yoyoman
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- Jun 11, 2006
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I got sucked into this work after my first couple shroom trips. We /they/ the ones who love tripping, the doctors studying them right now, all people inside this world say psychedelics aren’t addicting.
But tripping was SO interesting I immediately became obsessed with all things chemically related. Receptor and pharmacology nerd. It’s basically what i did for half of life.
We aren’t bad people, and sometimes occasionally during all the experimentation new great useful things are discovered. I like that science can do science but I also think some of that has…profit motives which corrupt everything (not completely but you know what I mean?)
I feel like the entire world ends up doing what I did, just with a 15-20 year delay.
I’m seeing ketamine ads everywhere, TikTok psychiatry has invaded, the adhd talk, have you ever known anyone fixed or helped by psychiatrists? I don’t mean “they say they feel good” I mean reliable outside measureable indicators the person is better (healthy, relationships, career oriented, etc). Maybe I’m a bit harsh on psychiatry, I’m biased having been thru the system so much and not a single med ever helped to get a normal life.
All the new content out there can make someone get pulled into several life paths. Has any psychiatrist ever told you to make a small effort to go to the cheapest gym near you for 10 minutes everyday? 3 times a week changed me but everyday or most days is better. I’ve had limited experience with therapy but I can’t ever remember any of them really giving me much useful information either (I’m sure it’s not as bad as psychiatry).
But a random life coach video on tiktok, maybe the life coach thing is an upper class thing? They tell you what to do, and it works. How to get organized, push farther rather than try to “reduce annoying emotions”. I got friends who take anti depressants and I do notice a change but it’d usually bad. They seem like they aren’t the same person or just like content with not a great life. Emotionally numb.
I’m not even feeling or trying for this to be like a black and white rant about what’s good or not good. It’s just that most of us are naive and believe authority or assume anything being legalized probably ain’t bad. Psychiatrists and the whole medical system makes a LOT of money and I’m not even claiming it’s all bad or evil or anything - however, if the industry really cared about people, there would be a lot more research happening over the long term. Not sure I want to go on a side rant about some of science being corrupt at this moment but let’s talk about it (university’s limited $,career pressure to only do some studies for finding or prestige).
I find it really odd theres not much research about long term stimulant use for things like adderall,yet there’s tons of meth research. I was deep into this scene and always defending the drug - “well meth has more dopamine release” meth has less physical side effects, etc.
I see people who use adhd amphetamines doing similar things. They “feel” they’re getting more done, in a great mood, and that reward center is triggered and they’ll defend what the brain thinks is going to help their survival. But myself being the biggest stim lover.. hindsight closer to 20/20..
Those memories, of how much more awake and great I feel, always nag at me even years of not taking them. I’m seeing this happen to a lot of people, found a sort of viral TikTok thing about it.
People that started taking it as a kid or college even if only 5 years never feel the same again. Some people are more resistant than others. But the fact is it’s too risky for most people, no one needs to be giving power to the awful justice system and cops etc like these things- maybe gambling included, should have ads banned, maybe just research and risks broadcasted at an equal level. The pro psychiatry stuff is always going to say its great and say the absolute minimum required by law about the negatives.
It’s mostly harmful, I’m not suddenly turning into a conservative or anti drug it’s just I really didn’t even notice how biased I was myself. Like i just did not accept drugs are bad, there’s always convenient studies that pop up on google to confirm your bias.
I’m even skeptical of a lot of the MAPS and psychedelic stuff. I mean I’m glad research is happening, but it’s being advertised as a risk free cure for all things. I tried ketamine it did not affect depression whatsoever, I actually hate how it feels as well. But why would i assume I’m depressed, maybe it’s just because I spent so much time on drug obsessions I quit or slowed down on electronics, computer programming. I also just sort of “paused” on growth, career wasn’t even a word I would ever think about.
But hot damn I’m in my early 40s and it stings, I got some duis and another mild thing way long ago (which is so wrong on so many levels, no one deserves permanent life damage just because they happened to fall down one rabbit hole and not another one. Some of us just were not taught or taught the wrong thing - even by well intentioned, great people who mean well.
Sometimes some of these things DO help SOME people.All I’m saying is, try finding some rodel who has done the work of finding the good stuff from the bad and wrote a book about it. Really try to find someone who is glowing with empathy and has zero snake oil vibes, people that seem to be doing life right (but not lucky) there’s things that seem to just work for nearly everyone. It usually involves pain or organization, less time wasting, automating. Involves work. I’m not one of those people that likes to say those annoying lines “welp! U gotta put in the work! More more more!” I hate work and pain.
