Psychonautical
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Alright, so i've been doing a lot of philosophizing about the different theories behind what could have possibly been in these theoretical psychoactive drinks from the Middle East and Egypt i have read so much about over the ages. I understand that those to places used to be a lot more lush than what they are today given all of the consistent wars and bombings over the centuries.
The first thing i started to think about is that the "burning bush" through which god spoke to people, wasn't actually Marijuana if you take a look at the area. It was an Acacia Species. Probably an Acacia species, that hasn't been tested for alkaloids yet, or one that is almost near extinction. Acacia Bushes are fairly common in those areas from what i have been able to decipher. But as all plants, different species within the same genus do not always contain the same alkaloids. Now when Egypt and Sumer and Iraq used to be more like a Forest rather an burnt desert plain. There used to be a lot of Lotus flowers and other herbs and plants and trees which no longer exist today. So i got to thinking if you Mix Lotus Flowers for Tranquility, with Syrian Rue, for Maoi Properties and Acacia Bush flowers. You would have a Psychoactive Middle Eastern Ayahuasca Admixture. In Theory. It would be safe to say that using the evidence of our day based upon the existing knowledge of thriving amazonian tribal cultures. It's that knowledge used to be obtained through the use of psychedelic plants. It wasn't created out of the thin air as a product of a consumerist media. So let just say as an example one day you have a sheep header out in the plain, and lightening strikes a bush, he goes over to the "burning bush" which just happens to be what we call an "acacia" today. He inhales the fumes from the smoke trying to put out the fire and has visions. Given the dmt alkaloid % in Acacia bushes can be in there in quantities of 2-4%. This is an ENTIRE Bush that is on fire. You would have to imagine that sheep herder is tripping out, It's like a Barn Fire full of DMT smoke. So he goes and tells his friends about it and they go and start looking for more of these bushes. So they start small with Fires, burning large DMT containing plant materials and having their own kind of "burning man" experiences. Eventually they hear about other psychoactive plant materials and they start to create wines and other concoctions which produce even stronger psychoactive effects. But then something happened. Either the drink became popular, and they accidentally drove one of the species into extinction, or they suffered a Cultural Amnesia because of a War, Plague, but something had to bypass their social and cultural consciousness of that time which didn't allow the knowledge to pass over into the next epoch and was then lost from the historical record. There many of these plants, like the Acacia Confusa from Taiwan which has OVER 4% alkaloid content in the more ancient trees. Is there perhaps there is a species almost near the edge of extinction somewhere out there in an Oasis that contains the Middle Eastern Heart of the DMT experience.
Now i believe that all psychoactive plant materials have their Gods, and their Goddesses Mimosa, is the Shamans tool. There haven't really been 'shamans' with these other plants working with them for Centuries. So you have to imagine, that if "drugs" are a "gateway into other dimensions of thought" and if we can get DMT from a variety of plant sources, just like people can get wine from many different kind of grape sources.
If you are a True Aficionado, meaning you don't abuse it, and you respect the material, you will notice subtly different effects from varying sources of material.
Example: Italian wine, is obviously going to be better than any wine you get out of California. There is something Shamanic about growing grapes for generations and then using an alchemical process to create an elixir.
So you have to imagine, like seriously join me on this imagination quest.
That the true shamans of Mimsoa have left their mark within it's material and spiritual plant realm. Just like the Italians have left their mark in the Wine world. By having put all of that love and time and care and joy into the process.
Just like people have left their mark in the cross breeding of different marijuana plants. All of these realms or dimensions to the different layers of everything you can experience from the DMT you can acquire are just different ways of looking into the realms of the spirits of the plants the people who use them.
So ultimately i feel it can be the EXACT same chemical, but if it comes from a different plant source, with a different set of cultural values surrounding it on a daily basis. it will produce different effects. because at a finite scale its all about vibrations.
The first thing i started to think about is that the "burning bush" through which god spoke to people, wasn't actually Marijuana if you take a look at the area. It was an Acacia Species. Probably an Acacia species, that hasn't been tested for alkaloids yet, or one that is almost near extinction. Acacia Bushes are fairly common in those areas from what i have been able to decipher. But as all plants, different species within the same genus do not always contain the same alkaloids. Now when Egypt and Sumer and Iraq used to be more like a Forest rather an burnt desert plain. There used to be a lot of Lotus flowers and other herbs and plants and trees which no longer exist today. So i got to thinking if you Mix Lotus Flowers for Tranquility, with Syrian Rue, for Maoi Properties and Acacia Bush flowers. You would have a Psychoactive Middle Eastern Ayahuasca Admixture. In Theory. It would be safe to say that using the evidence of our day based upon the existing knowledge of thriving amazonian tribal cultures. It's that knowledge used to be obtained through the use of psychedelic plants. It wasn't created out of the thin air as a product of a consumerist media. So let just say as an example one day you have a sheep header out in the plain, and lightening strikes a bush, he goes over to the "burning bush" which just happens to be what we call an "acacia" today. He inhales the fumes from the smoke trying to put out the fire and has visions. Given the dmt alkaloid % in Acacia bushes can be in there in quantities of 2-4%. This is an ENTIRE Bush that is on fire. You would have to imagine that sheep herder is tripping out, It's like a Barn Fire full of DMT smoke. So he goes and tells his friends about it and they go and start looking for more of these bushes. So they start small with Fires, burning large DMT containing plant materials and having their own kind of "burning man" experiences. Eventually they hear about other psychoactive plant materials and they start to create wines and other concoctions which produce even stronger psychoactive effects. But then something happened. Either the drink became popular, and they accidentally drove one of the species into extinction, or they suffered a Cultural Amnesia because of a War, Plague, but something had to bypass their social and cultural consciousness of that time which didn't allow the knowledge to pass over into the next epoch and was then lost from the historical record. There many of these plants, like the Acacia Confusa from Taiwan which has OVER 4% alkaloid content in the more ancient trees. Is there perhaps there is a species almost near the edge of extinction somewhere out there in an Oasis that contains the Middle Eastern Heart of the DMT experience.
Now i believe that all psychoactive plant materials have their Gods, and their Goddesses Mimosa, is the Shamans tool. There haven't really been 'shamans' with these other plants working with them for Centuries. So you have to imagine, that if "drugs" are a "gateway into other dimensions of thought" and if we can get DMT from a variety of plant sources, just like people can get wine from many different kind of grape sources.
If you are a True Aficionado, meaning you don't abuse it, and you respect the material, you will notice subtly different effects from varying sources of material.
Example: Italian wine, is obviously going to be better than any wine you get out of California. There is something Shamanic about growing grapes for generations and then using an alchemical process to create an elixir.
So you have to imagine, like seriously join me on this imagination quest.
That the true shamans of Mimsoa have left their mark within it's material and spiritual plant realm. Just like the Italians have left their mark in the Wine world. By having put all of that love and time and care and joy into the process.
Just like people have left their mark in the cross breeding of different marijuana plants. All of these realms or dimensions to the different layers of everything you can experience from the DMT you can acquire are just different ways of looking into the realms of the spirits of the plants the people who use them.
So ultimately i feel it can be the EXACT same chemical, but if it comes from a different plant source, with a different set of cultural values surrounding it on a daily basis. it will produce different effects. because at a finite scale its all about vibrations.
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