. It is not, of course, a compliment. Excessive drinking may not always be applauded in young men, but it is generally regarded as normal. In young women, on the other hand, the same behaviour is deplored by some as yet another symptom of society’s inexorable moral decline.

‘In many cultures,’ write Marja Holmila and Kirsimarja Raitasalo, ‘alcohol is one of the more powerful symbols of gender roles and identities.’ It’s an assertion that certainly seems credible for Western societies, where alcohol and masculinity seem almost inseparably intertwined. Men have licence to drink—regularly and to excess. Indeed, being able to hold your drink is seen as a mark of a ‘real’ man. Where do men socialize? In the pub. (Even alcoholic drinks themselves are sometimes seen as gendered. Although attitudes and behaviour may be changing, a woman sipping a pint of real ale, or a man ordering a small glass of white wine can still in certain circumstances seem like acts of quiet transgression.)

For women, things are not so clear cut. For centuries, abstinence has been celebrated as an essentially feminine virtue—hence the power and notoriety of Hogarth’s Gin Lane, at the centre of which is a mother so drunk that she doesn’t notice or care that she’s dropped her terrified infant. It’s not so long ago that pubs, for example, were almost exclusively male preserves. And while attitudes have clearly changed in some respects, concerns about female drinking—and particularly drunkenness—persist: witness, for example, the furore over the antics of ‘ladettes’, the title itself an indication that these young women are perceived to be behaving in a decidedly unfeminine way.

Given the acres of newsprint dedicated to the admittedly rising rate of female alcohol consumption, it’s hard not to conclude that women’s drinking touches a cultural raw nerve. (And, as the quotation at the start of this chapter indicates, has done so for many years.) Nothing, it seems, shocks like a drunken woman. How will she take care of her children, her husband, her home? Particular opprobrium is reserved for the woman who drinks while pregnant. Experts do not know how much alcohol it is safe to drink during pregnancy: guidelines vary across the world. But the picture that emerges from newspaper headlines is apocalyptic: ‘Glass or two of wine a week “could damage baby”’; ‘Drinking alcohol while pregnant weakens mother’s bond with child’; ‘Moderate drinking while pregnant doubles risk of child becoming depressed’; and perhaps worst of all: ‘Mothers who drink while pregnant “can give their children a taste for alcohol.”

There’s certainly evidence that women believe that female drunkenness is perceived more negatively than excessive drinking by men. In one study in the United States, for example, the women questioned thought that 50 per cent of other people would strongly disapprove of a woman drinking too much at a party; a drunken man, on the other hand, would offend just 30 per cent. Maybe society’s dim view of female drinking partly explains why women tend to reduce their alcohol intake when they become mothers (just the time, you might think, when a couple of glasses of wine at the end of the day are more welcome than ever). Fathers, incidentally, do not alter their drinking habits with the arrival of their offspring. And perhaps it’s one of the reasons why women typically reduce their drinking when they start work, while men increase it. Women may be acutely aware that, in society’s eyes, alcohol and the role allotted to them—particularly as wives and mothers—do not mix.

Could these cultural attitudes partly explain the difference between male and female rates of alcohol disorder? It’s entirely plausible: traditionally, men have been pushed towards alcohol, while women have been pulled away. Drinking and especially drunkenness have been regarded as normal for men and abnormal for women. And there’s reasonable evidence to support such a hypothesis, though it’s far from proven. We haven’t come across any really powerful tests of the theory, possibly because such a test would be so difficult to design. Defining gender roles and measuring social beliefs about them are a tricky business. It’s made more complicated by the fact that these beliefs vary so much both within and between countries, meaning that it’s difficult to compare like with like. Despite this, several studies seem to bear out the idea that rates of alcohol disorder reflect social views about drink and gender.

The husband-and-wife team of Richard and Sharon Wilsnack have spent decades investigating the interactions between gender, culture, and alcohol use. (Richard Wilsnack is a sociologist; Sharon Wilsnack, a clinical psychologist. Both are based at the University of North Dakota.) One of their early studies, conducted in the 1970s, covered 13,000 girls and 5,000 boys. Those girls who rejected conventional ideas of female behaviour tended to drink more, and were at greater risk of alcohol-related problems. And a number of other cross-sectional studies have shown that, if you take out the effect of gender roles, the gap between male and female alcohol use and abuse narrows. The masculine stereotype normalizes excessive drinking; the feminine stereotype, on the other hand, encourages abstinence or at least moderation. It’s no wonder that men are more prone to alcohol disorders.

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http://www.salon.com/2013/07/13/what_drives_women_to_drink/singleton/?google_editors_picks=true
 
Well, if they're soccer-moms, I'd say an SUV would drive them to drink. A sauce-guzzler in a Gas-guzzler. How fitting.
 
the same things that cause men to drink: it is a pleasurable activity?
 
