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requesting ideas to try for sleep

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idontremember said:
I'm an outlier, but melatonin really screws with my sleep and gives me horrible nightmares. I have tried different dosages etc but it sucks for me.

Unisom/doxylamine (not dipenhydramine/benydryl) works the best out of the OTC drugs but might make you groggy in the morning. Dipenhydramine/Benydryl doesn't do anything for me for sleep
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Higher doses of melatonin give me weird dreams too, but I seem to tolerate up to 2 or 3 mg okay; I think it helps with sleep somewhat but just isn't enough on its own. I agree doxylamine is way more effective than diphenhydramine, but in the past whenever I took it more than 2 consecutive days, by the the third day it started losing effectiveness, maybe a tolerance developing. Since my original post, I've come to realize that inconsistency of wake/sleep schedule (shifting around my hours to be able to have any social interaction when everybody else is on a normal schedule) and light going into my eyes at the wrong times are the 2 main causes of my chronic sleep loss. Sunglasses help with the light issue, but it sucks having to choose between keeping a consistent schedule for better sleep versus spending time with my family or anybody when I'm off duty for 2 or 3 days/nights. Or even something like wanting to shop when stores are open.
 
Do not take 1000mg modafinil if u like some sleep ecause 10mg alprazolam on top of 200mg oxyER won't stop that stimulative-overthinking.
 
I need a fan on to sleep, I need the constant noise. Either a table top fap or I have a large oscillating fan. I simply cant sleep if its dead quite.

Usually 1/2 tab of diphenhydramine knocks me out pretty quick, but it doesn't work if I'm withdrawaling at all.

if its light withdrawals and im just tossing and turning i found Gabapentin with Clonidine works.

Full withdrawals I cant sleep and haven't figured a way to. Nothing seems to work for the rls.
 
I've found magnesium supplements help.
Exercising before bed if even a walk helps.
Like others have said cut down on screen time for a couple hours before bed
I would try all natural recommendations before moving sleep medicine especially anti psychotics.
I'm prescribed zopiclone and I helps me fall asleep but wears off.
There are patches that have melatonin, hops and a few other natural products that slow release over 8 hrs.
I ordered some and hopefully it works. Waking at 4 am when you don't have work sucks
 
Exercise (not too late), sleep hygiene, regular eating schedule, quetiapine (50mg is optimum for me), no stimulants (no coffee after afternoon etc.), no screens in the evening but instead reading.

If things get desperate i'll ask a doctor for zopiclone or temazepam. Other medication either doesn't work or makes me groggy as shit. Which is no good when trying to stay sane from sleep deprivation.

Honorable mention goes to valerian root tea. I also eat a lot of vitamins which I prefer to take at night, some of which apparently can cause tiredness, but on their own they don't work for me, maybe they're beneficial though.

If you can swing it, see if you can get a sleep study done on you. It might help pinpoint the issue.
 
You can try selank nasal drops

It's a Russian peptide that works mostly on the GABA system but also dopamine and serotonin. There's no risk of physical dependency or withdrawal symptoms.
 
I've read about both of them and have considered trying them. It seems like all the literature is in Russian, hasn't been studied outside of there at all
 
Let's not forget good old ganja. Maybe a couple smokes earlier in evening helps.
 
Turkey75# said:
Hello everyone,

I would like to know any and all ideas for sleep enhancement, including for falling asleep and for staying asleep; ideas can include pharmacological or non-pharmacological, but I'm only interested in options that are legal in the U.S., preferably without a prescription. I have a prescription for Trazodone, but it hasn't been working well enough lately. I'm on a horrible shift work schedule but need to stick it out and suffer through it for a while before looking at other job possibilities. I already take 3 mg of melatonin. Sometimes I take diphenhydramine or doxalymine succinate, but tolerance to these seems to develop quickly, so I only take one of them about once or twice per week at most. Valerian (just little capsules from a local drug store) hasn't helped much. Kava in little capsule form bought off Amazon didn't seem to do much either. Theanine seems to help somewhat with staying asleep. Alcohol is totally useless, just makes me feel nauseous. I suspect that OTC medicines and herbs might work better in combination with each other, but I'm not sure which combinations to try or what's safe to take with Trazodone versus what I should skip the Trazodone when taking. I'm experimenting some with room temperature and already wear an eye cover when trying to sleep in the day time. I often get drowsy at random times like while on the job and have had to take caffeine pills to get through my shifts, yet can't sleep when I need to (which is usually during the day time). Ambient noise has also been a problem, and I'm considering sleeping with ear plugs but am afraid I might not hear my alarm and get up on time. I often have very little time between work shifts to settle down for sleep, sometimes being at work for 14 hours then only home for 10 before having to be back for the next shift. Thanks in advance for any ideas.
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Do you live near a cell tower? Is your wifi on at night or a smartphone? Most people do as I did. Wireless radiation decreases the natural production of melatonin among other problems. I use meatonin 5 mg at night but it's not enough living in electrosmog. This is why people are using emf canopies which block out these frequencies. I've used a Faraday cage to sleep in which is similar to a canopy. My sleep is great when inside a canopy (Faraday cage) and I can get deep sleep for 8-12 hours. My dreams came back and I wake up feeling great. You mentioned Amazon, check out emf bed canopies and you'll see people are buying them off the shelves in 2024.
I went though this same thing in 2018. Waking up after a few hours wondering why and I went down the list of meds and diet, nothing changed so I looked at environmental factors around my house. The only thing that changed was they put up cell towers nearby. I bought a emf meter and read the bio-initiative report 2012 and found what was ruining my sleep.
https://bioinitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/BioInitiativeReport-RF-Color-Charts.pdf
Look at all the frequencies that hinder sleep and other things. If you try out a canopy you'll sleep like a baby again. Also if you sleep during the day use blackout curtains. Here is a link for emf canopies I use:

