Bupe Questions about suboxone

[FEMALEVOMITBLOWJOB]

I'm trying to get on the butrans patch for treatment resistant depression if this new Desoxyn script I'm getting next week doesn't work. It goes up to 20 mcg and one patch lasts a week maybe try that

 

[PharmSauce]

I'm trying to get on the butrans patch for treatment resistant depression if this new Desoxyn script I'm getting next week doesn't work. It goes up to 20 mcg and one patch lasts a week maybe try that

Rx methamphetamine. Where are you located, just curious? I haven't seen a prescription for it yet in 5 years of pharmacy

 

[FEMALEVOMITBLOWJOB]

Rx methamphetamine. Where are you located, just curious? I haven't seen a prescription for it yet in 5 years of pharmacy

South Texas. My psychiatrist is very liberal I get whatever I want whenever I want

 

[opiatekrzy]

I been taking Suboxone for over ten years, and I don't feel it raises your opiate tolerance to commercial opiates, obviously if you didn't dose the same day trying to use opiates as if causes a blockade effect to some degree. I could take 4-5 tabs and feel a buzz still from tabs taking a day break on subs, compared to needed 20 to still be sick when heroin dependent

 

[FutureReference]

It is unfortunate Oxycodone is so expensive on the streets nowadays. I know it isn't the answer you hope for. But Suboxone can help with pain. They prescribe in doses high enough to drown your opioid receptors, but if you take 1MG or less you will have it converted to norbuprenorphine which is a powerful opioid and will help with pain. Less is more with Bupe

 

[Quere]

It is unfortunate Oxycodone is so expensive on the streets nowadays. I know it isn't the answer you hope for. But Suboxone can help with pain. They prescribe in doses high enough to drown your opioid receptors, but if you take 1MG or less you will have it converted to norbuprenorphine which is a powerful opioid and will help with pain. Less is more with Bupe

Yeah I think when it was prescribed as a painkiller before suboxone etc, it was used at dosages like that^ I think maybe in .5 or 1mg doses

Edit: just looked it up and it was sold under the brand name temgesic for pain in 0.2 mg and 0.4 mg sublingual tablets

 

[FEMALEVOMITBLOWJOB]

Yeah I think when it was prescribed as a painkiller before suboxone etc, it was used at dosages like that^ I think maybe in .5 or 1mg doses

Edit: just looked it up and it was sold under the brand name temgesic for pain in 0.2 mg and 0.4 mg sublingual tablets

Damn straight I was considering that temgesic strip for the inside of the cheek but with zero opioid tolerance like me you could get the equivalent of .12 mg all week long with the butrans patch at 5 mcg .

From what I've researched less is indeed more with buprenorphine

 

[Quere]

Damn straight I was considering that temgesic strip for the inside of the cheek but with zero opioid tolerance like me you could get the equivalent of .12 mg all week long with the butrans patch at 5 mcg .

From what I've researched less is indeed more with buprenorphine

Yeah I once gave someone with low tolerance (they talked up their use a lot so I thought their tolerance was higher but turned out they could get wasted on 5 mg of oxy injected lol) a quarter of a 2mg suboxone and they were wasted for like 24 hrs, he was throwing up and everything had real pinned pupils etc.

 

[FEMALEVOMITBLOWJOB]

That's what I call harm reduction you give someone opiate nieve an overdose like that make them sick as a dog they say "fuck pain killers" you just prevented a future heroin addict congratulations.

Yeah I once gave someone with low tolerance (they talked up their use a lot so I thought their tolerance was higher but turned out they could get wasted on 5 mg of oxy injected lol) a quarter of a 2mg suboxone and they were wasted for like 24 hrs, he was throwing up and everything had real pinned pupils etc.

 

[Quere]

That's what I call harm reduction you give someone opiate nieve an overdose like that make them sick as a dog they say "fuck pain killers" you just prevented a future heroin addict congratulations.

Hahaha yeah luckily it was bupe which is quite hard to fatally overdose on. Relatively to full agonist opioids at least.

Needless to say I was quite worried when I saw how wasted he was. Him and his friends had been talking with me about shooting smack etc like the did it all the time so I thought they had reasonable tolerances. But I think in reality they'd injected smack a couple of times and didn't really have tolerances at all.

 

[FutureReference]

Yeah Temgesic and Butrans are the only formulations directly meant to treat pain. Doctors don't care though and prescribe Suboxone off-label as a painkiller even though the official website specifically cites it is not meant for pain at all!

