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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Sub Doctor Question- is this normal?

Word... I'm tryin to really not use for now so I'm gonna stick to the plan. Also I noticed these 4Mg strips are double the size of the 8s I had always gotten. Maybe that's just the new status quo for all subs? It's a square equal to two of the normal rectangular strips.
 
That's weird, never heard of those. You'll be stoked they put such little bupe in so much strip real estate once you're tapering down to <1mg doses, though.
 
Yeah, Phil..agree, those 3mg strips are AWESome for tapering. Allows you to really slice up your dose (ha!).

Good luck with being on sub. Ive been on and off it for about 4 years. It serves its purpose and can save your life. (Obviously this is subjective. Everybody is different)
 
I pretty much consider myself to be "off of subs" because I originally used them to rapidly taper down and detox off H, after which I discontinued the bupe for a while, but when PAWS depression set in (I have clinical depression in my natural state) I took up microdosing bupe at +/- <25mg/day.

I've discontinued it for a week to test what the w/d syndrome will be off this dose and the week wasn't bad. I expect to titrate down to 125ug/day soon, until I eventually reach 50ug/day (using an liquid solution of 50ug/ml.

Right now I still crush and snort because I have the big subutexes which also make low dose administration feasible.
 
Yeah, Phil..agree, those 3mg strips are AWESome for tapering. Allows you to really slice up your dose (ha!).

Good luck with being on sub. Ive been on and off it for about 4 years. It serves its purpose and can save your life. (Obviously this is subjective. Everybody is different)

Thanks. It's been almost a week and I feel ok but I still crave dope. Really not sure how I'm gonna get past this mental anguish
 
Hey! Sorry I'm so late to the game but I wanted to check in and see how you're doing. I have been in your shoes (was doing a lot of H before starting Subs) and I cannot imagine going through what that doctor put you through at the beginning! I really hope they didn't make you pay full price for each visit to the office. I'm impressed you stuck with it and very glad you did, I don't know if I could have done that, especially when it was such a massive step to get there to begin with. I probably would said "screw it" and walked out. I have never EVER heard of someone not receiving an RX for at least a few days' worth of subs, I'd understand if the doc wanted you back in after 5-7 days (even though I don't even like that - many of these docs are all about the $$ and seem to want to squeeze out every last penny from their sub patients, who are very fragile and vulnerable when they go in for their first visit and often scared sh*tless, and don't know what they should expect and what is standard after that initial visit.)

How are you doing on your subs? Like several commenters, I believe the higher doses (16 mg +) are overkill in most cases . I don't know why anyone would need 32mgs per day, I don't care how much H they had been IVing. Your dose seems low but if it's working, great! Have you had any issues? If you've slipped up please don't get down on yourself. Hopefully you're doing well but remember this is a process and can sometimes take 2,3,4,5 times for you to be ready. I wasn't 100% on board after my first stretch with subs.

I'm surprised they wouldn't give you anything for anxiety or sleep- my sub doctor offers to write me a script for klonopin almost every month when I see him and also has offered clondine (sp?) but I've never taken him up on the offers because I get xanax that I occasionally use for sleep. Don't get me wrong, I would TOTALLY take him up on the klonopin if I didn't have xannies. But I think it's common for patients to receive SOMETHING for the stress at the beginning of their sub journey. I'm not trying to make you upset with your doctor, but it does seem a bit odd. I've had 3 different sub doctors over the past couple years and I've never encountered any of that kind of resistance whatsoever.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, I know it can be tough. Stay strong and keep BUSY - I swear keeping busy and not having too much down time is key because being in your head can be a dangerous place. I'm a firm believer in keeping yourself too busy to think about whatever your temptations are.

Good luck!
 
The mental anguish is the worst. But you'll be out from under that cloud VERY soon (this week, maybe).

Once the buprenorphine really settles in you'll be fine. The acute phase kicked your ass because it was rough and stressful.

It will pass. Keep busy like Prop said and maintain your taper plan and all be well soon.
 