But unfortunately it’s the universe we’re stuck in.
I don’t want to rant but after 20 years i def can say I wish I had never tried any drug, even weed probably or definitely is bad for most people lives. It’s not wrong to use drugs it’s not wrong to want to feel better for a short time it’s just risky… as fuck.
Even ONE dose of a drug can permanently put a voice in your head because you’ll never forget it.
I can see clearly now that the super attractive people who are just… same and normal, seem happy, they’re never on any type of chemical, no anti depessants. Even those people vs people who “drink once a week” the sober ones win.
Somehow sober people seem to learn the same trippy cool life stuff i learned during chemical experiences but had all the extra time to work on careers themselves etc. More research on the bad side and long term changes. Adhd stimulants make people play less, it’s almost impossible to laugh on them, this will change a person over time.
DMT should be researched, specifically the new dmt vape pens they sell online could be a treatment for cluster headaches (instant relief) and maybe for depression where your default mode network thinks too much. Low doses of dmt just shuts down some parts while shifting resources to others, maybe the wow / awe inspiring beauty can be good. DMT actually sometimes stops schizophrenic voices
So these things need need research but less “belief” in them. One guy from this site I won’t name was hyped about ibogaine, did it, but then fell back into opiates - but did not post about it. Psychedelic people seem to do that a lot, they believe so strongly in them they cannot accept criticism or something not working out. They don’t want to make it look bad etc.
Some people seem to be able to handle most of this stuff while retaining a high paid career etc but I think its a minority.
I feel like i have to start making sort or anti drug videos but not really anti just feel like if one young person sees me explaining the true risks, just try cardio and some basic weights at a gym for 3 months, do EVERYTHING before going to a psychiatrist. Maybe someday, our culture will change to people doing all these beautiful drugs when they are old and retired and everything is set up and death is coming somewhat soon. Maybe that’s the time to party
.
I feel sad knowing adderall anti depressants all that stuff is becoming a huge trend and most of it doesn’t work. Most of it stunts your emotional growth. Everyone i can think of who i know, I can remember about when they started taking psych drugs and looking at their lives from the outside… they all just act normal but growth stopped. Or they’re kids are now messed up adults maybe because of how chemicals screw with our emotions - this is a huge thing I believe.
But tripping was SO interesting I immediately became obsessed with all things chemically related. Receptor and pharmacology nerd. It’s basically what i did for half of life.
We aren’t bad people, and sometimes occasionally during all the experimentation new great useful things are discovered. I like that science can do science but I also think some of that has…profit motives which corrupt everything (not completely but you know what I mean?)
I feel like the entire world ends up doing what I did, just with a 15-20 year delay.
I’m seeing ketamine ads everywhere, TikTok psychiatry has invaded, the adhd talk, have you ever known anyone fixed or helped by psychiatrists? I don’t mean “they say they feel good” I mean reliable outside measureable indicators the person is better (healthy, relationships, career oriented, etc). Maybe I’m a bit harsh on psychiatry, I’m biased having been thru the system so much and not a single med ever helped to get a normal life.
All the new content out there can make someone get pulled into several life paths. Has any psychiatrist ever told you to make a small effort to go to the cheapest gym near you for 10 minutes everyday? 3 times a week changed me but everyday or most days is better. I’ve had limited experience with therapy but I can’t ever remember any of them really giving me much useful information either (I’m sure it’s not as bad as psychiatry).
But a random life coach video on tiktok, maybe the life coach thing is an upper class thing? They tell you what to do, and it works. How to get organized, push farther rather than try to “reduce annoying emotions”. I got friends who take anti depressants and I do notice a change but it’d usually bad. They seem like they aren’t the same person or just like content with not a great life. Emotionally numb.
I’m not even feeling or trying for this to be like a black and white rant about what’s good or not good. It’s just that most of us are naive and believe authority or assume anything being legalized probably ain’t bad. Psychiatrists and the whole medical system makes a LOT of money and I’m not even claiming it’s all bad or evil or anything - however, if the industry really cared about people, there would be a lot more research happening over the long term. Not sure I want to go on a side rant about some of science being corrupt at this moment but let’s talk about it (university’s limited $,career pressure to only do some studies for finding or prestige).
I find it really odd theres not much research about long term stimulant use for things like adderall,yet there’s tons of meth research. I was deep into this scene and always defending the drug - “well meth has more dopamine release” meth has less physical side effects, etc.
