Stimulants Shocking feeling every now and then

[Oxycake]

Deru, do you know if these forms of neuropathy that seem clearly associated with drug use will eventually lead to things like autonomic neuropathy - the form of neuropathy that Johnny Cash?

A friend and fellow lightweight competitive strongman of mine was drinking FOUR Monster Energy drink per day, and after a few months of doing this, ended up getting numbness all throughout his left leg. I think in time, things got better, but it shocked me what an over-the-counter drug could do when done 4x the daily limit [because I think I am not the only BlueLighter to have gone over 4x the daily limit of our drug of choice - in my case: opiates!].

I definitely get a little myoclonus when I do opiates. That, in itself, is not a huge concern. I used to go to sleep using Xanax to attempt to sleep through withdrawal of opiates, and find myself waking up in the middle of the night with sleep paralysis. I think my body wanted to wake me up to re-dose the opiates, but the Xanax wanted to keep me asleep; hence the sleep paralysis. Now THAT made me much more concerned about damage to my central nervous than the myoclonus - which is something I have had to some extent my entire life [as is true of many of us - myoclonus is quite normal...sleep paralysis is normal too, but not at the frequency I was getting it at when combining opiates and benzodiazepines, which leads me to believe it was absolutely my drug use which caused it].

Also, sort of on-topic, sort of not: does anyone here do tests to see if they have damaged their CNS? I often try to hold my hands in front of me, and look for even the slightest shaking of my fingers. If I see nothing, I consider that to be a good sign.

I know what you're talking about. My body wakes me up to redose opiates and sometimes ill get sleep paralysis because of it

 

[Jabberwocky]

Also, sort of on-topic, sort of not: does anyone here do tests to see if they have damaged their CNS? I often try to hold my hands in front of me, and look for even the slightest shaking of my fingers. If I see nothing, I consider that to be a good sign.

I’d happily pay a neurologist for the full battery of tests to assess my CNS damage or my measures against an appropriate benchmark.

However, I don’t think that’s a service many offer and even if they did I’m not sure I could deal with the judgementalism it might come with.

Plus, if my results actually came back not to bad I’d use likely it as a rationale to keep getting fucked up. If my results were bad I’d rationalise doing more because I’ve already ruined my ability/potential.

 

[Japhy Ryder]

I’d happily pay a neurologist for the full battery of tests to assess my CNS damage or my measures against an appropriate benchmark.

However, I don’t think that’s a service many offer and even if they did I’m not sure I could deal with the judgementalism it might come with.

Plus, if my results actually came back not to bad I’d use likely it as a rationale to keep getting fucked up. If my results were bad I’d rationalise doing more because I’ve already ruined my ability/potential.

I like how you play to win. No zero sum game for you: If things are good, celebrate with drugs; if things go poorly, console and cope with drugs. It's comforting to see light in either outcome, and not in terms of loss.

 

[Gaffy]

Like shivers Or like heat ?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ha

I like how you play to win. No zero sum game for you: If things are good, celebrate with drugs; if things go poorly, console and cope with drugs. It's comforting to see light in either outcome, and not in terms of loss.

Ha ha - we only get one life. Best to make the most out of it whatever curves it throws you.

 

[Xorkoth]

Sounds like brain zaps. These are a symptom, usually, of serotonin depletion, which makes sense since meth releases serotonin. Is it like a sudden rush like electricity, mostly in the head? And for a second it's almost like you'll stumble and fall if you're standing/walking? Usually when I have them there is also a sort of inner ear whooshing sound.

 

[BlueBear007]

Do you know why that is?

When I have been taking meth daily for any longer than a week and then stop, I get brain zaps that feel exactly like what you get in SSRI withdrawal, as well as my whole baseline equilibrium being skewed and erratic feeling. I also get a strong tinnitus and histamine response. All together, it can feel pretty unbearable and sometimes will prompt use to relieve it when I had started out with the aim of taking a break

I typically use meth interchangeably with dexedrine, adderall and vyvanse and sometimes in combination. I've just come to think of it as amphetamine withdrawal, but the literature has never made any mention of withdrawal symptoms for amphetamines beyond things like mood, energy and temperament. I don't get crashes, or depression or anxiety after a binge or any kind of cessation. Other than I can be acutely short tempered, I don't suffer any of what you typically read or hear from other users about post amphetamine states. I get that in spades from cocaine, but with amphetamines, it's debilitating physical symptoms that feel like my brain is malfunctioning.

This sound familiar to anyone?

Yes. I Couldn't have said I better. It is as if the brain is malfuntioning! I get to where I put something away and swore I put it where I thought I put it but it isn't there. Or a game of losing and finding, losing thing and finding. It i extremely aggravating and can go on for quit some time.Usually this happens by the end of a several day( or week) binge and had been up.
When I first withdrew from meth I wouldn't call it zapping to me it felt like I was vibrating. Also another slide effect when I was starting out was my body feeling so heavy and achy.

 

[wudbutcher]

Last time I took a break,(halloween? 21 days), I had zaps for the first13 days. To the point I feared falling if I was vertical. As if for a split second, I had forgotten how to walk
Had to keep the volume down too, the tinnitis was competetive, and volume increased over surrounding noise.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I too have myoclonic jerks related to opioid use (I think).

Most of my tests show nothing abnormal, so I haven't been worried about them. Some times they freak me out though cause it feels like I completely lose control over my body for a second, or a limb. Some times feels like I'm being electrocuted.