Anyways, I voluntarily switched when my opioid tolerance got "too high". I was prescribed 160mg of Oxy a day and 40mg of Opana which truly helped. Tried Suboxone for 5 years and just recently went back but with the new regulations it is annoying. Much lesser dose and sometimes debate going back on Suboxone. Can only speak from experience, but 1MG upon waking on an empty stomach with 0.5MG about 6 hours later helped me through the day! 2MG and under is where it's at, the norbuprenorphine is even better for pain than Hydrocodone. Just frustrating to mess around and see how low you need to go to get the desired effects. For pain, spreading your dose out is ideal.

As stated above though, if your insurance covers it, Butrans works extremely well for many people. But yeah as for the Suboxone seriously try to keep them doses lower than 2MG and I truly believe it will help your pain tremendously. Combine with Naproxen to help also. Wishing you the best man

 

[Quere]

Yeah Temgesic and Butrans are the only formulations directly meant to treat pain. Doctors don't care though and prescribe Suboxone off-label as a painkiller even though the official website specifically cites it is not meant for pain at all!

Anyways, I voluntarily switched when my opioid tolerance got "too high". I was prescribed 160mg of Oxy a day and 40mg of Opana which truly helped. Tried Suboxone for 5 years and just recently went back but with the new regulations it is annoying. Much lesser dose and sometimes debate going back on Suboxone. Can only speak from experience, but 1MG upon waking on an empty stomach with 0.5MG about 6 hours later helped me through the day! 2MG and under is where it's at, the norbuprenorphine is even better for pain than Hydrocodone. Just frustrating to mess around and see how low you need to go to get the desired effects. For pain, spreading your dose out is ideal.

As stated above though, if your insurance covers it, Butrans works extremely well for many people. But yeah as for the Suboxone seriously try to keep them doses lower than 2MG and I truly believe it will help your pain tremendously. Combine with Naproxen to help also. Wishing you the best man

Yeah that's really dumb prescribing bupe/nal for pain. Even dumber than prescribing it with naloxone for addiction seeing as buprenorphine's binding affinity is always gonna out compete the naloxone even if you do inject it.

It's like everyone (the end users, the pharmaceutical companies etc) except the prescribing doctors (who hand it out believing it's a miracle drug thats impossible to abuse) know that the naloxone does nothing to prevent abuse.

My experience and understanding is that all the naloxone does is make Suboxone less likely to be tolerated in individuals who, for whatever reason experience side effects from naloxone.

In my country they can't even prescribe buprenorphine w/o naloxone for opioid addiction, so if it doesn't agree with you, you gotta go on mdone and if you dont want that you're screwed.

This whole attitude that for a drug to be suitable for substitution treatment it has to be the least euphoric or abusable drug possible (even at the cost of treatment efficacy/patient quality of life/side effects) is absolute rubbish.

Substitution is at its most effective when treatment retention is high and the patient is completely satiated and feels no desire to use illicit opioids on top.

Obviously euphoria is an important reason why we use opioids in the first place and would be a huge asset to any substitution treatment by improving treatment retention.

I mean when you look at IV diamorphine substitution treatment studies from more progressive countries you see that despite intravenous administration and a more euphoric drug it still has similar efficacy to methadone treatment. It also can stabilize patients who were never able to quit using Heroin & Co. while on the more conventional methadone treatment.

In conclusion, I want to eat the eyeballs of all the so called 'addiction specialists' (well at least the ones whose views don't align with my own hahaha ) and then they can crown me "International King of addiction treatment" because I am right and they are wrong and I will bring a new age of enlightenment to the world and the elves won't have to leave middle earth. And goku will be my right hand man/enforcer cause I cbf training in 200x normal gravity.

 

[Painful One]

Trev,

Thank you so much for your kind thoughts my dear friend. That really made my day.
I have been having it real rough too. I know exactly what you mean about time not improving the situation but making it worse.
Obviously we have progressive type problems going on.
I know it gets irritating having people tell you time heals or have you tried this or that? It’s like, yeah I have tried it.
If you thought of it, believe me, I did too and tried it!

Luckily my family is really coming around. I have a cousin who has come down with something similar to myself. So they get to see that example as well as both my brothers have sustained bad injuries and are now living in chronic pain also. They both actually apologized to me for their behavior and are trying to help me now instead of thinking they are helping me by giving me “tough love”.

I think of you often too. I know I am not the only one suffering and being forced to stay home a lot as activity has become so hard.
I wish you weren’t here with me but it does help to know I’m not alone and others do understand.