I see people who use adhd amphetamines doing similar things. They “feel” they’re getting more done, in a great mood, and that reward center is triggered and they’ll defend what the brain thinks is going to help their survival. But myself being the biggest stim lover.. hindsight closer to 20/20..
Those memories, of how much more awake and great I feel, always nag at me even years of not taking them. I’m seeing this happen to a lot of people, found a sort of viral TikTok thing about it.
People that started taking it as a kid or college even if only 5 years never feel the same again. Some people are more resistant than others. But the fact is it’s too risky for most people, no one needs to be giving power to the awful justice system and cops etc like these things- maybe gambling included, should have ads banned, maybe just research and risks broadcasted at an equal level. The pro psychiatry stuff is always going to say its great and say the absolute minimum required by law about the negatives.
It’s mostly harmful, I’m not suddenly turning into a conservative or anti drug it’s just I really didn’t even notice how biased I was myself. Like i just did not accept drugs are bad, there’s always convenient studies that pop up on google to confirm your bias.
I’m even skeptical of a lot of the MAPS and psychedelic stuff. I mean I’m glad research is happening, but it’s being advertised as a risk free cure for all things. I tried ketamine it did not affect depression whatsoever, I actually hate how it feels as well. But why would i assume I’m depressed, maybe it’s just because I spent so much time on drug obsessions I quit or slowed down on electronics, computer programming. I also just sort of “paused” on growth, career wasn’t even a word I would ever think about.
But hot damn I’m in my early 40s and it stings, I got some duis and another mild thing way long ago (which is so wrong on so many levels, no one deserves permanent life damage just because they happened to fall down one rabbit hole and not another one. Some of us just were not taught or taught the wrong thing - even by well intentioned, great people who mean well.
Sometimes some of these things DO help SOME people.All I’m saying is, try finding some rodel who has done the work of finding the good stuff from the bad and wrote a book about it. Really try to find someone who is glowing with empathy and has zero snake oil vibes, people that seem to be doing life right (but not lucky) there’s things that seem to just work for nearly everyone. It usually involves pain or organization, less time wasting, automating. Involves work. I’m not one of those people that likes to say those annoying lines “welp! U gotta put in the work! More more more!” I hate work and pain.
But unfortunately it’s the universe we’re stuck in.
I don’t want to rant but after 20 years i def can say I wish I had never tried any drug, even weed probably or definitely is bad for most people lives. It’s not wrong to use drugs it’s not wrong to want to feel better for a short time it’s just risky… as fuck.
Even ONE dose of a drug can permanently put a voice in your head because you’ll never forget it.
I can see clearly now that the super attractive people who are just… same and normal, seem happy, they’re never on any type of chemical, no anti depessants. Even those people vs people who “drink once a week” the sober ones win.
Somehow sober people seem to learn the same trippy cool life stuff i learned during chemical experiences but had all the extra time to work on careers themselves etc. More research on the bad side and long term changes. Adhd stimulants make people play less, it’s almost impossible to laugh on them, this will change a person over time.
DMT should be researched, specifically the new dmt vape pens they sell online could be a treatment for cluster headaches (instant relief) and maybe for depression where your default mode network thinks too much. Low doses of dmt just shuts down some parts while shifting resources to others, maybe the wow / awe inspiring beauty can be good. DMT actually sometimes stops schizophrenic voices
So these things need need research but less “belief” in them. One guy from this site I won’t name was hyped about ibogaine, did it, but then fell back into opiates - but did not post about it. Psychedelic people seem to do that a lot, they believe so strongly in them they cannot accept criticism or something not working out. They don’t want to make it look bad etc.
Some people seem to be able to handle most of this stuff while retaining a high paid career etc but I think its a minority.
I feel like i have to start making sort or anti drug videos but not really anti just feel like if one young person sees me explaining the true risks, just try cardio and some basic weights at a gym for 3 months, do EVERYTHING before going to a psychiatrist. Maybe someday, our culture will change to people doing all these beautiful drugs when they are old and retired and everything is set up and death is coming somewhat soon. Maybe that’s the time to party
. I feel sad knowing adderall anti depressants all that stuff is becoming a huge trend and most of it doesn’t work. Most of it stunts your emotional growth. Everyone i can think of who i know, I can remember about when they started taking psych drugs and looking at their lives from the outside… they all just act normal but growth stopped. Or they’re kids are now messed up adults maybe because of how chemicals screw with our emotions - this is a huge thing I believe.
