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Oxiborcik

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Hey everyone,

I just now found out about this Tianeptine stuff and I'm intrigued by it. Unfortunately, the Erowid experiences are all kind of loopy and non-credible-seeming, and they've all included its use with other substances, which is too dangerous for a milquetoast like me, and everything else I can find is unhelpful "moral panic" stuff about "gas station heroin" or whatever the fuck.

So can anyone here tell me anything about Tianeptine? Ideal doses and whatnot. If I like it I would only use it maybe once a week (like say for casino visits on weekends as I live in Las Vegas and do kratom for this purpose). I am capable of such responsible use, not because of any moral strength on my part, but because I hate building tolerance. (This might sound harsh, but using enough to build tolerance is for people who probably shouldn't be using recreational drugs in the first place in my humblest of humblest opinions. This is the same reason I limit my kratom use (shots before blackjack sessions at casinos) to a maximum of once per week.).)

My favorite head shop gave me a bottle of 15 "Extra Strength Za Za Red" as a gift for always getting my kratom there but I'm a little wary about it as it doesn't list the Tianeptine content in its "proprietary blend," which has become a red flag for me over my 25 years of recreational drug use. How much Tianeptine is in one capsule of this stuff? The other ingredients are sakaee naa and kavakava, which are harmless to me.

Once again I appreciate the expertise of this forum, and its harm-minimization focus (I will always get high but I don't want to mess up my life with it, which is something I've actually done with alcohol abuse and don't drink at all now), and feel lucky to have found it.
 
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I would be very careful with those pills. I'm very surprised headshops are still selling tianeptine, I'd assumed the FDA nuked it by now like they did to phenibut. There is no telling how much is in there, which is potentially dangerous as you know.

As for tianeptine itself, I hated the stuff. I don't understand why people even like it, but we all have different body chemistry.

Tried it twice, bought pure powder:
12mg trial dose - not much effect other than a very noticeable irritability and resulting acute depression
120mg dose - even more irritability, vague but shitty opioid feeling worse than tramadol, it gave me some weird "nod" (nothing like a real opioid nod) in which I was having awful and scary CEVs, kept seeing someone trying to strangle me and it would jolt me awake. Made me feel very uncomfortable and too depressed to play video games or do anything fun.

I immediately tossed it in the trash and never thought about it again. I just didn't like it at all.

I love my kratom though, way better than tianeptine.

"gas station heroin" is a really bad nickname for it, the only people comparing it to a strong opioid are taking massive 300mg doses and who knows what that's doing to your brain, can't be good.

maybe someone else can chime in, but I found it to be a shitty drug all around
 
Tianeptine is a pretty garbage drug. The high is almost nonexistent and the stuff only lasts an hour or two. It also seems to be fairly addictive despite these effects. Back in my hay day I had strong self control but I would impulsively dose tianeptine for some reason.

I don't remember dosages, but imo it's not a drug that is worth it
 
I believe it's opioid activity was discovered by desperate Russian opioid-addicts. It was briefly popular when codeine was banned (so desomorphine (krokodil) could no longer be obtained). Russians seems o IV almost ANYTHING and this stuff killed many. It isn't very water-soluble so it blocked veins.

If you think tianepetine is bad,, consider that they also IV tropicamide. I can only imagine how BAD someone's life would have to be for them to take deliriants. I have seen 1 guy who experimented with scopolamine and we had to babysit him for 3 days.

There are a few REALLY unusual forms of drug abuse I have come across. A small group used to obtain clomethiazole (Heminevrin) capsules & IV them. Now, it requires the user to work fast.... because it dissolves plastic. They DID try to get a glass syringe (they are still used to inject paraldehyde).
 
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And I just want to emphasize you're really much better off not trying this drug, especially if you're just using kratom right now. They're night and day in terms of safety profiles and essence. I'm debating deleting my previous comment just because I don't want to encourage the use of this chemical at all.
 
