TL;DR: This probably is ketamine/MXE's big brother, but needs a lot more preparation
[No scales I know, sorry. This isn't to say I don't have extensive experience weighing things, but I know that's not an excuse. This is a case of
do as I say, not as I do. I am
extremely experienced with MXE, and ketamine/dxm to a lesser extent. So I felt confident eyeballing these quantities. I wouldn't suggest anyone copy me]
Tolerance: Dissociatives: Less than 1.5g total of everything in the past year. Benzos/related: none in past year
The dosage is so high because I'm a very busy individual with no time to be experimenting with stuff like this these days, at heart I'm a K-head who loves the hole and I was aiming for one of these ++++ experiences that I've been hearing about.
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Earlier that day, allergy test: approximately 2-10mg. Tastes lovely.
T:00:00 - 3/5s of an amount which is purported to be 0.5g consumed orally.
T:00:30 - Feels like I'm coming up on high dose MXE, vision getting a bit 'fuzzy' and slight ringing in the ears.
T:01:00 - I remember feelings very stimulated, not in a traditional sense, but more empowered. Like I had supernatural strength or could do anything.
T:02:15 - This period is blurry but largely uneventful, a lot of confusion. I'm fairly certain I spent at least 30-60 minutes trying to type in my laptop password. I had enormous difficulty recalling the password in my mind phonetically, deciphering the spelling, and subsequently finding those keys on the keyboard. After a while I could recall my password, but was completely unable to formulate its spelling. I could only hold the first three characters in mind.
I have no concept of time, and the thought that I may have been sitting here in the dark, for days on end, feverishly trying to recall my own fucking password, panics me somewhat. But I persevere.
Fortunately, being well-versed in mindfucks like this on MXE, it wasn't
that bad. Suddenly I had clarity, and I was able to log in. I was surprisingly sober for this period, actually I felt I must be coming down - I'm too used to the short duration of MXE.
Now I have accessed the computer I whittle off a few messages to a friend in the know, informing him of the very smooth nature of the experience. It is interesting to note that during this time I was able to communicate normally, with normal thought and proper recall of events. IME the mania on MXE can often feel quite jarring, like you are being jolted from one thought to the next. Ephenidine definitely lived up to its 'creamy' description as someone else described.
T:02:20 - I consume the rest of the bag, for a suspected dose of 0.5g.
T:02:40 - Okay, things got a little fucked the first dosage, hopefully I'll have a better swing at this with the second dose (guessing approx 200mg), consumed orally. At this time I'm still online an I inform my friend,
"its bizarre, not unpleasant by any means, im not that dissociated tho".
At this point I go offline and lay down with headphones for a while. For at least 10 minutes the CEVs are utterly uninspiring, I'm staring at the static image of the corner of a room. I shit you not, it is a CEV alright, but it is not changing or moving in any way. There were some occasions later on where I would be stuck looking at the same CEV for periods of time, barely changing. It can be annoying.
Anyway as the second dose kicks in things seem to liven up a bit. Over the next hour or so I'm moving through these vast spaces of complex architecture. Similar to MXE CEVs in nature in the sense that they share that green-ish hue in color but these seem to be more grand. As in, bigger. Almost as if to say the ephenidine space dwarfs that of MXE or K. I can see why users say this chemical takes them deeper. Although I didn't get very deep myself - I believe the potential is there.
I would say there was less movement for me as the viewer during the CEV experience, which is to say, I did less 'flying' than I would do on K/MXE. I seemed much more static and whereas I would move around these environments to a degree, it wasn't to the extent as I would on the latter compounds.
Extreme time dilation, I'm listening to an album and about 40 minutes into it I feel I've been listening to 3 or 4. Eventually I turn it off. I had a lot of great new music lined up for this trip which I didn't get to explore due to the mindfuckery of it all.
T:06:00 - [Guessing] Anyway after that first album I've had enough and I turn off the music. This usually wouldn't be the case but since in my mind this whole experience has been going on FOREVER I'm really just sick of it.
Now the mania kicks into high gear. If you've ever dosed too high on MXE and got lost in the confusion you know what I'm talking about, except this time it's endless. Mental stimulation is off the charts with colourfull CEVs whizzing around at 100 miles an hour. Thoughts racing faster than ever and I seem to be stuck in this loop of confusion that never ends, just constantly cycling. It's exhausting. The best thing I could have done is put the headphones back on as I was probably peaking at this point but I was just so fatigued from it all.
Again, time seemed to be moving
extremely slowly, over the course of this experience I had no concept of how many hours or days I had been in there. The logic to deduce by means of looking at say, a phone had left me, lol.
I can't iterate that enough, even though I'm only 6 hours deep in this (which I'd prepared for, including sleeping earlier that day) it feels like the whole thing has been going on for a LOT longer. At this point it's become quite unpleasant and I just want it to stop, but it seems to be on a very even plateau with no signs of slowing.
During this unpleasantness, I must say that I did have opportunities to reflect on my life, and where I'm going, and possible avenues and things I want to explore in the future. To me, MXE's ability to do this helped me greatly with my personal development and I feel ephenidine shares this quality, to a greater extent. The CEVs and thought processes on ephenidine were quite similar to MXE to me, but seemed greater in scope, like I was being shown an even bigger picture.
T:07:30 - I've absolutely had enough and it takes 2mg clonazolam to put me to sleep. I consumed about 5 litres of water during the experience.
Aftermath: I sleep off the whole of the next day (with 2 meals) on more clonazolam and wake up at 4am on Day 3 when my last dose of clonazolam wears off I guess. I'm woken with mildCEVs akin to no.3 on this scale (
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry) and some mild stimulation. Unable to sleep after that.
T:36:30 - Writing this now, still a little whoozy with
mild ataxia, and things seem to have trails coming off them when I'm moving around. Kind of like a night after high dose MXE but more pronounced.
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Admittedly I have no experience with the longer lasting dissos (PCP, MXP, diphen etc) so I was a little naive jumping in balls deep with this one, but meh. At these doses, this one is definitely a multiple day affair. Do not assume as I did that it's like an 8 hour thing and then you 'kind of feel a bit funny the next day but it's bearable'. No, you are still fucked the next day. The hangover is on day 3. I would report more about what day 2 was like but I was pretty much passed out the whole day and don't remember what the effects were like. I imagine they were similar and I did not want to deal with them.
I would not jump into this unless you have a handful of benzos to kill it when you want to, because sooner or later you probably will. Total clonazolam consumed: 5mg with no tolerance and I could have done with more. FYI the clonazolam worked well. Same vendor.
With the proper preparation, set and setting this could be an incredible tool for exploration. The plateau that it offers when fully firing is very long, and would serve those who find the K/MXE peaks too fleeting (like me). Coupled with low dose psychedelics and perhaps weed to kick the visuals up a notch, I can see this being even better. The CEVs are incredibly complex as they are, but a little monotone.
If you fuck up the set/setting however, this isn't something you can just endure for a couple hours and come down from. It's kind of like going on a 3 day hike.