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The Bikie Wars

Have you got a source for that, What would they charge you with? Surely you could only be charged with possession.
People getting arrested up her in QLD on drug charges that are found with an item that may link them to an OMG have to prove they are not part of that group or they get 15 to 20 years minimum I believe. Trouble is most Magistrates are scared they will cop retribution so they often dismiss the gang affiliation charges such as the above example lol. It's in the paper's/tv news up here every week.
 
whats the deal with the short duration of nom. time with the pebbles, uhh, I mean rebels? is it that they are that short of numbers? (clearly doesnt seem to be the case) or they just dont give a two shit, flying fuck to who joins their club? just goin of observations thats I've personally witnessed over the last 2/3 years...
 
I agree with your opinion 1K words but that guy you posted could pass for a common freak in So. Fl. but I would charge him with bad taste and a shitty haircut.
 
The bikies have bought this upon themselves. Up until now, most criminal organisations went about their business in a more candastine manner. It was called the underworld because their illegal activities took place away from prying eyes and did not affect the common man. Bad things went on but as long as joe blog was not involved the police turned a blind eye. Lately these gangs have used the communal streets as their own, fighting, shooting and causing mayhem, not just between themselves but often involving innocent bystanders. I have even seen them arrogantly declare that they own the streets, not the government. I'm afraid you are wrong. We own the street, and we have tolerated your presence only because we generally couldn't give two shits about your childish mentality. Once you start brawling around our kids and start shooting regular people on the streets, we will unleash the forces that we actually voted for to serve and protect us to round you up and drive you out of town. It's too late to cry about being discriminated against. If you were smart you would have kept quiet and stayed anonymous.

So you voted for that Bjelke-Peterson wannabe?

Nice use of paragraphs, btw ;)
 
Why do people use winkies on message boards? you ever winked at a biker or another male - like male to male. I know off topic - just curious?
Well, i dont want to stray too far off topic, but YES! I wink at other guys (in "real life";whatever that is) to rile them up. Blow them a little kiss too, if I'm in a particularly shit-stirring mood.

I did it to some fellow yesterday, actually. He was leaning out of a car making drunken comments to people they passed by.

Just kind of aggressive/boozed up wanker sorts.
They look so funny when they get mad; like a monkey in a zoo.

I would not do it at a bikie. I don't have a death wish.

Then again, I don't make a habit of hanging out with bikies, so it's not something that would really happen. No bikie is going to pay any attention to someone like myself (I got nothing to do with their business, and I don't get involved in that alpha male blokey shit...which is maybe why I find winking at yobs I don't know so amusing?)

In this instance - on the internet - it's because the guy I'm quoting is (oft-classified as) some kind of troll. In another thread I wrote him lengthy and rather critical reply (with properly composed paragraphs, I might add) and his response included this;
at least do me the common curtesy to avoid the wall of text I so often have to skim over and ignore.
...so I was calling him out on being a hypocrite and all.

With a "nudge and a wink" and a little metaphorical "kissy-kiss face" - so kind of "get it, mate?" and "up yours, pal" at the same time.
Especially with the fantastic Freudian Slip;
How could I resist a little winky-wink??? <3

I don't care if people agree with conservative political crap - and I certainly don't give a shit about who some guy on the Internet voted for; but I still like giving people shit when they admit to voting for twits like Newman. I reckon it's pretty funny.

But it is always nice when people put forward decent arguments, rather than sentiments of "I have nothing to worry about, so I support this draconian legislation". We don't get that 'courtesy' too often with OTbW.
If it's to get a reaction, it usually works, but only because that sort of crap doesn't really wash in AusDD.
 
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I'm sick as a dog an been rolling around in my puke and shit and whatnot for three days... but I logged in just to say that was a hilarious post, SpaceJunk.

You're the boss<3
 
Take a breath space junkie. Two walls of text in two separate threads and I still couldn't be arsed reading any of it.

I have two motorcyclists at work, one is 60 and rides a tourer, the other is 45 yr old chick who rides a Harley. Both are up in arms at the new laws. I asked if either of them have been pulled over and the answer was no. Why? It is because the police are smart enough not to waste their time. This is nothing more than profiling. If you are a weekend Hog rider with a Pink Pussycat jacket you will not even attract attention.

If you want to wear a leather vest and ride around playing pretend biker then in effect you are glamourizing and legitimizing their lifestyle. I see within a year most bikers being driven underground as society reclaims their streets. They will become sick of being discriminated by the majority and realise that the criminal underground works better when it is actually under ground.
 
