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Opioids [U.S.A.] What can someone with chronic pain do if they need safe/legal pain medication?

Poppy_Princess

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I had an emergency C section to save me and my sons life, during which, the anesthesiologist put a shot in my spine and my back muscle twitched without my control and fucked my back up really bad. I signed up for suboxone treatment thinking it could give me some relief (I take 8mg 2 times a day) and it doesn't touch the pain the literally leaves me useless. I feel like my sons childhood isn't what it can be... I feel like I am cheating him and my husband out of having a healthy and happy life. I've thought about switching to methadone... I've called the clinic and they pretty much told me I have to go every single day for about a month or two and the first day I'll be given 5 mg and be increased 5mg at a time until my "correct" dosage is reached.. I've heard horror stories about methadone though... I've had multiple car accidents after the C section that have further damaged my spine... I am at a loss.. what does anyone suggest I do? I ask you guys here, because y'all know how difficult it is to get legitimate pain medication in a country that is possessed with what some people call "Opioid Hysteria". I've joins "Don't Punish Pain" Rally's along with other chronic pain advocate groups and social medias and a'lot of folks are experiencing what I am and far worse... (one woman experienced 3rd degree burns, her skin was legitimately falling off and the ER gave her asprin)
 
The dark web is where everyone shops. Maybe poppy pods.

The posts you have made in North and South American drug discussion are about as close to sourcing as we can get without breaking the rules.

So people that can't get a script have only a few options. Buy someone else's script. Order from the dark web. Or try and find a good pod vendor.

Or....jump through the hoops and get methadone or suboxone.

As mentioned before in your other threads we can't help you with vendors on the web.
 
its not difficult to get Suboxone at least not anywhere I have stayed. But yes this is the unfortunate part of us oxy lovers is its fucking hard to get and if you do its crazy expensive
 
The dark web is where everyone shops. Maybe poppy pods.

The posts you have made in North and South American drug discussion are about as close to sourcing as we can get without breaking the rules.

So people that can't get a script have only a few options. Buy someone else's script. Order from the dark web. Or try and find a good pod vendor.

Or....jump through the hoops and get methadone or suboxone.

As mentioned before in your other threads we can't help you with vendors on the web.
Thank you for your detailed response i will look into buying poppy pods I used to make PST
 
If you're on 16mg a day then no opiates are going to get through that. Also I'm not trying to be a dick as I also have chronic pain, but your not at a level 10 of pain. 10 is the worst imaginable pain you can experience and when you tell a doctor your pain is 10 they have a tendency to not believe you.
 
If you're on 16mg a day then no opiates are going to get through that. Also I'm not trying to be a dick as I also have chronic pain, but your not at a level 10 of pain. 10 is the worst imaginable pain you can experience and when you tell a doctor your pain is 10 they have a tendency to not believe you.
Yeah, they don't believe ya when you say much past a 7 as depending what is wrong with you they already know how much pain a person should be in. Granted some have a high tolerance for pain and others have a low but they know how the body responds to injury so they pretty much know how much pain you are in. Someone passing a kidney stone is worse off than the guy with a broken wrist. Those face charts they have in ER's are so silly. #1 has a big ol' smile on it's face and the farther you go in the chart the more it looks like the faces are straining to take a healthy dump !!

They always roll their eyes when we go in with a headache and say our pain is a ten so we can get a shot of Dilaudid. They come in with a syringe but all it has is Toradol in it. :ROFLMAO:
 
If you're on 16mg a day then no opiates are going to get through that. Also I'm not trying to be a dick as I also have chronic pain, but your not at a level 10 of pain. 10 is the worst imaginable pain you can experience and when you tell a doctor your pain is 10 they have a tendency to not believe you.
Good point and not trying to be a dick. Subuxone is unfortunately a hit or miss with people. Was a complete miss with me even at the max doses of 32 mgs a day, I just could not feel 100% but I definitely was never at a 10 or an 8?

I came off of 11+ year fentanyl heroin IV and immense benzodiazepines and when the methadone clinic was switching me from subuxone to methadone they asked my withdrawals on a scale of 1-10 I said I would like to say 10 subjectively that’s how I feel, but I’m not screaming out loud in agony or reaching for the phone to call 911… that’s a 10.

It felt like the worst of withdrawals from poly withdrawal was a solid 9-9.5 when I had to go to the ER and resort to the methadone clinic.

Your options are few in the USA seems like you’re the type of person that needs a full agonist like methadone to help you. It’s good you gave bupe a try before hand because it is a commitment and lifestyle change for sure.

