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Lysergamides Question LSA from morning glory species

S.M.F.G

S.M.F.G

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Okay I have been looking around for morning glory vines latley I have in the past just used HBWS purchased at a head shop however I have moved to an area where these things do not exist and so walking around I'm on the lookout for accacia species with good DMT percentage and the morning glory which I have been led to believe can be found in many gardens. My main concern is the actual species that contains the most amount of LSA. I've been doing a bit of research and have an idea of the garden variety that I need however there are many different types in this family and thinking I'd hit the jackpot grabbed a shit load of seeds from a vine growing by a river I stumbled upon. However in all the information I could dig up the suggestion was that only a few species of MG contain the LSA in the quantity needed to be psychoactive. What I got was a species that seemed to have no use aside from killing bugs. So just wondering what the best species is for LSA and if there is even a small amount in the overall family? In other words could I hypatheticly get an extraction done with enough of the seeds growing wild along the river or just end up with some toxic and possibly fatal bunch of alkaloids? Mods please merge with appropriate thread if I have not looked thoroughly enough to have to start this thread.
 
Umm I am in the psycadelic drugs discussion? Nobody has any insight on my question? I am aware that the heavenly blue is the best source for LSA but what about other species like the wild growing vines you will find growing by rivers. I don't want to collect seeds that are either harmful or have alkaloids but no LSA.
 
well one thing - heavenly blue is a cultivar not a species, LSA content will vary among cultivars but I havent heard of ones that are completely inactive. The species you are looking for is ipomoea purpurea I believe though some other species of the genus ipomoea may also be active.

morning glory’s are invasive plants that spread around the world mainly by escaping gardens where they were grown for flowers so the ones you find growing wild are likely descendants of the cultivars used for ornamental purposes (and recreational). I think as long as you can be assured you have correctly identified the plant as ipomoea purpurea then you will be safe making an extract from the seed (other parts of the plant may be a different matter) regardless of the cultivar - although I think determining whether it is one of the higher yielding variants will just take trial and error
 
I use the wild white ones - they work. My property is loaded with it. I have also made batches from blues and tricolors, don’t notice a difference.
The key is fresh seeds - make your extract quickly on harvesting, or freeze the seeds in a ziplock for later processing. LSA is one of the actives, there are a few more in there. @tregar does a ton of research on this and grows their own - search their posts for an almost overwhelming volume of info. Good luck and enjoy!
 
The vine I have stumbled upon I've identified as Ipomoea cairica and I have done a lot of looking around for information about any psychoactive properties for this species and have not been able to get anything of any help other than weed control, I am aware of the 3 main types of MG for LSA extractions does anyone have any idea if this piticular species is safe to use? I can put a detailed description down if needed but basically it has purple flowers and a seed pod containing 4 seeds that are covered with white hairs. Any insights?
 
DrumTripper is a good on-line friend, we have talked together for weeks about morning glory.

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Several papers published in the 1960's (see post #40 in mycotopia link above) show claviceps paspali ergot produces not only large amounts of the stimulating LSH but also a handful of other stimulating LSD like alkaloids just like the Mexican morning glory: penniclavine, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine. As shown in post #40 in above link, these alkaloids all work together using teamwork to hit most of the same receptors LSD hits, along with 5 new ones (5 more adrenal receptors) that LSD does not even target:

Thomas S. Ray, Psychedelics and the Human Receptorome (2010):
hxxp://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0009019
Breadth of Receptor Binding, 4.00=max (off the charts), 0.00=min, X.XX=receptor is hit but we don't have strength data.