Tianeptine (sodium, not other forms like phasphate) is far stronger than kratom, it's a full agonist opioid and in high doses it's very euphoric. I somewhat doubt that the Za Za brand has the sodium form though, having tried it numerous times. I had to take the whole bottle to get much of an effect (despite the gas station guy telling me to take no more than 1, EVER), though it should be noted that I have been an opiate addict on and off for 20 years and I have a stupid permatolerance to opioids.

back when I didn't have such a permatolerance, I used to find 250mg of tianeptine sodium very euphoric, but very addictive. It's very short lasting, perhaps even shorter than kratom. And much more addictive.

It's also worth noting that there were times even taking the whole bottle barely put a dent on my withdrawals. And another time that taking 4 of them made me feel great. I do not think you can trust that they are at all evenly dosed (if you're talking about the Za Za brand)

You're better off sticking with kratom.
 
I've never heard of this brand ("Za Za") before, and I don't think I've ever seen it in a head shop or anything like that...how common is it?
 
Burnt Offerings said:
I've never heard of this brand ("Za Za") before, and I don't think I've ever seen it in a head shop or anything like that...how common is it?
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I think it's primarily in the South. I've found it in one headshop in my home state, though I hear in Florida and Georgia and previously Alabama it's much more prevalent.
 
Xorkoth said:
Tianeptine (sodium, not other forms like phasphate) is far stronger than kratom, it's a full agonist opioid and in high doses it's very euphoric. I somewhat doubt that the Za Za brand has the sodium form though, having tried it numerous times. I had to take the whole bottle to get much of an effect (despite the gas station guy telling me to take no more than 1, EVER), though it should be noted that I have been an opiate addict on and off for 20 years and I have a stupid permatolerance to opioids.

back when I didn't have such a permatolerance, I used to find 250mg of tianeptine sodium very euphoric, but very addictive. It's very short lasting, perhaps even shorter than kratom. And much more addictive.
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I won’t say that tianeptine is stronger than Kratom. Iirc 7oh-mitragynine is 17x morphine, much more potent than tianeptine definitely. Tianeptine Acts shorter than Kratom, this is for sure. If I had to choose I couldn’t really say which one is better (so more addicting). A really good Kratom strain can be at least as good as tianeptine I’d say, you can even have a good nod on it.

Kratom has the advantage of being a bit more stimulating, some like that. And one difference of Kratom contrary to any opioid is that you can even archive an orgasm on it relatively easy, must be the a2 agonism.
But tianeptine is a real gem, too. I never had a problem with escalating opioid consume and couldn’t decide which of both is more addictive in its nature but tianeptine is really enjoyable. What I like most about it is it’s soft and not really mind crushing nature. The high is so filigree and fine, really something special. A pity that I just had 1 or 2 doses in my life.

For me without any tolerance around 140mg of tianeptine are Perfect, similar to about 5g of red Thai which was my best Kratom strain. Bot can be great recreational drugs but I’d say tianeptine is better for combinations because of kratoms dirty receptor binding profile.
 
I like tianeptine, but I always treated it as a novelty high for special occasions or something. It's too short acting and not potent enough to be cost effective for binges IMO.
 
The mayor downsides with tianeptine (sodium) are the short duration and according to reports a steep tolerance curve. I likened it but it just was so short acting. The sulfate salt should be better in this regard.

Weird that they can sell substances which are approved pharmaceuticals in headshops! I wish I had a headshop here selling anything worthy but no, just salvia and blue lotus.
 
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I likened it but it just was so short acting.
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makes it nice for combinations. apart from that you might get problems with it if you want to stay on it over the course of a day. repeated dosing, increase of tolerance...
better for something to use every other evening. why they had to exploid it as a antidepressant is beyond my understanding. but who gives a fuck about big pharma and their advocates?
 
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I won’t say that tianeptine is stronger than Kratom. Iirc 7oh-mitragynine is 17x morphine, much more potent than tianeptine definitely. Tianeptine Acts shorter than Kratom, this is for sure. If I had to choose I couldn’t really say which one is better (so more addicting). A really good Kratom strain can be at least as good as tianeptine I’d say, you can even have a good nod on it.
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While 7-hydroxymitragynine has higher affinity for the MOR than tianeptine, it does so with low efficacy. It activates the MOR with high affinity but rather low efficacy. Likewise, just because it has 17x the potency of morphine doesn't mean it is 17x "stronger" than morphine.

