20 grams is insane to me. The first time I took kratom was 3 days into w/d from being on high dose suboxone(insufflated) for well over a year. I didn't have a scale around so I took to heaping spoon fulls, (15 grams?) Puked, and passed the fuck out. I would take 5gs of my go to bali over 2 30mg roxi ir's no question. Have you tried any other vendors by chance?
I went to to kratom from 5-6 baggies of smack man. So I expected a lot. I have been around to 16 different vendors , and none came close to my last vendors quality . I know because I test it on my wife . I am not good at testing kratom to see if its good due to tolerance . I do know my last batch was apparently good because my wife nods like hell on 6 Grams . I find it funny anyone would choose kratom over Oxycodone . lol 5gs can come close to 2 roxies . I have had some hell of good uei to before that came to be pretty good , but not as good as 2 roxies . This is one of those cases to where everyones different. I love my opiates I used heroin for years with up to 6 baggies a day . I have had methadone ,fentanyl , hydromorphone, hydrocodone, oxymorphone, oxycodone, morphine , codeine , many rc opiate a few analogs of fentanyl , mt-45, ah7921, w-15 and now tianeptine so I consider myself a pro with opiates , and if I go without for more then 8 hours I get so sick I have to go to the ER . In the last 17 years I have had no more then a 1 day break from any one opiate . So I think I would no what a opiate should feel like .
Kratom is on par with codeine I will admit that , but thats not good enough for me . tianeptine is on par with oral morphine , but not iv or snorted morphine I will admit that ,but If I take enough tianeptine I can always get to a place I want to be. This is not so true with kratom ;because I can only takes so many of the caps . I bought 1 kilo ever month for a while of kratom, and the quality was never consistent , and its not possible for it to be ;because every plant will have different levels of the alkaloids in it . This is almost the same for poppy pods , but at least the alkaloids in there are a good bit better then what kratom can offer . I know everyone if different ,and I do respect that, but I often wonder if some of the people that take kratom even remember what A real opiate feels like.
BTW I just want to put this out there I went through 4 baggies of Numb 4 heroin yesterday , and I can confirm that 450mg of tianeptine has completely took place of it with no problem . I will continue to use the 50 Grams I have of tianeptine for the rest of the month . I may get some more of that heroin again next month though . It was some very clean heroin the best I have had in 8 years . Was just as clean as tianeptine I have . I know some may say its not real heroin ;because there is no number 4 heroin in the USA anymore ,but lets just say I have seen the process of the black tar heroin being cleaned , and converted to number 4. Thats why it was so much for a gram . It was being cut with vitamin b2 , but not mine my buddy hooked me up .