Thanks Halif; it's nice to know that other people understand what a sad little man this alt troll above me is.
I hope you're ok dude - you got my number if you feel like talking; please don't hesitate to do so if you want some support or just to chat. I hope you know I'm here for you like you were for me when I detoxed.
You're a fucking champ Halif, I hope you're feeling well again soon buddy.

Busty, you're too much of an intellectual lightweight to even engage with any of the threads you post in; you have to resort to calling people "junkie" to get your point across.

Don't try to patronise me; I wasn't even talking to you - I was talking about you. Nice work on the "I don't read your posts" tactic - again. Real smooth.

There's such a thing as clever trolling, but you don't come close.

You talk so tough about "bikies", but you wouldn't have the guts to spout such nonsense to their faces; you don't even have it in you to address my points. Your personal feelings of inadequacy really shine through sometimes - it's evident in your judgemental put-downs. I'd feel sorry for you, but I have more important things to care about.

Now, if you don't mind I think we should quit derailing the thread. I've said all that needs to be said about your rampant nincompoopery.
 
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^ not to defend the off-topic shit, but there is 30 pages to the thread.
My apologies for contributing to more bullshit than was already there.
But if you want good content, maybe go find some to add?
This is a flow-on from the bikie legislation; straight out of Queensland's 'bad old days', and mentions the insanity of the QLD 'bikie laws'
(and written by Chris Berg, a guy from the IPA - a neo-con thinktank, so he's no left wing activist...quite the opposite).

(ABC News) http://www.abc.net.au/news/thedrum/chris-berg/28138?pfm=ms
Queensland party crackdown out of control

For all the absurdities of Queensland's anti-bikies legislation, its bill cracking down on parties is probably worse, writes Chris Berg.

Every government has a reform program of some description. The reform program of Campbell Newman's Queensland government is to expand, to a ludicrous and dangerous extent, the powers of the police.

Admittedly, the title of the Police Powers and Responsibilities and Other Legislation Amendment Bill doesn't have the same sort of grunting aggression as the Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Bill, which was passed earlier this year to target bikies.

But for all the absurdities of the anti-bikies legislation, the bill currently being considered by the Queensland parliament is probably worse.

The bogey-man in this bill is "out-of-control" parties. No doubt you can conjure up such a threat to public order in your mind. Hundreds of drunk teenagers spilling out on the street and damaging nearby property.

But according to the draft bill, a party is a gathering of twelve or more people. And it is considered out-of-control if three people at that party do something like be drunk in a public place, cause excessive noise, unreasonably block the path of a pedestrian, litter in a way that might cause harm to the environment, or use "indecent" language.

The punishment for holding a party that gets out-of-control? A $12,000 fine or a year's jail. In other words, a party host is punished for the actions of party guests. For good measure, the bill allows police to enter property uninvited without a warrant.

Out of control parties are a classic moral panic. They involve teenagers. They involve alcohol. They involve new technologies - house parties are now being organised on social media. This apparently makes them worse than they used to be.

Of course before Twitter and Facebook there was the text message. People panicked about text message parties too. And before text messages? Well, teenagers clearly found some way to organise wild parties that ended in arrests.

Modern police forces have existed since the nineteenth century. For two centuries parliaments have been loading the criminal statutes up with new offenses. According to the government, "the ever increasing size, frequency and societal impact of these out-of-control events in recent times has necessitated the development of specific legislation". Yet everything that makes an out-of-control party out-of-control is illegal already.

It is already illegal to be drunk and disorderly. It is already illegal to riot. It is already illegal to harass pedestrians, use indecent language, breach the peace, be a public nuisance, threaten another person, throw a bottle, damage property, assemble unlawfully, supply minors with alcohol, fight, show your private parts in public, be a hoon, light fireworks, endanger the safety of another individual, litter, trespass, and be excessively noisy.

A recurring feature so many legislative proposals in our modern era is that they mirror existing offenses. At best, this makes them redundant. At worst - as in this anti-party bill - they offer prosecutors and law enforcement officers a menu to pick and choose whatever charge will meet with the greatest punishment.

In other words, they vest police officers and prosecutors with enormous discretion to act, arrest, and charge however they like. It has to. There's no way the Queensland police could enforce the law, as written, on any of the innumerable parties that occur every weekend across the state. Three people swearing at a party of more than a dozen guests that annoys the neighbours? Hard to imagine a party that wouldn't fit this criteria.

