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Opioids short acting opiates and brain function

DeathIndustrial88 said:
You won't "kill your brain" doing opiates here or there per say, but every time you do them, you are letting yourself possibly get hooked. I hated opiates when I first tried them too. Made me nauseated, didn't get any euphoria the first few times. Couldn't understand what people saw in them. And look where I'm at now. Anything can happen. I think opioids are one of those drugs where you have to do them a few times and gain a tolerance to eliminate the shitty side effects and then you'll feel nothing but bliss and that's how you get trapped, hooked, addicted, etc.. Stay safe man and if you are young & don't want to live the life of a junkie or an addict, I'd use all the willpower you have not to return to that life. Good luck friend & enjoy life how you feel is best for you.
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Yeah man. I know very well what you are talking about. The first few times I took codeine or tramadol I only got drowsiness, itching, nausea but nothing else. It was the third or fourth time when I was dying of pain and I took 200mg. of tramadol on an empty stomach and I understood what everyone was talking about. (the bliss, the euphoria and the good things. Oh God what good moment. At that moment I LOVE LIFE!!)
 
do you guys think i should try to get on anti depressants?

curious i it will help me feel alive again never really done them before due to side effects
 
blackmarket91 said:
do you guys think i should try to get on anti depressants?

curious i it will help me feel alive again never really done them before due to side effects
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It never helped me. I've been on citalopram, effexor, wellbutrin, prozac, zoloft, remeron, lexapro & cymbalta. Some helped at first, gave me some kind of manic feelings. But in the long run, I still ended up going back to opiates and now I refuse SSRI's.

But it's really up to yourself to assess whether you need them or if they're warranted and they will effect everyone differently. I ended up worse them because they made my mood flat, my dick useless & some even made me gain weight.
 
blackmarket91 said:
do you guys think i should try to get on anti depressants?

curious i it will help me feel alive again never really done them before due to side effects
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Yeah I'm thinking the same too. Venlafaxine / Effexor helped me a lot in the past, although that was when I had no drug problems. I think it even has a very small opioid action, so in "theory" it should help.

During withdrawal, even sertraline helps me a bit. But I'm one of those people who hardly suffers from SSRI side effects.

Anyway, Ive a lot of faith in venlafaxine, because my father is currently taking it and I have seen how his mood has changed a lot. It really has helped him.
 
I keep thinking about the possible damage ive caused to myself taking abilify, citalopram, zyprexa, seroquel, triazolam, prozac, methadone, tramadol, heroin, gabapentin, and lsd even if the worst part happened years ago and right now im only on methadone and occasionally heroin, but when I get off of methadone I start using small doses of tramadol to help the leftover withdrawal that honestly never seems to go away... I just wish I knew what exactly would be the substance for me to curve addiction and depression/anxiety without having to fuck up my brain more than it already might be... I heard that fluoride is really bad for your brain and most of the meds I mentioned have much fluoride so idk... im not sure which is worse, a life of suicidal thoughts or just being fucking addicted to heroin and not functioning at all... at least when im depressed I can react to things and even do something...
 
strangeaeon said:
I keep thinking about the possible damage ive caused to myself taking abilify, citalopram, zyprexa, seroquel, triazolam, prozac, methadone, tramadol, heroin, gabapentin, and lsd even if the worst part happened years ago and right now im only on methadone and occasionally heroin, but when I get off of methadone I start using small doses of tramadol to help the leftover withdrawal that honestly never seems to go away... I just wish I knew what exactly would be the substance for me to curve addiction and depression/anxiety without having to fuck up my brain more than it already might be... I heard that fluoride is really bad for your brain and most of the meds I mentioned have much fluoride so idk... im not sure which is worse, a life of suicidal thoughts or just being fucking addicted to heroin and not functioning at all... at least when im depressed I can react to things and even do something...
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man i feel for ya.

iv never taken heroin was addicted to methadone only iv taken pain pills for fun but never did them enough to become physically addicted
 
blackmarket91 said:
i did tramadol a few times i had a seizure once took like 18 at a time like a decade ago was very dumb of me
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Wow. It's just that that's a monstrous dose. 100 mg pills. or 50 mg.?? 900-1800 mg. for someone without much tolerance it is almost a BIG CHANCE of seizure. (Did you take the pills all together or did you dose?)

It took me almost 1.5 years to reach such a dose. I still wonder how the fuck I could take 1700 mg. without any anti-convulsant. Dangerous stuff.
 
Yeah man, if you are doing heroin 24/7 non stop high doses for years and years.....you would have quite the withdrawal. Post acute would be just as long as if you took methadone the same time really.

I read so many times people on methadone and they want to switch to a short acting opiate since they think the withdrawal will be shorter. Which is completely fucked thinking since how would taking MORE opiates remove the damage methadone did to you?

People coming off methadone have such long withdrawals also since they probably took their dose every day barely missing even one dose. But if using a short acting daily for years, it will be just as bad. Perhaps even worse in intensity.
 
blackmarket91 said:
man i feel for ya.

iv never taken heroin was addicted to methadone only iv taken pain pills for fun but never did them enough to become physically addicted
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wait do you mean you used to iv methadone? i heard that it's like the most corrosive thing you could put in your veins as in more harmfum to iv than any other drug
also pills dont do shit to me anymore i only use them to curve withdrawals cause if i didnt i would vomit out my organs metaforically
 
strangeaeon said:
wait do you mean you used to iv methadone? i heard that it's like the most corrosive thing you could put in your veins as in more harmfum to iv than any other drug
also pills dont do shit to me anymore i only use them to curve withdrawals cause if i didnt i would vomit out my organs metaforically
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no only took it orally
 
blackmarket91 said:
its been proven that long term use of methadone will mess with your natural brain function up to 2 years from what iv been told by an addiction specialist

im curious if short acting opiates like oxycodone pills do the same for instance if someone was off methadone for awhile and took oxy at time if it continues to prolong your brain from recovering i ask due to them being completely different

iv had bad brain fog for the past 5 months of me coming off methadone i relapsed a week ago for 4 days in a row then once more a few days after i can barely function if eel very slow it seems my brain fog has double since putting that back into my body im curious if short acting opiates do the same thing iv never heard of people on average having that issue on oxy for example
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Opiates are physically benign (should one avoid the overdose threshold at all times). Of course--the more powerful ones like ultra strong heroin and methadone could cause some organ failure issues. However--this is noted in very severe opiate users and the negative effects could take years to occur. You wouldn't see it in typical oxycodone addicts in my opinion. Otherwise.. the brain usually recoveries 100% in time. At least 97% if one maintains full abstinence. It takes a long time no doubt--but not many substances out there let the user's brain recover to its original condition (pre-substances). Even black tar-smoking and fent patch-chewing fiend addicts have told me that in full abstinence.. their brains are 99%. They'd report around a full year of zero opiates that they felt normal.

The problem is we tend to relapse repeatedly and at random. These random relapses (even if very little relapsing is done) do in fact prolong the brain's recovery. I still stick by opiates being physically benign regarding substances as a whole. Opiates are so incredibly malicious and yet forgiving at the same time.

Shooting up however is its own game. The needle introduces new complications and I only recommend shooting up to someone who really knows what they're doing. I know that when it comes to heroin high people forego HR, but the needle does require a lot of experience and practice to use safely.
 
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