I still don’t have my take homes I keep fuckin up 10-14 days clean and do Xanax or fent again piss dirty never got take homes. Then again in CA the slow process of increasing my dose made me feel like shit the first month I was adjusting. The switch from subuxone to methadone is easy and shouldn’t be an issue it’s not the other way around. I came in the clinic 24 hours after taking 24 mgs subuxone the clinic doctor saw my large pupils goosebumps sweating and scored me on a withdrawal scale and said I was in enough withdrawal to switch that day. There’s a ton of paperwork and bam I got 30 mgs my first day, 40 mgs second day, 50 mgs the third then it was 10 mgs every 4-7 days but after 50 they require a full doctors appointment and piss test for each 10 mgs increase which is a pain especially when you keep testing dirty like me it doesn’t help having that awkward appointment which I actually have tomorrow…

I never read or heard or starting at 5 mgs only what state are you in??
 
It sounds like you need an alternative to any opioid medication. You may want to combine any opioid you choose to pick, with something like baclofen and marijuana. You have to find out what receptors are firing off and causing your pain. It could be involved with NMDA receptors (which would mean ketamine and its analogues or even methadone may actually be the right choice), or it could be involved with calcium channels, in which lyrica, gabapentin, baclofen, phenibut would all help.

I think that we humans have come to misunderstand pain and what is causing the pain. Opioids may help temporarily, but once tolerance is built, i dont see how any opioid could continue providing relief from pain. Unfortunately for pain management, you will want to probably find multiple different drugs or medications that act on multiple different receptor systems, and switch back and forth to prevent any tolerance from building. Amphetamines, especially meth for instance, is actually a better pain killer than really any opioid or gabapentinoid in my humble opinion --- not that i suggest meth use, thats a terrible prospect, but a bonus for us users i guess.

Expand your horizon. Dont just search for opioids. There are many other drugs out there that you can find that will help. I would suggest finding a ketamine clinic if you have them in your state (yay for illinois! Ill be joining a clinic myself very soon when i am off suboxone). If not, if you can find ketamine or MXE by a crazy chance, they will probably help you way more than any opioid.
 
I had an emergency C section to save me and my sons life, during which, the anesthesiologist put a shot in my spine and my back muscle twitched without my control and fucked my back up really bad. I signed up for suboxone treatment thinking it could give me some relief (I take 8mg 2 times a day) and it doesn't touch the pain the literally leaves me useless. I feel like my sons childhood isn't what it can be... I feel like I am cheating him and my husband out of having a healthy and happy life. I've thought about switching to methadone... I've called the clinic and they pretty much told me I have to go every single day for about a month or two and the first day I'll be given 5 mg and be increased 5mg at a time until my "correct" dosage is reached.. I've heard horror stories about methadone though... I've had multiple car accidents after the C section that have further damaged my spine... I am at a loss.. what does anyone suggest I do? I ask you guys here, because y'all know how difficult it is to get legitimate pain medication in a country that is possessed with what some people call "Opioid Hysteria". I've joins "Don't Punish Pain" Rally's along with other chronic pain advocate groups and social medias and a'lot of folks are experiencing what I am and far worse... (one woman experienced 3rd degree burns, her skin was legitimately falling off and the ER gave her asprin)
Please only do the methadone route as a last resort. It will not help you get your life back.

If its really that bad as others suggested, finding a way to access pods or even poppy seed tea (still bad idea) is better than methadone. You'll be a slave to the most powerful opiate that won't in time even help the pain very much. I'm sorry you're in this situation.. if you can afford to do so even in the far future I would just go doctor to doctor until one finally does what's needed. Its ridiculous that people in actual pain cannot get these pain relief necessities when people like me who rarely ever use it for pain--and recreationally only are probably able to find a way lol
 
If you're on 16mg a day then no opiates are going to get through that. Also I'm not trying to be a dick as I also have chronic pain, but your not at a level 10 of pain. 10 is the worst imaginable pain you can experience and when you tell a doctor your pain is 10 they have a tendency to not believe you.

Yeah, they don't believe ya when you say much past a 7 as depending what is wrong with you they already know how much pain a person should be in. Granted some have a high tolerance for pain and others have a low but they know how the body responds to injury so they pretty much know how much pain you are in. Someone passing a kidney stone is worse off than the guy with a broken wrist.

Good point and not trying to be a dick. Subuxone is unfortunately a hit or miss with people. Was a complete miss with me even at the max doses of 32 mgs a day, I just could not feel 100% but I definitely was never at a 10 or an 8?
Hey! I'm sorry I didn't clarify my pain scale in my last response. I usually wake up 3-5 some days less than 3. The reason for this, however, is little cause for celebration. I wasn't in pain because for the last 8 hour my body was laying still and doing nothing, but breathe and rest my muscles.

Clearly, laying in bed and remaining non active is incompatible, unhealthy, and would quickly destroy my sons childhood, my marriage and my employment.