A basic tenet of liberal democracy is that politicians - the representatives of the people - write the laws to shape the society they want. The permanent, administrative arm of government merely enforces those laws, neutrally and consistently.

That's the ideal, anyway. But not all statutes are enforced equally. The police, and their prosecutors, have an enormous amount of discretion about what laws they chose to focus on. (Hence the periodic "crackdowns" on jay-walking or speeding. If all laws were enforced at all times, there would be no need for crackdowns.)

No matter how many rules we impose on police work, discretion is inevitable. Inevitable but not desirable. A liberal democracy is a government of laws, not a government of men, as James Adams said. As far as possible, we don't want to trust justice and our liberty to the judgment of fickle individuals.

Police officers are no better or worse than the rest of us. There are bad eggs in law enforcement, as there are in the general public. And good eggs can sometimes have bad days. Queensland's anti-party legislation empowers good eggs and bad eggs alike.

As does the anti-bikies legislation, which is so over-blown that it borders on surrealism. Such laws invite the sort of miscarriages of justice that a liberal democratic legal system should strive to avoid Australians who don't live in Queensland should be paying attention too.

One feature of Australian federalism is that states learn from each other. A law in one state is apt to be copied by another state. We saw anti-bikies laws replicated across the country earlier this decade. No question that all state governments will consider imposing Queensland-style laws themselves.

Defending his out-of-control parties bill, the Queensland Police Minister has argued that "the majority of people who do the right thing have nothing to fear". Well, that's not the way the bill is written. Not if the letter of the law is enforced. No free society should rest their liberties on the discretion of the agents of the state.
 
A couple days ago there was another shooting of a bikie. The victim was a patched member of the Red Devils, a close affiliate of the Hells Angels. http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/young-red-devil-bikie-gang-member-gunned-down-driv/2086946/

I have read many comments on other forums with regards to bikies. I have seen many press interviews of top police captains speaking loudly about how they are going to stop the bikies, but everyone is somehow ignoring the god-damn ELEPHANT in the room...if you TRULY want to get rid of criminal motorcycle gangs for REAL; LEGALISE DRUGS. It will take all their power and $$ away and there will be nothing left. They will disintegrate, and what is left will simply morph into innocent clubs that are actually about motorcycles.

Why isn't this on the agenda of any topic about these criminal gangs. It is the only obvious answer that will get results overnight. Take away their income and power by simply removing the multi-billion dollar industry that the government, with the help of police, have personally cornered for them...rofl; LEGALISATION IS THE ONLY TRUE ANSWER, not regulation after bullshit regulations.
 
Or you could take a stand and refuse to but your drugs from Bikers. Plenty of other criminal groups are involve in drug trafficking, use your consumer clout.
 
let's be honest at least in my demographic we usually get drugs a lot longer along the chain than from bikies. I have (and none of my friends) no idea which gang produces the drugs I buy.
 
I don't think their strangle hold on the drug market is as big as you think. Put it this way, the drug market in Australia is estimated to be in the billions. Some people have put it as high as $6billion. If the OMC held even 50% of this trade I would expect their head quarters would not be a shitty as they are currently. I'm not saying they would suddenly go out and purchase a high rise block at bondi or anything but there would be a lot more cash recovered in the raids that police under take. Very few bikie related raids involve cash greater than half a million it seems. My guess is the real king pins would distance themselves from this sort of heat too.
 
^ massive oversimplification.
Money laundering, investment in legit businesses - all the traditional methods used by organised crime to squirrel resources away from the authorities are employed, I don't doubt. Probably other, newer methods too.
Just because a group has a certain visibility - public profile and therefore media attention - doesn't mean they're completely lacking in intelligence.
I think the idea that bikies aren't associated or in collaboration with "the real king pins" is a very black-and-white way of looking at it.
Having said that, I don't think anyone posting on this board would truly know the inner workings of this business; if they are, they're doing the smart thing and not divulging information needlessly. That would be dumb.
I'm certainly not claiming to know much - as a lot of what I know has been in the mass media; a remarkably dubious source of information on all kinds of matters.