Mine usually only happen when I trie to go to sleep. They're not hypnagogic jerks because they happen long before I'm even close to falling asleep, usually just in a state of relaxation. And I also have random tics here or there while standing up right and totally awake. They seem to come & go in frequency. Some weeks I can go without very many body jerks and then other times they may happen every night for weeks.

With that said, I did get them when not on opiates as well. And I have done a lot of crystal meth in my day. Damage to dopamine receptors in the brain (which meth does) can cause movement disorders, even parkinsons. I believe dopamine plays a big role in the functioning of movement and muscle control, so it would make sense that any damage done to this area of the brain could lead to movement disorders (among a host of other things).

 

[Murphdawg]

I am a daily user of meth and I sometimes feel like electricity shocking my body am wondering what it is from ie lack of water or food. I sleep regularly and function just fine if anybody can share some insite would be great

Salts are conductive to electricity. Having that much meth in you will alter the salt concentration of your body fluids making them more electrically conductive. Look into electrolysis of brine solutions for more info. I'm a smart person this is why I use meth daily, I know I'm altering my electrochemistry and I like the results

 

[sej123080]

I am a daily user of meth and I sometimes feel like electricity shocking my body am wondering what it is from ie lack of water or food. I sleep regularly and function just fine if anybody can share some insite would be great

It’s likely caused by overstimulation to cns or release of trauma. Yoga and meditation help. I’ve experienced it quite a bit. I’ve learned to embrace it and remind myself it’s only a sensation that my body is using to protect itself. I’ve had whole body vibrations last days. I’m not even sure it’s connected to the meth but it most likely exacerbates it. Also listen to binaural beats. They heal the brain.

 

[sej123080]

Salts are conductive to electricity. Having that much meth in you will alter the salt concentration of your body fluids making them more electrically conductive. Look into electrolysis of brine solutions for more info. I'm a smart person this is why I use meth daily, I know I'm altering my electrochemistry and I like the results

That’s really interesting. Thanks

 

[foodcrisis]

i get electrical zaps and pins in my body and head after getting hit by a car and damaging my central nervous system... i'm guessing that if a person is getting these shocks they could have a some mild damage done to their nerves. i've heard of a lot of people getting this from playing football and hockey. i've even heard people suspect that they were held the wrong way as a baby or crushed in the womb a bit to damage their CNS.

 

[plumbus-nine]

Last time I took a break,(halloween? 21 days), I had zaps for the first13 days. To the point I feared falling if I was vertical. As if for a split second, I had forgotten how to walk
Had to keep the volume down too, the tinnitis was competetive, and volume increased over surrounding noise.

Yeah, when it occurs during a break or in-between dosing then it is serotonin depletion akin to SSRI discontinuation and annoying but nothing to worry too much about. If it happens while on the meth it's different matter though and possibly reason for worrying.

I got myoclonic jerks (probably? Like slight electric zaps in my extremities) from high dosages of pregabalin and I didn't listen, took an even higher dose and developed a seizure.

 

[justactNaTuRaL]

The red-flag point here is that the symptoms are causing you to re-dose when you intended to have a break. One major withdrawal symptom of amps, especially meth, is craving that emerges around 2 days after your last dose.

You're 100% right this is what makes it so addictive. I find with experience it's easy to find willpower to put the pipe down and go to bed, even after a decent binge if you have work the next day. Makes you feel like you're beating addiction.

And if you hydrate, take vitamins, etc you'll be fine for a few days. But the desire to use hits hard after you heal up a bit. I only use small amounts at a time and plan out longer binges, but i find it extremely difficult to wait longer than a week.

When the bag runs out though I'm fine because my guy doesn't have it very often. But when he does I buy enough to last a year lmao

 

[jsinger]

@Strboss2015

OP can you specify what it feels like a bit more?

I've felt both brain zaps and body shocks

brain zaps feels like your brain glitches out for a second

body shocks feels like electricity coming out of your spine into your limbs

IMO at least, I think they are 2 different things.

either way your best bet is to take a break from the stims

I would differentiate the two as well. It brain zaps some more often nowadays and body shocks seem to occur when my regular use gets thrown off or more specifically an abrupt change in my intake‘s apps are completely random and some red mentioned SSRIs which was basically the same thing as the meth induced brain zaps just not as frequent or strong both random and I would be in agreement with meths neurotoxicityon the nervous system be in the culprit

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I’ve had the tip of one finger in my left hand go quite numb - is that an example of peripheral neuropathy? I’m not sure whether I hit a nerve further up my arm with a needle, whether it is a masturbation injury (don’t ask), or a symptom of something I should worry about.

On two occasions my right hand upper fingers were numb. The first time was so bad it effected my drawing/ writing.

The first time a fysio therapist just turned my had leftwards and I felt a snap and the numbness was gone.

So the second time thinking it was the same problem up to the fysio therapist. And he concluded the numbing was caused by something totally different and gave me a set of execises to do. That solved the problem pretty quickly. Moral two apperently the same symptoms caused by different causes. You can't say which causes what, only a specialist will be able.

 

[only1truelove4ever]

I am a daily user of meth and I sometimes feel like electricity shocking my body am wondering what it is from ie lack of water or food. I sleep regularly and function just fine if anybody can share some insite would be great

It's a decrease in serotonin levels, typical when withdrawing from something that had been increasing them some.