maakshif
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Who told you that? The guy that sold it to you? Methandrostenolone doesn't react strongly with the androgen receptor but still exerts its effects through the androgen receptor in vivo. These include dramatic increases in protein synthesis, glycogenolysis, and muscle strength over a short space of time. In high doses (30 mg or more per day), side effects such as gynecomastia, high blood pressure, acne and male pattern baldness may begin to occur. The drug causes severe masculinising effects in women even at low doses. In addition, it is metabolized into methylestradiol by aromatase. This means that without the administration of aromatase inhibitors such as anastrozole or aminoglutethimide, estrogenic effects will appear over time in men. Many users will combat the estrogenic side effects with Nolvadex or Clomid. In addition, as with other 17α-alkylated steroids, the use of methandrostenolone over extended periods of time can result in liver damage without appropriate care.
The 17α-methylation of the steroid does allow it to pass through the liver with only a small portion of it broken down (hence causing the aforementioned damage to the liver) allowing it to be effetcive when taken orally. It also has the effect of decreasing the steroid's affinity for sex hormone binding globulin, a protein that de-activates steroid molecules and prevents them from further reactions with the body. As a result, methandrostenolone is significantly more active than an equivalent quantity of testosterone, resulting in rapid growth of muscle tissue. However, the concomitant elevation in estrogen levels - a result of the aromatization of methandrostenolone - results in significant water retention. This gives the appearance of great gains in mass and strength, which prove to be temporary once the steroid is discontinued and water weight drops. Because of this, it is often used by bodybuilders only at the start of a "steroid cycle", to facilitate rapid strength increases and the appearance of great size, while compounds such as testosterone or nandrolone with long acting esters build up in the body to an appreciable amount capable of supporting anabolic function on their own.
1st of all great job knowing how to use google and copy and paste, impressive 8).
2nd of all You might want to hold off on the cocky attitude when you clearly don't have any knowledge aside from how to use google and copy paste. I've been in the AAS game for well over 10 years and to this day I still do research and don't rely on stuff that is necessarily "Old School" ways of thinking like using nolva or clomid while on cycle for estrogen control. Nolva is used once signs of gyno appear and like in the article that you made in bold it says to use an Aromatase Inhibitor such as Anastrozole (Arimidex which I mentioned) or the better choice is Aromasin because it carries much less sides than Arimidex. Aromatase Inhibitors are much better at controlling estrogen than nolva or clomid while on cycle. Nolva and/or Clomid are better suited for Post Cycle Therapy (PCT), notice the "P" stands for Post meaning after the cycle is completed. When you use clomid or nolva while on cycle it is not called PCT, it is called gyno control because that is the only thing it should be used for on cycle. Using either of those on cycle for estrogen control is an "Old School" way of doing things that has been proven not to be as effective as using an AI for estrogen control.
I never said it didn't do damage to the liver, but it doesn't do significant damage like it is most times said to. Liver supplements such as NAC and r-ALA help to minimize the damage even more and then as long as the liver is not diseased it will repair itself over time which is why you need to take time off between using any oral steroid. Your article even says "...over extended periods of time can result in liver damage without appropriate care." That is why dbol, or any other oral, should not be used for more than 6 weeks and why NAC and r-ALA are recommended and significant time off before using another oral is also recommended.
Now, as for the gains that are achieved using dbol, I never said anything about doing dbol only, I am very much against anyone doing any oral only cycle, as testosterone should always be the base of any cycle. However, much of the gains from dbol are easily kept especially the strength. It isn't all water weight. Water retention (bloat) can also be easily controlled through drinking more water first of all and limiting sodium intake. Along with that if an Aromatase Inhibitor is used, water retention that might be associated with high estrogen is being dealt with.
So I ask what exactly are you arguing here, because that just reinforced my original post?
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