I hope your settlement goes well. I am still trying to get disability benefits. What a stressful crock of BS that is huh?!
You remain in my prayers and I am really hoping for you to avoid dialysis. I would think the doctors would be helping you with very pure pain control so as not to hurt your kidneys more! It is ridiculous. I had a friend who had the kidney transplant and did real well with it and has been able to live a normal life since the transplant.

Sending you lots of love and support my brother.

 

[FEMALEVOMITBLOWJOB]

Yeah that's really dumb prescribing bupe/nal for pain. Even dumber than prescribing it with naloxone for addiction seeing as buprenorphine's binding affinity is always gonna out compete the naloxone even if you do inject it.

It's like everyone (the end users, the pharmaceutical companies etc) except the prescribing doctors (who hand it out believing it's a miracle drug thats impossible to abuse) know that the naloxone does nothing to prevent abuse.

My experience and understanding is that all the naloxone does is make Suboxone less likely to be tolerated in individuals who, for whatever reason experience side effects from naloxone.

In my country they can't even prescribe buprenorphine w/o naloxone for opioid addiction, so if it doesn't agree with you, you gotta go on mdone and if you dont want that you're screwed.

This whole attitude that for a drug to be suitable for substitution treatment it has to be the least euphoric or abusable drug possible (even at the cost of treatment efficacy/patient quality of life/side effects) is absolute rubbish.

Substitution is at its most effective when treatment retention is high and the patient is completely satiated and feels no desire to use illicit opioids on top.

Obviously euphoria is an important reason why we use opioids in the first place and would be a huge asset to any substitution treatment by improving treatment retention.

I mean when you look at IV diamorphine substitution treatment studies from more progressive countries you see that despite intravenous administration and a more euphoric drug it still has similar efficacy to methadone treatment. It also can stabilize patients who were never able to quit using Heroin & Co. while on the more conventional methadone treatment.

In conclusion, I want to eat the eyeballs of all the so called 'addiction specialists' (well at least the ones whose views don't align with my own hahaha ) and then they can crown me "International King of addiction treatment" because I am right and they are wrong and I will bring a new age of enlightenment to the world and the elves won't have to leave middle earth. And goku will be my right hand man/enforcer cause I cbf training in 200x normal gravity.

I heard a drug called ibogaine is great for addiction but it's banned in the USA however if opioid addiction withdraw is so bad my solution would be clinically induced comatose cold turkey for 7 days. Iv drip, colostomy bag, needle up your cock, wake up problem solved am I right?

Unlike benzo WD opioid WD is a cakewalk from what I hear ?

 

[Sertürner]

I heard a drug called ibogaine is great for addiction but it's banned in the USA however if opioid addiction withdraw is so bad my solution would be clinically induced comatose cold turkey for 7 days. Iv drip, colostomy bag, needle up your cock, wake up problem solved am I right?

Unlike benzo WD opioid WD is a cakewalk from what I hear ?

Ibogaine is a great option for opiate addiction. But, it is the exact opposite of what you would prefer. It's a week long psychedelic experience (I dont believe you will be hallucinating for 7 days, but I have heard that the effects can be felt that long) that is full of intense emotions and can cause serious health issues (esp on the heart IIRC) if not administered properly or monitored properly.

The idea of being in a drug induced coma for 7 days sounds worse than the WD to be honest. No tube up my dick please. I would think that opioids would be necessary to deal with the pain of all the tubes shoved inside you when you come out it anyways.

 

[Quere]

I heard a drug called ibogaine is great for addiction but it's banned in the USA however if opioid addiction withdraw is so bad my solution would be clinically induced comatose cold turkey for 7 days. Iv drip, colostomy bag, needle up your cock, wake up problem solved am I right?

Unlike benzo WD opioid WD is a cakewalk from what I hear ?

Ibogaine is a great option for opiate addiction. But, it is the exact opposite of what you would prefer. It's a week long psychedelic experience (I dont believe you will be hallucinating for 7 days, but I have heard that the effects can be felt that long) that is full of intense emotions and can cause serious health issues (esp on the heart IIRC) if not administered properly or monitored properly.

The idea of being in a drug induced coma for 7 days sounds worse than the WD to be honest. No tube up my dick please. I would think that opioids would be necessary to deal with the pain of all the tubes shoved inside you when you come out it anyways.

Yeah that sounds way worse than regular WD which already puts a lot of stress on your body.

And benzo WD is awful but I wouldn't describe opioid WD as a cakewalk. It really depends on dose and duration of opioid use. If I came off my methadone dose cold turkey after a few days I wouldn't even be able to walk, let alone cakewalk