By phrasing the title in such a way, the author seems to be unwilling to assign agency to women who choose to drink.
A better question: why do women choose to drink (so much)?
 
^women are twice as likely to suffer from anxiety disorders.
also: fight or flight is activated and lasts longer in women than men.
also: girls, they wanna have fun.
 
What's driving more women to drink is the same thing that drove our fathers and grandfathers to drink. Women, especially, younger women, are taking over formerly male-dominated roles. Single women are the ones most likely to be home buyers, far in excess of young men, and women are overtaking men in middle management positions, too. Plus there's a 40:60 male:female college graduation rate. Women are the ones with the real jobs and ambitions, and, as our fathers and grandfathers knew, real jobs really suck.

Maliciousness said:
Look at all the newer representations of men in pop culture: we're Peter Griffins, 40 year old virgins, Jason Schwartzmans, Micheal Cerras, or we've "failed to launch." Popular culture is just reflecting the social reality of Western nations, whose young male populations are increasingly comprised of non-committal, directionless Peter Pan types who no longer work within the hierarchical organization of the manufacturing economies that have traditionally forged masculine identities. They have nowhere else to go either. Instead of the stern, providing, mustached pricks of yor, women now essentially have permanent teenaged boys to chose from for husbands, if they're not chronically single, plus they've got to provide for the kids, so they're getting hammered to deal. It's just like dear ol' dad used to do.

Next, women will take up ice fishing.
 
Look at all the newer representations of men in pop culture: we're Peter Griffins, 40 year old virgins, Jason Schwartzmans, Micheal Cerras, or we've "failed to launch." Popular culture is just reflecting the social reality of Western nations, whose young male populations are increasingly comprised of non-committal, directionless Peter Pan types who no longer work within the hierarchical organization of the manufacturing economies that have traditionally forged masculine identities. They have nowhere else to go either. Instead of the stern, providing, mustached pricks of yor, women now essentially have permanent teenaged boys to chose from for husbands, if they're not chronically single, plus they've got to provide for the kids, so they're getting hammered to deal. It's just like dear ol' dad used to do.

Next, women will take up ice fishing.

I must have smoked/shot something really good today.
 
^Heh. Further reading: The End of Men

Hell, from this article:
The most important finding seems to be that the gender ratios between men’s and women’s rates of drinking and of its consequences are negatively correlated with women’s position within society: the higher women’s position, the smaller the difference between men[’s] and women[’s] drinking rates. . . . ocietal differences between men’s and women’s drinking are largely a function of the differentiation between men’s and women’s positions in society. As the roles of men and women are becoming increasingly similar in many social areas, the differences in drinking behaviour tend to diminish.
 
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What's driving more women to drink is the same thing that drove our fathers and grandfathers to drink. Women, especially, younger women, are taking over formerly male-dominated roles. Single women are the ones most likely to be home buyers, far in excess of young men, and women are overtaking men in middle management positions, too. Plus there's a 40:60 male:female college graduation rate. Women are the ones with the real jobs and ambitions, and, as our fathers and grandfathers knew, real jobs really suck.


Look at all the newer representations of men in pop culture: we're Peter Griffins, 40 year old virgins, Jason Schwartzmans, Micheal Cerras, or we've "failed to launch." Popular culture is just reflecting the social reality of Western nations, whose young male populations are increasingly comprised of non-committal, directionless Peter Pan types who no longer work within the hierarchical organization of the manufacturing economies that have traditionally forged masculine identities. They have nowhere else to go either. Instead of the stern, providing, mustached pricks of yor, women now essentially have permanent teenaged boys to chose from for husbands, if they're not chronically single, plus they've got to provide for the kids, so they're getting hammered to deal. It's just like dear ol' dad used to do.

Next, women will take up ice fishing.

I love this post!


The trend exists, and may be even worse, in Japan.
Selfish, incapable, naive boys become selfish, incapable, naive men.
Most college-age guys can't take care of themselves in even the most basic ways.
They save their dirty laundry to take home to mom on weekends.
They can't even cook rice, which is the staple food here, so they live on cup ramen.
They have been pampered, and expect to be the center of a woman's (or, possibly, man's) universe.
Even if they are lazy and greedy.

Also, the way that nearly all social institutions in nearly all societies are stacked against women from the start could easily drive anyone to drink.
 
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According to research done over the past 8 years... dating me. Dating me. That's what does it.
 
Being a young merican man, I am lazy, don't do my laundry, and never cook anything harder than pizza rolls. I'm going to go do some opiates and smoke bowls while watching adult swim to ensure I fit my stereotype as much possible.

Women here in USA got it made slimvictor. Social institutes are stacked towards them some affirmative action bull.
They get specialty scholarships but theres no white men only scholarships.
Expect to have everything bought/provided on dates.
Can't be hit but can hit.
 
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