RoboMonster
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Nobody should be on 12 to 24 mg sub sub you text a day. That is insane.
Suboxone and subutex contain Buprenorphine, a partial opioid agonist that WILL block the effects of traditional opiates, AND cause precipitated withdrawl. There is a common myth that subutex won't cause blockage because it does not contain naloxone, truth of the matter is, naloxone is only added in Suboxone as a deterrent so addicts think twice about IVing, it is inactive sublingually ANYWAY, so whether you take subutex or suboxone, your still not going to feel the effects of opiates if you try to get high later that day, DEPENDING on how much suboxone or subutex you previously took that day. Usually when you take 8mg in a day, you will get almost complete blockage of opiates if attempted to get high, usually 85% of your opiate receptors are saturated, so expect huge disappointment.
Taking doses of 2-4mg of sub that. Day, gives you wiggle room to still feel effects of other opiates. Regardless if you take 1mg of suboxone, you will get COMPLETE BLOCKAGE from other opiates if you try to get high 1-4hrs after. You need to wait a good 6-8hrs to even feel other opiates if you don't exceed 4mg suboxone that day.
And YES, you STILL will go through precipitated withdrawal if you get high, and take a SUBUTEX after. Buprenorphine is what causes PWD. Naloxone is a deterrent in suboxone so addicts wont IV it, and even that is a whole other complicated subject i do not want to get into, basically, one can shoot suboxone and not go thru precip. WD, as bupe has a higher affinity than naloxone...subutex Suboxone. Tomato tamato
My way of reasoning in case of precipitated withdrawal would be to take more buprenorphine and not take heroin or whatever opioid you've been taking (the main and real risk is overdosing because depending on how much buprenorphine you took, the amount of heroin that will give you an effect will drastically differ, e.g. it is certainly much easier to break through 1-2mg than through 8mg or more, the extent of blockade provided by higher doses is much bigger than one might guess judging by the perceivable difference in partial agonistic effects from 1-2mg vs. 8 mg! if you try to break through with heroin by taking more and more, and more, at some point you suddenly do break through and at the same time overdose), but that's also not a universal solution, depending on the size of your habit, i.e. how much you take per dose, more buprenorphine might at some point either start producing real opioid effects or force more full agonist out of receptors and not cover for the withdrawal even at the ceiling dose.
Is there anyone who actually decided to take more buprenorphine instead of trying to break through with heroin? If 1mg of buprenorphine is enough to produce precipitated withdrawal, then there should be a dose before the ceiling dose that should start easing the pain instead of giving you more of it.
Do not take this as advice though, it is impossible to judge whether more buprenorphine would help you or not. To be on the safest side would be to simply wait long enough.
Where does the line goes between taking benzos and bupe together or and when not. Is it when the initial, noticeable effects are gone or is it when benzos are out of my system?
I'm on my last day of alcohol detox and was only given few benzos home. Supposed to take one chlordiazepoxide (25 mg) now (haven't) and one in the evening, but I know there's no need since I'm already past the point any delirium symptoms could occur. I've been given them gradually less and yesterday it was already down to three. I was also given temazepam for sleep, and took 40 mg about 11 hours last time. Chlordiazepoxide apparently converts into some metabolite, which can linger insanely long, but can that metabolite also cause problems with bupe?
Last days of alcohol detox really sucks. Not feeling physically shitty at all and psychotic symptons are gone, but addiction starts to take over again. Wanna use something again, but not sure whether it's safe to use bupe today (later, not now) or must I wait a day or two (or more) before using?
Does anyone have an answer for this? Im going through the exact thing right now...
Sorry for dumb question does anyone ever inject sub film can it be safely done?
Noooooo. If you are opiate dependent it will throw you into straight withdrawl. Like vomiting, shaking, crying withdrawl. I got it about .5cc and fell out. Dont even try it. Its not worth it at all.