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Phenethylamines Questions about Mescaline: specifically Peruvian Torch.

somnilicious

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I was at my neighbor's house waiting for a tab to hit and checking out some of his kratom plants, when he pointed out a crazy over growing cactus and tells me that it is Peruvian Torch. My eyes lit up. He had never tripped before and was actually waiting for his first tab to hit so he doesn't know a lot about it but I have a lot of history with Psyches but only LSD and shrooms. I had always wanted to try mescaline and had actually recently started browsing around looking for a source. Needless to say, I have plans for that cactus. My only concern is that with all substances there is a wide variation in subjective experiences. Some describe it as easy and gentle, while others seem to fall into a dream trance of CEV's for hours. A lot of the reports state that they would not have been able to look sober if around others. This isn't extremely important because my family already knows I am a nut and I can avoid conversation but I don't want to be in a psychedelic coma for half the day. I enjoy LSD because it has that move around and explore push to it but mescaline sounds like something almost completely different. The purge also concerns me as I would hate to be nauseous for half the trip.

I know I didn't specifically ask a question, so to summarize.... Will I be able to walk around and explore? appear somewhat sober if I am able to on the other 2 substances? What are some noted differences between the big 3? What are peoples experiences with nausea? and if anybody has some tips for preparation for a noob.
 
It depends how much you take. I've had a light dose before and spent the day walking around the city in a very light magical state. I just felt a lot slowed down, and bit tranced out, totally functional enough to converse and be chill. It's kind of hard to eat a lot of mescaline when you're eating cacti because they don't taste great so it's pretty hard to get down a massive dose. The cool thing about eating cacti is that you can kind of tell how much you're consuming because the process is so visceral. It's hard to get in over your head by accident.

Mescaline is less sharp than than acid, more flowy, majestic, magic. It's less wild than mushrooms, and much longer lasting. It's less peaky than either drug, and more plateau-y. Its a bit calming and hypnotic for the first portion as it's coming on, and then super energizing, it builds you up again. Once you pass through the phase of actually consuming it, it's not nauseating at all I don't find. It has a tonic effect.
 
How should I consume it, 8hr boil down tea, just eat the skin, dry out pulverize and capsule? would 1f be too much?
 
Try boil it down as much as possible the taste is extremely bitter and sticks to your mouth so have some fizzy drink with a strong nice taste to try rinse your mouth out cause cactus tastes fucking foul. Mescaline is a very divine trip the only reason i haven;t done it more is cause im very bad at ingesting things that taste bad to me. Mescaline is very spiritual and some psychonauts rate it the best psychedelic of them all so good with a very nice nature view. Im not surehow much peruvian torch contains but the san pedro i did required alot of material.

Boil it as much as you can into a small shot or tea and quickly drink it all.
 
Somebody compared it somewhat to having similarities with MDA, which I have a decent amount of experience with, though I'm not expecting anything really like MDA. Does any body have any experiences with length of cut to relate? It's just the flesh you use? No? Skin and blend, lemon, boil(140?)?
 
somnilicious said:
Somebody compared it somewhat to having similarities with MDA, which I have a decent amount of experience with, though I'm not expecting anything really like MDA. Does any body have any experiences with length of cut to relate? It's just the flesh you use? No? Skin and blend?
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slice the spines off then the catci into strips and blender it into a pulp then you need quite a large saucepan or pot and bring it to boil simmer for over 4-6 hours. It will look like some sludgy type stuff. Then you filter this leftover paste through a filter stocking or whatever you use and get that liquid it will contain the mescaline You can now drink this liquid or boil it further down to reduce the volume
 
I do like he ^ does, but I don't simmer it so long. And after I filter off the solids, I put the liquid to the side, then put new water in with the solids and do it again to extract more mescaline from the pulp. Then I filter that off, and sometimes do it again. Then I combine all of the liquid and boil it down to make it more concentrated. I haven't actually tried any of this extract yet, just been hoarding it in the freezer. The times I've eaten san pedro I actually just skinned it and ate it whole. It took some mind control to get it down.

I would expect it to have some things in common with MDA, but I've never tried MDA. It has hints of MDMA, and the alkylated 2C's IMO. You can sense how mescaline is their grandaddy.
 
Lots of good advice on preparing/consuming the cactus above so won’t reiterate what has already been said. Only other option I can recommend would be taking the concentrated tea and then slowly simmering from that point to create resin balls which will avoid the taste but definitely not necessary by any stretch.