Tianeptine is a higher efficacy opioid than kratom, and accordingly a very high dose will produce effects that far more closely resemble the effects of a traditional full agonist opioid. I've never had any amount of kratom, even with large amounts of extracts, ever come close to the kind of effect you get with say a 1,000mg of tianeptine. The euphoria from a giant dose of tianeptine far exceeds anything kratom could ever produce.
 
this i do believe. although my body and mind couldnt stand such a dose ever. but all in a tianeptine>kratom, when it comes to solely pleasureability. thats for shure.

but a good kratom strain isnt that far away. blew my mind the last time, tilidine or tramadol are not really better, imo. if you can stick to a low tolerance.
 
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Yeah I wasn't able to get any effect off it. I kept taking higher and higher doses hoping to get a kratom or tramadol like high but it never happened... idk if the stuff I had was bunk or what, it came from a pretty reputable vendor.
 
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Pickledlemons said:
Yeah I wasn't able to get any effect of it. I kept taking higher and higher doses hoping to get a kratom or tramadol like high but it never happened... idk if the stuff I had was bunk or what, it came from a pretty reputable vendor.
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You weren't able to get any effect? At what doses?

I've noticed that the tianeptine that has been around past mid-2018 hasn't felt the same to me as the older stuff, especially compared to the tianeptine that was around in 2016-2017.

I don't know if they found a cheaper synthesis method to cope with the demand, or if I simply did something to my brain from overuse. Even with very long breaks, a dose of say 800mg of tianeptine sodium doesn't feel like it used to both in terms of strength and subjective effects. But overall there seems to be a shift in potency. Yet who knows.

Some of the best opioid induced sleep I've ever had was during the night following morning doses of large amount of tianeptine (like 1.5g in a single oral dose). However, if say 1 gram is taken at 8pm, it is difficult to sleep.

But again, unlike kratom, tianeptine sodium has gotten me high much like traditional full agonist opioids, with the full spectrum of effects, sharp euphoria, nodding, pinpointed pupils, but with some definite differences, like a noticeable lack of respiratory depression, less sedation, etc.

Yet everytime you get high on tianeptine you are essentially overdosing on a tricyclic antidepressant.
 
High doses of Tianeptine Sulfate did nothing for me, whatsoever.
People tell me "well it's because the sulfate is an extended release form".... So?
That's like saying extended release oxy can't give you a buzz or that methadone can't.
Regardless of extended release or not, I would think I would have felt some kind of "opioid-tinge", but I got nothing.
There was a slight mood altering affect, like an antidepressant almost & that was about it. Not enjoyable. |
Maybe the sodium form is much different, but being as I don't respond to kratom or any of these "legal opioids", I'm doubtful tianeptine could compare to traditional opioids.

This is just IMO of course. Everyone responds to things differently.
 
I've seen one or two RC vendors that still carry this, but it doesn't seem like a rabbit hole that I want to touch with a ten foot pole.
The fact that it is an opioid yet was intentionally misrepresented as a serotonergic antidepressant for many years is disgusting.
 
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The fact that it is an opioid yet was intentionally misrepresented as a serotonergic antidepressant for many years is disgusting.
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the usual psychopharmagologists gibberish, nothing more. not many in this field are inert to it.
 
arrall said:
I've seen one or two RC vendors that still carry this, but it doesn't seem like a rabbit hole that I want to touch with a ten foot pole.
The fact that it is an opioid yet was intentionally misrepresented as a serotonergic antidepressant for many years is disgusting.
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It wasn't so much misrepresented as it was misunderstood. Structurally relatives are serotonergic, though its close relative amineptine also behaves atypically for a drug in this class.

I don't think it's particularly habit forming at the standard 12.5mg tid regimen, barely tickles the opioid receptors. That said, opioid agonism is fundamental to its antidepressant effects. Perhaps even principally the mechanism behind these effects.
 
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