Seems safe to say that outlaw groups that can afford to have their own underground doctors (and various other sideline specialists) would have accountants, lawyers and financial advisors helping them launder and safely hide their illegally obtained money/property etc.
This, to me, would indicate a certain amount of wealth, influence and (crucially) street-smarts.
I think the image, profile and tactics of OMCs is more calculated than some people realise. This is not to say I agree with them or support them. But they're no less ethical than certain shady government bodies IMHO.
They have their own codes of conduct which they follow and enforce, much like - say - ASIO or the NSA.
 
SpaceJunk, I know that my idea is an oversimplification, but it is the most effective. This issue of gangs and OMCs does stem much more deeply than selling drugs, but it is without a doubt their primary source of income. You can say, however, that if drugs are legalized, they can turn to other illegal means. Many people that I have had a debate with come up with answers like "selling weapons, sex, debt collection etc". The last time I checked, not many people are after buying an illegal firearm or paying for sex in a shady fashion, but many are after drugs.

If they are cut off from this massive illegal market of drugs, what money will they have to launder? The legit businesses they are involved in will not need to be a front for their drugs income as there will be none. Trust me on this, making drugs legal will basically ruin the foundation of many criminal gangs...they will only survive if they are actually in a group for the motorcycles, or for the "family" etc. If this is the case, then let them be. But they will certainly not be as powerful and obnoxious as they are now. It will also weed out the opportunists and true criminals who were in it for the money and power.
 
Loans sharking and protection money is arguably much more profitable than drugs. There are local hotels where they will congregate, create a massive fight, then return the next day to demand money from the hotelier or they will continue to cause trouble and drive business away. It's difficult to police stuff like this and even less chance of jail time than drug trafficking.
 
Loans sharking and protection money is arguably much more profitable than drugs. There are local hotels where they will congregate, create a massive fight, then return the next day to demand money from the hotelier or they will continue to cause trouble and drive business away. It's difficult to police stuff like this and even less chance of jail time than drug trafficking.

Loans Sharking? Which law abiding citizen is going to go to a bikie or gang fortress to get a loan for a mortgage, when there is the Commonwealth Bank (and friends) on every street corner in Australia? The majority of people who are going to get loans from criminals are ones who are involved or associated with such. What do you think the loan is for? To buy a large amount of drugs at wholesale, sell, make profit, rinse and repeat.

I highly doubt protection money is a multi-billion dollar industry. So you are saying if drugs are legalized and the black market is lifted, gangs will continue to make their money through protection money and generate a similar income? lol It is not more profitable than selling drugs. The commodity of drugs is the single biggest market in the world, followed by FOOD.

Why people can not accept that such a simple solution can in fact severely damage criminal enterprises on a $$ level is beyond me. Sure, they may be very angry at the start and cause trouble to prove a point, but give it half a decade of legalization, they will be a dwarf of a problem compared to what they are now.

I refer the non-believers to the decade of prohibition in America (1920s), and the problems it caused. Who did it give power to? Did it create a new market for criminals? What was the homicide rate before Prohibition? What was it during? What WAS IT AFTER it was ended? END RANT.
 
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Loans Sharking? Which law abiding citizen is going to go to a bikie or gang fortress to get a loan for a mortgage, when there is the Commonwealth Bank (and friends) on every street corner in Australia? The majority of people who are going to get loans from criminals are ones who are involved or associated with such. What do you think the loan is for? To buy a large amount of drugs at wholesale, sell, make profit, rinse and repeat.

I highly doubt protection money is a multi-billion dollar industry. So you are saying if drugs are legalized and the black market is lifted, gangs will continue to make their money through protection money and generate a similar income? lol It is not more profitable than selling drugs. The commodity of drugs is the single biggest market in the world, followed by FOOD.

Why people can not accept that such a simple solution can in fact severely damage criminal enterprises on a $$ level is beyond me. Sure, they may be very angry at the start and cause trouble to prove a point, but give it half a decade of legalization, they will be a dwarf of a problem compared to what they are now.

I refer the non-believers to the decade of prohibition in America (1920s), and the problems it caused. Who did it give power to? Did it create a new market for criminals? What was the homicide rate before Prohibition? What was it during? What WAS IT AFTER it was ended? END RANT.

What do you think made the Mob tick over before and during the Prohibition? Protection money was their life blood well before running booze. Drugs were also frowned upon until at least the 50's/60's. Ditto for the Triads and Yakuza.

What makes you think Australian bikers are any different? Not everyone qualifies for a bank loan, if your business is failing the banks simply don't want to throw money at you. This is where loan sharks come in handy, at 40% interest they make a tidy profit that is almost legal and with no need to launder.
 
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