You've been doing dope a long time-you have to change your "addict thinK'-the habit of taking dope. No pill, injection etc can substitute for doing the work on yourself. You have to change your behavior patterns.
 
I find gabapentin or good bud really helps with hot flashes / sweating. This should only go on for a week or so, but everyone is different. I heard clonidine is good for this too, but I've never tried it.

As for the appointments, I've heard of places (through friends/acquaintances) asking the patient to come back (even repeatedly!) before writing the script. That was not my experience, however. Generally, if you can go through a private doctor, the whole process should be less of a hassle; you'll get started more quickly, you will not have to go back as frequently, etc.

Lastly, I agree lower doses are better. Personally, I find that a higher dose (still no higher than 8-10mg) will heavily diminish cravings but leave me in a bit of a head fog.
 
my sub doctor gave me my scrip the first day but she didn't do a lab test on my urine, just a medical grade cup test, and she saw that I tested positive for opiates and was obviously in withdrawal, so she wrote me the scrip right away. she did however make me take the first dose at the office, and for several months would only write me for 14 subs at a time. I first started out on 14mg (1 3/4 8mg) suboxone film, and after the initial withdrawals were under control I soon tapered down to 8mg film and stayed there for a while. I tried to taper down more to 4mg w/in the first 6 months but became suicidally depressed (actually did try to kill myself) and was suffering so much anxiety despite not seeming to actually be experiencing withdrawal symptoms, that we went back up to 8mg for a while. I not long after that relapsed and following my week long relapse continued to use once every month or so for a few months, the cravings were just so out of control after that relapse I couldn't keep myself clean -- so we went up to 12mg film, which got the cravings under control and since then I have had only one itty bitty slip up (I would even call it a relapse, I didn't even get a buzz, it was an impulsive single pill while I had using junkie as a roommate and it takes at least 5-6 to get me buzzed even when I've been off the naloxone a few days. it was a non event.) in the past 13 months. not long after I switched to zubsolv (which is 100x better, tiny little pill that dissolves and absorbs super fast, pleasant minty flavour instead of vomit inducing chemical orange) and am now on 8.6mg of that (equivalent to 12mg suboxone film because zubsolv has higher bioavailability). I see my doctor every 4 weeks on the dot and these days she writes me for 28 sublingual tablets at a time. ever since my first relapse she drug tests me every single time, though before that she would drug test about every other time. failing a drug test w/ my doctor is not something that "gets you in trouble" (I got kicked out of another suboxone program I was briefly in when I moved across the state for failing a drug test, that was ridiculous ...I decided it was worth the monthly 4hr drive to stick w/ my original doctor). I used to smoke weed regularly and failed for weed consistently every time for quite a while and my doctor never had much of a problem w/ that. I have failed for benzos and amphetamines before but I was not abusing them, simply self medicating at a therapeutic dose for some of the mental health issues I have that I am trying to find something that works for despite the fact that no doctor I currently see will prescribe me anything scheduled or even anything vaguely considered abuseable, she understands that and because I let her know ahead of time the situation she did not have much issue w/ it. even when I have relapsed and failed for opiates I am not "punished" or reprimanded, we simply have a talk about how we can keep this from happening again.

my doctor is very good, I like her a lot.

however she is an addiction specialist only and will not prescribe me anything for any of my other mental health issues (I have gotten her to prescribe topirimate to help me w/ my eating but only because it is also good for opiate cravings and therefore "in her line of medicine"). also I know for a fact she would never even consider prescribing any kind of abuseable medication unfortunately despite the fact I could really use a stimulant for a couple problems I have and a benzo for my crippling anxiety. despite that I have enjoyed working w/ her and I wouldn't want to switch doctors.

I suggest you try to stick it out for at least a few months and really get a feel for the program before you decide you are put off. and if it doesn't work out there, look for another sub doctor, many are different. buprenorphrine saved my life in a dozen ways and I really hope it helps you as much as it helped me.
 
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