EMF Bed Canopy

EMF Bed Canopy, RF Bed Canopies will help protect you from RF and microwaves in or outside your home.
safelivingtechnologies.com safelivingtechnologies.com
or
www.yshield.com

YSHIELD® BTD | Shielding canopy | Double bed | SILVER-TULLE | YSHIELD®

www.yshield.com www.yshield.com
There are other options such as paints and clothing but I'd rather have something that doesn't touch my skin when sleeping.
Also do you get ringing in the ears? This is a sign that your sensitive to EMF's.
Insomnia, stress, headaches and fatigue are all common symptons of radiowave sickness.
https://www.truthforhealth.org/5g-and-your-health/
The cheapest way is to buy a emf hat which will run you about $50 and see if it helps. The best hats on the market come from Leblok. I'll leave the link:
leblok.com

Official Leblok Shop

Discover the latest EMF Clothing and Shielding Leblok products for Men, Women and Children in the Official Online Shop. Shop genuine Leblok products now!
leblok.com leblok.com
I hope with all the info on these sites backed by science you'll try something out. If you can't afford anything if you have wireless on shut it off. Sleep in the basement where most frequencies are grounded. I get great sleep in the basement too and its dark down there with the lights off. So if you have a basement this would be a free test to these claims. I also bought a emf meter which I use all over. It will tell you if the levels are too high or in the range for humans. We are electrical beings and these frequencies effect all of us. The doctors will not tell you this and just push another pill. Like putting a bandage on a gun shot wound.
You can also talk to an emf specialist of your choice. The first link has free consultations for questions.
I hope this helped. Let me know what worked for you.
 
Turkey75# said:
Hello everyone,

I would like to know any and all ideas for sleep enhancement, including for falling asleep and for staying asleep; ideas can include pharmacological or non-pharmacological, but I'm only interested in options that are legal in the U.S., preferably without a prescription. I have a prescription for Trazodone, but it hasn't been working well enough lately. I'm on a horrible shift work schedule but need to stick it out and suffer through it for a while before looking at other job possibilities. I already take 3 mg of melatonin. Sometimes I take diphenhydramine or doxalymine succinate, but tolerance to these seems to develop quickly, so I only take one of them about once or twice per week at most. Valerian (just little capsules from a local drug store) hasn't helped much. Kava in little capsule form bought off Amazon didn't seem to do much either. Theanine seems to help somewhat with staying asleep. Alcohol is totally useless, just makes me feel nauseous. I suspect that OTC medicines and herbs might work better in combination with each other, but I'm not sure which combinations to try or what's safe to take with Trazodone versus what I should skip the Trazodone when taking. I'm experimenting some with room temperature and already wear an eye cover when trying to sleep in the day time. I often get drowsy at random times like while on the job and have had to take caffeine pills to get through my shifts, yet can't sleep when I need to (which is usually during the day time). Ambient noise has also been a problem, and I'm considering sleeping with ear plugs but am afraid I might not hear my alarm and get up on time. I often have very little time between work shifts to settle down for sleep, sometimes being at work for 14 hours then only home for 10 before having to be back for the next shift. Thanks in advance for any ideas.
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Ambien IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST!!! I MEAN IT'S REALLY THE BOMB!!!! Def sleep with ear plugs...I use a versa 2 or my versa 3 fit bit watch with a vibrating alarm... LOVE IT!!! Or... And...I also sleep with my phone and all my alarms are solely vibrate or vibrate with alarm because I live in a communal living arrangement... and because my last upstairs neighbors wore the WORST!!!!!