Every morning I wake up, and I try to realistically cram as many physically taxing "to-do's" on my daily list , without over doing it in fear of activating the very pain I plan my entire life around.

Around 12:30pm to 1pm that's the time I know how much pain I'll be for the rest of the day. This is the time I take 1 or two subs depending on how extreme it is. Usually at this time 7-8 is a guarantee. However, her medical emergency. which you'll soon read, details specifically that my pain had surpassed 10.

If I even THOUGHT about standing up straight, this jolt of pain was experienced. Pain beyond 10.

Usually the moans and groans and panic tend to give the actual 10's away.

This is when I switch lists and begin tackling the errands which I can virtually complete, including tasks from my job. (I work from home thankfully. I have been fired consecutively from three different cashier jobs, with different supermarkets). Why was I fired? Because standing for hours and hours was causing my sciatic nerve, and mid to upper back to go insane. I believe the constant weight shifting from right leg to left is what seals in my fate of how much agony I'll endure for the remainder of the day. I asked my managers If I could use a bar stool of some kind even just to lean on it, I showed them my doctors note to validify my request, even suggested they contact the Dr.

Well, they each pretty much told me that I'm what's wrong with "millennial's" nowadays. I'm lazy, don't want to endure hard work, entitled and was called a brat to my face by one.

By the time my son and I get to spend time together, I unfortunately can only "play" if I'm sitting or laying on my bed on one side. I feel like this pain has robbed him of so many precious adventures we could experience together...

There are days that I decide to "ignore" the pain just so I can go on one adventure with him. The joy and bliss he experiences is worth the amount of pain that floods back, which has now tripled due to the excessive strain I continued to push just to make my baby boy happy. I literally have gotten a long thick sewing needle and keep it in my pockets. I stab and butcher my thigh to make my brain focus on anything, but the pain.

Sadly, the last time I decided to do this with him was during a Dia De Los Muertos event which was so beautiful and magical in itself. This event was located in a giant park that has a walk path which sometimes went up hills and went down hills. As I finally found the exit and begin heading towards our car, my body jolted then stopped mid walk, every drop of back pain I had suppressed flooded my nervous system in that moment.

It was so painful I could no longer stand up with my back straight. The only non painful way for me to stand was to keep my head and upper body/torso hanging over my legs. Kinda like when your toe touching. A few minutes later, I had no choice, but to get on all fours or else I could feel myself feeling faint from the sharpness of the pain overcoming my back in its entirety. My pain had surpassed 10,

From that day on, which took place about a year and a half ago, simple physical activities which includes standing too long washing dishes, bending over while I clean, hiking on some forest floor, along with yoga practice have collectively and independently exceeded my daily pain score. It went from 7-8 to 7.5 to 10. I'm afraid I may have permanent nerve damage.


The guilt I feel for not being able to give my son what I wish so badly we could have it is heartbreaking... He is a literal part of me. He is my reminder to "be like little children. For theirs's is the kingdom of heaven."


PS: My relationship with my partner also has suffered greatly due to what I can't do. Ask if you have any questions...
 
Hi Princess, I hope you could fix this soon.
People has given you a lot of good advises as med alternatives, I will point in another direction.
Mate of mine had very bad back pain, apart of being in a bad shape, HIV, VHc and all. Because he had been a junkie or for whatever reason they didn't give him proper pain relief, only paracetamol and shit.
Mate just sue the national health system, he had no money for a good lawyer but he fucking won. Soon after the trial he was given morphine and proper care.
Don't know if that is realistic for you and for you scenario, don't know were you live and how things are over there, but still wanted to tell you how my mate improved his situation.
Good luck, Princess
 
Talk to YOUR family doc. You just had a C-section and need an effective opioid analgesic for sever pain you’re experiencing

Methadone clinics are generally for opioid “abusers” shooting Heroin, etc …..you have to go daily for an observed dose to make sure you’re not selling it or diverting to illicit market, then you get “take home” privileges after many clean urine samples

F@cked that noise….

I get an entire MONTHS script every 1st of month…..a sealed 100 tablet bottle of Methadone tablets (an opioid tolerant patient)

Go to CPM Centre for Pain Management/ PainClinics ….referral from your family doc if they don’t feel comfortable giving you opioids or sometimes they send you to a pain specialist anyway

Methadone a great potent, long lasting opioid, generally for long term therapeutic needs…..shorter acting opioids might be more suitable for a month or so. Oxycodone (Oxy-IR 5/10/20mg) tablets or Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) 2/4/8mg IR tablets

Speak to a pain specialist……you’re not an i.v. abuser who needs to be piss tested every week to get your pathetic weeks carry’s
 
poppy seed tea really works? Tianeptine? what's that?