To answer the other questions you posed:
1. Unless you take a massive dose you’re going to want access to the outdoors and walking around is almost a must. Mescaline seems to awaken the inner child to a degree that the other classic psychs can’t touch. They all do to some degree but it’s very pronounced with mescaline in my experience. The only times I’ve had less than a 10/10 experience have been the times I’ve felt cooped up inside but even then it’s still magical.
2. Mescaline is very clear headed - much more so than any other psychedelic I’ve taken (and I’ve done all the classics 15+ times each). I’m not sure if you’ll be able to appear sober (mostly from the stimulating aspect) but it’s certainly easier mentally to be in public compared to other psychs.
3. It’s less analytical and pushy then LSD, not as harsh on the ego as shrooms, less intense then DMT. It has this deep, earthy, organic aspect to it that is completely magical. Time seems to slow down but not in a time dilation sense that other psychs do - it’s almost like being on a tropical island vacation in that it’s not that you lose the concept of time but rather that you just don’t care what time it is anymore. It’s a long lasting experience and where there have been times with lsd that I’ve been looking forward to it ending I’ve never felt that way with mescaline - I feel like I could stay in the experience for the rest of my life and it wouldn’t bother me a bit.
4. Nausea is definitely present especially in the beginning but I wouldn’t let that worry you at all. Once it wears off the experience is so fucking fantastic you won’t care that you had an upset stomach for awhile. Eating clean the day before has made the nausea more manageable in my experience. Peyote was the most brutal physical experience I’ve had with psychedelics but if a buddy showed up with buttons unannounced I’d drink the tea without a second thought. Mescaline is just that good 😃

Mescaline is far and away my favorite psychedelic and it’s not close. It’s a very magical, mystical, spiritual experience with a level of euphoria that has made me feel I was going to explode with happiness. To me it doesn’t resemble MDMA all that much in the sense that it is more a paradoxically intense, peaceful, deep seated contentment than wanting to go around and tell everyone that I love them like MDMA does haha. Also, in my experience, mescaline gets better the more you take. My opinion is that the lukewarm feelings people have from their mescaline experience stems from simply not taking enough. Unless I know the cactus is especially potent I don’t even bother with less than an 18” mature cutting.

If you’re really feeling frisky and have some LSD lying around, drink the tea and at the 2:30 mark drop the tabs - THAT is one hell of an experience and everyone who’s done it with me have all claimed it’s there favorite psychedelic experience ever. You really do get the best of both worlds with that combo and I’m still shocked more people haven’t tried that combo.

Long story short if you have the opportunity and the time to take it I could not encourage you anymore to take the plunge!
 
MescaliCAN said:
Lots of good advice on preparing/consuming the cactus above so won’t reiterate what has already been said. Only other option I can recommend would be taking the concentrated tea and then slowly simmering from that point to create resin balls which will avoid the taste but definitely not necessary by any stretch.

To answer the other questions you posed:
1. Unless you take a massive dose you’re going to want access to the outdoors and walking around is almost a must. Mescaline seems to awaken the inner child to a degree that the other classic psychs can’t touch. They all do to some degree but it’s very pronounced with mescaline in my experience. The only times I’ve had less than a 10/10 experience have been the times I’ve felt cooped up inside but even then it’s still magical.
2. Mescaline is very clear headed - much more so than any other psychedelic I’ve taken (and I’ve done all the classics 15+ times each). I’m not sure if you’ll be able to appear sober (mostly from the stimulating aspect) but it’s certainly easier mentally to be in public compared to other psychs.
3. It’s less analytical and pushy then LSD, not as harsh on the ego as shrooms, less intense then DMT. It has this deep, earthy, organic aspect to it that is completely magical. Time seems to slow down but not in a time dilation sense that other psychs do - it’s almost like being on a tropical island vacation in that it’s not that you lose the concept of time but rather that you just don’t care what time it is anymore. It’s a long lasting experience and where there have been times with lsd that I’ve been looking forward to it ending I’ve never felt that way with mescaline - I feel like I could stay in the experience for the rest of my life and it wouldn’t bother me a bit.
4. Nausea is definitely present especially in the beginning but I wouldn’t let that worry you at all. Once it wears off the experience is so fucking fantastic you won’t care that you had an upset stomach for awhile. Eating clean the day before has made the nausea more manageable in my experience. Peyote was the most brutal physical experience I’ve had with psychedelics but if a buddy showed up with buttons unannounced I’d drink the tea without a second thought. Mescaline is just that good 😃

Mescaline is far and away my favorite psychedelic and it’s not close. It’s a very magical, mystical, spiritual experience with a level of euphoria that has made me feel I was going to explode with happiness. To me it doesn’t resemble MDMA all that much in the sense that it is more a paradoxically intense, peaceful, deep seated contentment than wanting to go around and tell everyone that I love them like MDMA does haha. Also, in my experience, mescaline gets better the more you take. My opinion is that the lukewarm feelings people have from their mescaline experience stems from simply not taking enough. Unless I know the cactus is especially potent I don’t even bother with less than an 18” mature cutting.

If you’re really feeling frisky and have some LSD lying around, drink the tea and at the 2:30 mark drop the tabs - THAT is one hell of an experience and everyone who’s done it with me have all claimed it’s there favorite psychedelic experience ever. You really do get the best of both worlds with that combo and I’m still shocked more people haven’t tried that combo.