LSD: 5ht1a = 3.73, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 2.88, mescaline = 3.61, 5-meo-DMT: = 4.00 (make up >80% of brain 5-ht)
LSD: 5ht1b = 4.00, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 2.19, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.41
LSD: 5ht1d = 3.70, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.91, psilocin = 3.40, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 3.48
LSD: 5ht1e = 2.62, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.28, psilocin = 3.03, mescaline = 3.16, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.72
LSD: 5ht2a = 3.54, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 2.58, psilocin = 2.14, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.98
LSD: 5ht2b = 3.11, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.91, psilocin = 4.00, mescaline = 3.97, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.69 (sensual & entactogenic)
LSD: 5ht2c = 3.11, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.42, psilocin = 2.52, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.55
LSD: 5ht5a = 3.64, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.16, psilocin = 2.83, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.84
LSD: -5ht6 = 3.75, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 3.35, psilocin = 2.82, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.73
LSD: -5ht7 = 3.77, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 4.00, psilocin = 2.82, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 3.69 (novelty, newness)
LSD: ---D1 = 2.34, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 3.51, psilocin = 3.37, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.38
LSD: -A-2A = 2.93, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 2.75, psilocin = 1.36, mescaline = 2.92, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2a)
LSD: -A-2B = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 3.53, psilocin = 1.57, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.86 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2b)
LSD: -A-2C = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 3.53, psilocin = 1.03, mescaline = 4.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.57 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2c)
LSD: -A-2D = 0.00, LSH: = 0.00, penniclavine = X.XX, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 0.00, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2d)
LSD: -A-1A = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 0.00, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a1a)
LSD: -A-1B = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 0.00, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a1b)
LSD: -A-1D = 0.00, LSH: = X.XX, penniclavine = 0.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 0.00, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a1d)
 
A pic could prove helpful, if you have one. White hairs on the seeds is not something i’ve found yet, but that may be regional/cultivar specific.
 
S.M.F.G said:
The vine I have stumbled upon I've identified as Ipomoea cairica and I have done a lot of looking around for information about any psychoactive properties for this species and have not been able to get anything of any help other than weed control, I am aware of the 3 main types of MG for LSA extractions does anyone have any idea if this piticular species is safe to use? I can put a detailed description down if needed but basically it has purple flowers and a seed pod containing 4 seeds that are covered with white hairs. Any insights?
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DrumTripper said:
A pic could prove helpful, if you have one. White hairs on the seeds is not something i’ve found yet, but that may be regional/cultivar specific.
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Yeah the seeds I’m picking currently are smooth and black
 
I have a detailed discription and have identified the species I've found as Ipomoea cairica otherwise known as mile a minute vine just figured out how to get the pictures up ( sorry folks has been a while) so attempting now to get my picture up also worth noting that the pods contain 4 seeds per pod and look so very much like Hawaiian baby woodrose just smaller and this piticular species has a bit of white hair on the seed easily removed, I'd like to be sure that they are not highly toxic before I go collecting them again so here's the leaves and flowers noticed that these ones don't have the heat shaped leaves and little information online. Will be looking for some good pictures of the seeds themselves but for the moment this is the picture I have for what I am wishing to get an extract fromhttps://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/ipomoea_cairica.htm
Ok that didn't work as a picture however the link is correct as the stuff I have found will go now and look for a good picture of the seeds and try to get the picture up, I appreciate your patience with this
 
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ipomoeacairica15.jpg
apologies for the double post I just found out how to attach pictures and these are the seeds of the exact species I have access to readily, appreciate your bearing with me on this one folks
 
S.M.F.G. said:
I have a detailed discription and have identified the species I've found as Ipomoea cairica otherwise known as mile a minute vine just figured out how to get the pictures up ( sorry folks has been a while) so attempting now to get my picture up also worth noting that the pods contain 4 seeds per pod and look so very much like Hawaiian baby woodrose just smaller and this piticular species has a bit of white hair on the seed easily removed, I'd like to be sure that they are not highly toxic before I go collecting them again so here's the leaves and flowers noticed that these ones don't have the heat shaped leaves and little information online. Will be looking for some good pictures of the seeds themselves but for the moment this is the picture I have for what I am wishing to get an extract fromhttps://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/ipomoea_cairica.htm
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Good work S.M.F.G. The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants (931 pages long) by Christian Ratsch does not list Ipomoea cairica in the index, even though there are over 30 species of Ipomoea listed. Mile a minute vine also not listed. By the way,

It just so happens that the ancient Aztec and Mayan added the fresh or dried pulverized morning glory seeds to a drink containing alcohol, they learned this would extract all the stimulating actives from the seeds:

Page 515 "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" Christian Ratsch: "The fresh or dried morning glory seeds normally were added by the Aztec and Mayan to alcoholic drinks (sugarcane liquor; c. alcohol), tepache (maize beer, chicha), and balche' (Schultes 1941, 37)."