It does work... but the side effects are severe. Insane itchiness, zero sex drive.. I mean ZERO. The thought of sexual activity on seed tea is unthinkable. Batches vary in potency so greatly that I don't recommend anyone pick it up. I personally hated the seed tea and how severe of a downer it was. On top of there being no sex drive whatsoever as a male. Its not for free whatsoever, and the withdrawal is horrible beyond words should dependency occur. Tapering off it is the only way or you'll want to off yourself unless you have suboxone lol. All of the replies in the thread were probably the best options sadly at this point in time.

I still recommend treating doctors like crap and if they don't comply, immediately dumping them for one that does. I suggest doctor shopping and maybe you can find some incredibly uncaring doctor who usually gives meds out like candy lol. Seed tea is not a good idea unless you have to. Step up from methadone though. I don't know what methadone withdrawal feels like but I trust junkies when they describe it to be something nobody can endure really.
 
I had an emergency C section to save me and my sons life, during which, the anesthesiologist put a shot in my spine and my back muscle twitched without my control and fucked my back up really bad. I signed up for suboxone treatment thinking it could give me some relief (I take 8mg 2 times a day) and it doesn't touch the pain the literally leaves me useless. I feel like my sons childhood isn't what it can be... I feel like I am cheating him and my husband out of having a healthy and happy life. I've thought about switching to methadone... I've called the clinic and they pretty much told me I have to go every single day for about a month or two and the first day I'll be given 5 mg and be increased 5mg at a time until my "correct" dosage is reached.. I've heard horror stories about methadone though... I've had multiple car accidents after the C section that have further damaged my spine... I am at a loss.. what does anyone suggest I do? I ask you guys here, because y'all know how difficult it is to get legitimate pain medication in a country that is possessed with what some people call "Opioid Hysteria". I've joins "Don't Punish Pain" Rally's along with other chronic pain advocate groups and social medias and a'lot of folks are experiencing what I am and far worse... (one woman experienced 3rd degree burns, her skin was legitimately falling off and the ER gave her asprin)
Try a legit pain specialist or find a really old white dr. cause usually older dr are OG's and will still right opiate scripts for people with legit pain. Now you will probably have to got to a few diff ones until you find a real one but once you do you can maybe get a script for years to come.
 
It does work... but the side effects are severe. Insane itchiness, zero sex drive.. I mean ZERO. The thought of sexual activity on seed tea is unthinkable. Batches vary in potency so greatly that I don't recommend anyone pick it up. I personally hated the seed tea and how severe of a downer it was. On top of there being no sex drive whatsoever as a male. Its not for free whatsoever, and the withdrawal is horrible beyond words should dependency occur. Tapering off it is the only way or you'll want to off yourself unless you have suboxone lol. All of the replies in the thread were probably the best options sadly at this point in time.

I still recommend treating doctors like crap and if they don't comply, immediately dumping them for one that does. I suggest doctor shopping and maybe you can find some incredibly uncaring doctor who usually gives meds out like candy lol. Seed tea is not a good idea unless you have to. Step up from methadone though. I don't know what methadone withdrawal feels like but I trust junkies when they describe it to be something nobody can endure really.
I endured it 240mg of methadone to NOTHING 5 days in county jail of sweating, twitching, Migraine and no sleep. The jail wouldnt even give me a ibubprofen.
Hi Princess, I hope you could fix this soon.
People has given you a lot of good advises as med alternatives, I will point in another direction.
Mate of mine had very bad back pain, apart of being in a bad shape, HIV, VHc and all. Because he had been a junkie or for whatever reason they didn't give him proper pain relief, only paracetamol and shit.
Mate just sue the national health system, he had no money for a good lawyer but he fucking won. Soon after the trial he was given morphine and proper care.
Don't know if that is realistic for you and for you scenario, don't know were you live and how things are over there, but still wanted to tell you how my mate improved his situation.
Good luck, Princess
how much $$$ was he rewarded?
 
Doctors didn't get fined as he wasn't rewarded.
Case wasn't labelled as malpractice but difference of pain management criteria. Mate didn't had permanent damage done to him, nor was his life shortened, he didn't ask for a compensation, just asked for a peritial on his condition that was favorable to him and pointed to strongest medication as the right tool to treat his pain Granted, he had no money for a good lawyer, otherwise it all could had different outcomes, I don't really know.

No amount of € would had made him happier than proper pain relief, tho.
I endured it 240mg of methadone to NOTHING 5 days in county jail of sweating, twitching, Migraine and no sleep. The jail wouldnt even give me a ibubprofen.
Wow man, that had to be brutal. Fuckers very easily could kill you. In fact, they tortured you. 240 mgs to 0 is just criminal and barbaric
 
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