GOOD LUCK!!!
 
PharmaTrain said:
Do you live near a cell tower? Is your wifi on at night or a smartphone? Most people do as I did. Wireless radiation decreases the natural production of melatonin among other problems. I use meatonin 5 mg at night but it's not enough living in electrosmog. This is why people are using emf canopies which block out these frequencies. I've used a Faraday cage to sleep in which is similar to a canopy. My sleep is great when inside a canopy (Faraday cage) and I can get deep sleep for 8-12 hours. My dreams came back and I wake up feeling great. You mentioned Amazon, check out emf bed canopies and you'll see people are buying them off the shelves in 2024.
I went though this same thing in 2018. Waking up after a few hours wondering why and I went down the list of meds and diet, nothing changed so I looked at environmental factors around my house. The only thing that changed was they put up cell towers nearby. I bought a emf meter and read the bio-initiative report 2012 and found what was ruining my sleep.
https://bioinitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/BioInitiativeReport-RF-Color-Charts.pdf
Look at all the frequencies that hinder sleep and other things. If you try out a canopy you'll sleep like a baby again. Also if you sleep during the day use blackout curtains. Here is a link for emf canopies I use:

EMF Bed Canopy

EMF Bed Canopy, RF Bed Canopies will help protect you from RF and microwaves in or outside your home.
safelivingtechnologies.com safelivingtechnologies.com
or
www.yshield.com

YSHIELD® BTD | Shielding canopy | Double bed | SILVER-TULLE | YSHIELD®

www.yshield.com www.yshield.com
There are other options such as paints and clothing but I'd rather have something that doesn't touch my skin when sleeping.
Also do you get ringing in the ears? This is a sign that your sensitive to EMF's.
Insomnia, stress, headaches and fatigue are all common symptons of radiowave sickness.
https://www.truthforhealth.org/5g-and-your-health/
The cheapest way is to buy a emf hat which will run you about $50 and see if it helps. The best hats on the market come from Leblok. I'll leave the link:
leblok.com

Official Leblok Shop

Discover the latest EMF Clothing and Shielding Leblok products for Men, Women and Children in the Official Online Shop. Shop genuine Leblok products now!
leblok.com leblok.com
I hope with all the info on these sites backed by science you'll try something out. If you can't afford anything if you have wireless on shut it off. Sleep in the basement where most frequencies are grounded. I get great sleep in the basement too and its dark down there with the lights off. So if you have a basement this would be a free test to these claims. I also bought a emf meter which I use all over. It will tell you if the levels are too high or in the range for humans. We are electrical beings and these frequencies effect all of us. The doctors will not tell you this and just push another pill. Like putting a bandage on a gun shot wound.
You can also talk to an emf specialist of your choice. The first link has free consultations for questions.
I hope this helped. Let me know what worked for you.
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Where the aluminum foil hat for $50?
 
As my sleep is also wrecked wre kinda on the same boat.

Any idea what's the cause. Sometimes soft sound devices work, good ones, with rain or watersounds or a soft volume tv on teletext.

Herbal. Mulungu used to work great, but It still lies unopened. On some Lemon Balm/ Passieflora/ Valerian a.o. extract atm. And every morning the Blue Benzo lies unntouched next to my bed.

As soon as I tried the Mulungu I'll post a report, in high regard of that Bark. But was it placebo of actuall effect?
 
before taking the pharmaceutical route, give Kava Kava a try. It helped me during some nasty stims comedown, it s like a weaker but way safer natural benzo, worth a shot
 
I'm a major proponent of Clonidine (Catapres) as far as pharmacological options go. It is a potent sedative, yet is not "addictive" in any traditional sense. They give it to folks in withdrawal frequently for this purpose. I feel this purpose is just as apt in a healthy person looking for help sleeping. The obvious choices here are going to be the Z-Drugs like Zolpidem (Ambien). I don't like recommending these things right out of the gate, as they are potent and can be quite habit forming.

If you are interested in talking about Clonidine, feel free. Otherwise, i feel sleep hygiene is a very important practice that everyone can get some benefit from. You've gotta be disciplined regarding "screens". It's so easy to get caught up in work, fun, entertainment. You've gotta decide when you're gonna sleep, put the phone away, turn the lights off and don't half-ass it.
 
Has anyone heard of frequency healing? The ultra rich have been using this method for a long time. Insurance won't pay for it only cash but it works. It's not the type where you go on youtube and listen to sounds. This one they put you in a frequency free room and turn on a frequency generator to a specific Hz to heal everything from sleep disorders to pain ext.
It's the opposite of what were all exposed to with wireless radiation ie: 4G, 5G hurting frequencies.
 
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