When prepare 300 ipomea tricolor heavenly blue seeds into 2 oz of sherry wine high in acetaldehyde, have experienced highly visual and audial trips with zero sedation, indicating there is perhaps adduction of the acetaldehyde from the sherry at the amide nitrogen (LSA adduct theoretically re-formed) reforming the stimulating LSH from any leftover sedating LSA in the seeds. I give comments from four others who also experienced no sedation when preparing seeds in alcoholic mixtures just as the Aztecs and Mayans used to do but modern done under RED LED lamp, under low light conditions. At first I was reluctant to believe that LSH could reform from LSA and acetaldehyde, but perhaps under the correct conditions, it is possible.
 
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drumtrippa was supposed to quote you here but to answer...Nah it comes off pretty easy a little bit of a rub and it's bare seed, I am more concerned that it's poisioness or something the resemblance to HBWS is startling just look like a smaller version, and there's thousands of them I have just had a hard time finding anything about this species anywhere online apart from weed control
 
Hmm, lokking into it a bit more, I found this site, which talks about look-alikes. Mile-a-minute may be something else, as they state here.
MG has heart-shaped leaves vs the triangle shape of the mile-a-minute. You are smart to have been cautious, until you can ID this sucker!
 
Update for the contributions to this thread many thanks for your inputs Tregear and drumtripper I have positively identified as both a pest and toxic... Know know of the 3 main genus and species of impoma to be on the lookout for, would be great to just grow them from seed however research suggests that it's a long time before it provides seeds in required numbers. Every time I get out of the house now I'm looking for these MG species wherever I go. Luckily I have been enlightened by a good friend that we can expect some supposedly decent blotters of my favourite after the king of hallucinogens DMT our friend LSD so the whole plant extract thing can be on hold until I get the right plant. Both of you that have posted here seem like cool and decent humans and I'm sure that we would agree on many the same things with regards to this topic. Bluelight has been the source of some of the deadliest cunts I have had the opportunity to communicate with. (Cunt is in Australia a very good compliment btw not being mean 🙂)
 
Good job doing the research and checking first! This site is amazing and there’s a ton of great folks here.

I have scored fair amounts on fences, along ditches, on berry bushes, etc.
In addition to your well-founded caution in ID’ing the species, I also think it’s good to consider herbicide usage when foraging for these lil’ beauties.
Like next to a park or farm, maybe watch out a bit - look for posted signs, foliage damage, etc. - or just avoid.

People may hate on me for saying this, but for 3 years out, just go Johnny MG-seeding and scatter a few around in good climbing spots - and on remote-ish areas of crown land. Take notes and revisit in 2-3 years. Hey, the world needs more flowers for flying things like humming birds and insects!

Cheers to you, @S.M.F.G and enjoy the tasty paperwork that’s coming (blotter)! :p
 
The ones from Thailand are pretty good and fresh. But just in case, I always follow this recipe. There is no extraction, so no loss.

1. Boil 2 cups of water.
2. Add 1 teaspoon or 5 grams of table salt to the water and stir to make saline water.
3. Let the solution cool down to lukewarm.
4. Add seeds and let them soak 20 minutes (removes about 88% pesticides).
5. Drain and separate seeds but keep the salt water.
6. Boil the salt water again. When it starts to boil. Remove from heat. Add seeds and and stir for 3 minutes (removes 99-100% of pesticides).
7. Drain and let them dry.
8. Grind seeds into a powder.
9. Add it to ice cream or yogurt and eat.
10. Chase down with a cup of OJ and 50 mg of dimenhydrinate (no nausea).
11. Suck on some peppermints, while drinking ginger or peppermint tea (no cramping)
12. Kamagra jelly or viagra to enhance the colors, plus prevents vasoconstriction.
 
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