I will edit later with further rebuttals but as for the last 2 articles:
The fifth article says that some instances are reversible. I never said that temporary use leading to TD could not be reversed. They did not follow up beyond 2 years. What I said was that if you continue to use the drugs after showing symptoms they will become permanent at some point. Stopping these poisons when you get Tardive dyskinesia can make it go away if you stop early enough.
The sixth article proves my point I do not know why you added it.
I posted all the relevant articles, against your first two quotes and in support of your last two quotes, because I want what is true. There is only one truth and belongs to none.
The reason we got heated and argued, even without having read anything about the particular topic I noticed you used the words: not any and 100%. Those are red flags anywhere.
We are not literally talking about putting a bullet in the patients head. I have a modest faith that a large number of people making decisions, whether or not they were doctors, would have seen a reason to act as they did.
There is generally a difference between people who are sick and those who are well, in terms of reacting to medicine. That just make sense. I think the fact that the side effect, in this instance, is worse for the ill than the healthy, says something in particular about the kind of medicine this is. Kind of reminds me of chemo-therapy, the high degree of compromise being made.
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My original intent was not to contradict your statements. Simply to show what I consider to be a high risk of side effects but also to show that even without taking these drugs schizophrenics may have these symptoms.
In practice, yes, if you continue taking these antipsychotics, after getting true tardive dyskensia, it would become intractable.
The thing that sucks for many people, I imagine, is that taking the typical anti-psychotics followed by the atypical seems worse than taking either on their own. What a trap!
Now if someone wanted to come here and discuss the benefit of the medicine, even if the patients develop this uncomfortable disorder, they might benefit for a short period of time, perhaps 2 or 3 months, and I think that short relief could be a huge benefit for patients.
the problem is that the negative symptoms aren't being adequately treated. even abilify and latuda don't entirely treat the negative symptoms. ssris and other drugs are useful, but not entirely. I'm lucky to have found a combination that works for me, but it's a hell of a lot of drugs, and I have to take it every day. luckily I didn't get the cognitive symptoms as bad as many people. so I can still go to school. and due to having no positive (or very mild positive) symptoms and mostly negative/cognitive symptoms at the fore - that along with a compassionate, experienced doctor - I'm able to take a stimulant when needed, which is pretty much all the time lol but I will take a break when school gets done.