Long story short if you have the opportunity and the time to take it I could not encourage you anymore to take the plunge!
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You've given me a lot to think about. It looks like it might be leaning towards a dry out and capsule experience because of not wanting a mysterious boiling pot of mush on the stove for 6+ hours. Those descriptions sound right up my ally. I was considering combining it with LSD because of a fear of not getting enough out of it. 18' per person.... That is a shit ton of cactus but I am resolute on making this happen.
 
Cacti goes very well with mushrooms aswell.
Sometimes i do a lower dose of mesc and boost it with some shrooms once it gets dark outside.
Probably the best psych on psych combo.

If you are afraid you dont have enough Cacti then that is a nice plan B.
 
Cool, im also in the process of cooking up some.
I like to eat around 2feet for a good strong experience.
1foot is a bit to mild ime.
 
I love love love cactus, but it's hard to know what you're getting into beforehand with a new plant. The advice to boil it down into shots is good, as is the sugar coated tar ball approach. These days, I prefer just to toss and wash dehydrated and powdered bridgesii. That way, I can work up to the dosage I like and know the whole jar of powder will be consistent.

The nausea is bad, but I find lemon essential oil helps. Or you can just suck on lemon drop candies.

I agree with all of the above posts, except for the combos. I hear it combines well, but I've never tried it myself. It's just such a nice space that I've never wanted to risk jumbling it up, even if it turns out lighter than I like.
 
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As someone who’s forced down tea since a young lad, I’ve tried just about every thing you can think of to get rid of the taste. The best method is this, it’s a two pronged approach.

You need a bag of Fritos and some flavored drink, like juice or Gatorade.

Well before we get into that let’s go over the way to avoid nausea when brewing or making your Mescaline product.

Never blend up the cactus, always brew or extract from small slices or chunks. Never do a simple extraction with alcohols, use vinegar or dilute vinegar instead. (Takes linger to evaporate but tastes and feels better with less impurities.) If possible grow your own cacti, buy cuttings and cut off and use new growth from the tops as they grow. These new fresh growths contain the most Mescaline and give the strongest brews or extracts. Growing them yourself often is less than ideal, especially indoors with the light, and seems to produce stronger tops.

Utilize these tips to make a good brew or extract.

Now back to the method.. You want to take as big of a gulp as possible then immediately chase with some Fritos and afterwards some flavored drink to wash it down.

What people need to realize is most of the bad taste is actually fat soluble. You can drink soda or whatever all day but it barely puts a dent in it. The corn oil combined with the rough texture of the corn grabs and carries down the nasty fat soluble portion of the flavor. (This is also why you want to avoid using alcohols for extracts.)

Then the flavored drink gets the leftovers..

I drank tea for years but these days I only drink tea made from supple fresh tops, and often only light doses. I prefer reconstituted simple extract or A/B extracts, the effect is more whole with the tea but god damn I can promise you it doesn’t get easier to drink over time that’s for sure.. lol.

-GC
 
Indians might call it a religious sacrament in certain cases but last time I ate it raw I had brutal ego death on a hospital gurney surrounded by a medical team strapping wires all over my torso for a special heart machine scan i had to let go that night thought it was my last

Had a nurse administer a little undisclosed amount of a benzo after explaining they did in the metropolitan hospital ER when I was having a "bad" trip on shrooms awesome to me despite cops escorting me to the hospital their idea one had me in a headlock while they gave me the shot made me peak OOBE style melting Matrix mirror and soaring over snow capped mountain peaks no body before I came back to the room in a blissful extreme hallucinating state won't explain now might make a trip report for fun felt multiple peaks first started at a bowling alley the cops started chatting me up in
 
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Why is everyone so quick to point to boiling it down and drinking cactus snot?

Is extracting mescaline any tougher than dmt for example?
I have a link for mescaline extraction.

Check out dmtnexus
 
Bare_head said:
Why is everyone so quick to point to boiling it down and drinking cactus snot?

Is extracting mescaline any tougher than dmt for example?
I have a link for mescaline extraction.

Check out dmtnexus
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Because the effects are a lot better with tea and crude extract. Trust me if the purified alkaloids were better I woulda stopped drinking tea and eating crude after the first try lol. The tea and crude just has a much more euphoric smooth headspace, hits a bit more like an MDxx substance. When I take purified alkaloids it’s often more LSD like, a bit more chaotic too, often less euphoria, come up is always brutal as well.

I highly suggest anyone extracting alkaloids to do a vinegar/water extraction first, evaporate it off then reconstitute and use that. Makes for a lot less solvents and chemicals to get the job done, and smaller glass containers.

-GC
 
I should add quick it’s this reason I’m looking to find a way to maintain the pharmacological profile of the crude extract while getting it small enough to easily consume. I’m on the right path and may have a rough draft write up on BL this weekend.

-GC
 
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