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http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2012/oct/29/texas_trooper_fires_fleeing_truc

A Texas Department of Public Safety trooper in a helicopter opened fire on a fleeing pick-up truck suspected of carrying a "drug load" Thursday, but the truck wasn't carrying drugs -- it was instead carrying undocumented immigrants from Guatemala, and two of them were killed in the shooting. Marco Antonio Castro and Jose Leonardo Coj Cumar become the 54th and 55th persons to die in US domestic drug law enforcement operations so far this year.

According to the San Antonio Express-News, Department of Public Safety (DPS) spokesman Tom Vinger said the incident began when Texas Parks and Wildlife game wardens attempted to pull over the truck, which they thought was hauling drugs. When the driver refused to stop, the game wardens called DPS for help.

"During the pursuit, the vehicle appeared to have a typical 'covered' drug load in the bed of the truck," Vinger said. "DPS aircraft joined the pursuit of the suspected drug load, which was traveling at reckless speeds, endangering the public. A DPS trooper discharged his firearm from the helicopter to disable the vehicle."

The truck swerved, then came to halt after a tire was punctured. No drugs were found in it, but it was carrying nine Guatemalan nationals, one of whom was wounded by gunfire in addition to the two who were killed.

Guatemalan consul in McAllen, Texas, Alba Caceres said all the men had traveled together from the city of San Martin Jilotepeque in Chimaltenango, paying $2,000 each to get to the US-Mexico border and another $3,000 to be transported to the interior US. Most were headed to New Jersey. The group had crossed the Rio Grande River Thursday morning and walked six hours through the scrub before meeting up with the pick-up truck, Caceres said.

"We need a serious and big investigation into this case because I cannot understand why DPS made the decision to shoot them," she said. "I have never seen something similar to this."

After talking with survivors, Caceres later told the Associated Press the men told her the tarp covering them in the bed of the pick-up blew off the truck during the chase, leaving them clearly visible from the air.

"These statements taken from the survivors leave me outraged," she said. "I can't conceive how a police officer fires at unarmed humans. These are people from humble origins that even at first glance do not look like hardened criminals."

Caceres wasn't alone in demanding an investigation. Terri Burke, executive director of the ACLU of Texas also joined the call.

"What we know so far raises disturbing questions," Burke said. "Why is a state game warden involved in enforcement of federal immigration law? Why is a game warden in dangerous high-speed pursuit of people who were suspected of nothing more than a civil offense? And where's the 'public safety' when a trooper in a helicopter opens fire on unarmed persons in a vehicle on a public road?"

Earlier this year, DPS Director Steve McCraw said the use of armed sharpshooters on helicopters patrolling the border region was necessary to secure the safety of law enforcement.

"That's what our aerial assets are doing, and we need to protect those aerial assets and in doing so, we put a sniper on those," he said of armed helicopter agents. "And we're really not apologetic about it. We've got an obligation to protect our men and women when we're trying to protect Texas."

According to DPS policy, lethal force is can be used when the officer or someone else is at "substantial risk of death or bodily injury." Troopers can shoot at vehicles either when deadly force is justified or when it is "for the sole purpose and intent of disabling a vehicle." When shooting at a vehicle, the policy warns, "there may be a risk of harm to occupants of the suspect vehicle who may not be involved, or involved to a lesser extent, with the actions of the suspect creating the threat."

Police use of force experts were stunned by the DPS policies. Geoffrey Alpert of the University of South Carolina, who has studied police pursuits at departments across the country said he'd "never heard of" law enforcement agencies allowing officers to shoot at vehicles from helicopters.

"There's a trend to restrict officers from shooting at vehicles at all," Alpert said. "It's not an efficient or effective policy to let officers shoot from vehicles, and certainly not from a helicopter."

Manuel Zamora of the Center for Security Studies at Angelo State University said some departments had begun training in the use of special weapons in situations where criminals could kill or injure others. If a trooper "can see someone would be fatally injured or wounded, then they would probably be justified in using deadly force," Zamora said.

But in the Thursday killing, the truck was traveling down an unpaved road surrounded by grass fields in a sparsely populated area. The only people fatally injured or wounded were those who came under fire from the as yet unnamed trooper.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2012/oct/29/texas_trooper_fires_fleeing_truc
 
yep more trigger happy cops what else is new.
 
The only thing that will delight the majority population of Texas more than a dead drug dealer is two dead immigrants.
 
Texas Trooper Cleared in Chopper Drug War Killings

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2013/sep/11/texas_trooper_cleared_chopper_dr

A Texas Department of Public Safety trooper who opened fire from a helicopter on a fleeing pickup carrying what he thought was a drug load near the US-Mexico border, killing two Guatemalan immigrants, will not face criminal charges. A grand jury in Edinburg declined Tuesday to indict him in the deaths.

Hidalgo County prosecutors had presented the case to a grand jury after the killing stirred outrage not only from the Guatemalan government, but also among people concerned about lax rules for law enforcement use of deadly force from the air.
In the October 2012 incident, Trooper Miguel Avila was aboard the Department of Public Safety (DPS) chopper as it participated in the pursuit of the pickup. DPS said Avila believed the truck, whose bed was covered with a cloth, was carrying drugs, and that he opened fire to disable it because the fleeing vehicle was headed toward a school zone. (The shooting took place on an unpaved rural road.)

The truck crashed after being fired upon. Police found no drugs, but instead found nine Guatemalan immigrants and a teenage driver. Six of the Guatemalans were in the bed of the pickup covered by a cloth. Two of them, Marco Antonio Castro and Jose Leonardo Coj Cumar, were fatally wounded by Avila's gunfire.

While the two men's killer escaped criminal charges, the killing did force DPS to revise its policies on the use of force from the sky. Since February, troopers have been prohibited from shooting from the sky unless they are facing deadly force.

"A firearms discharge from an aircraft is authorized only when an officer reasonably believes that the suspect has used or is about to use deadly force by use of a deadly weapon against the air crew, ground officers or innocent third parties," the revised policy says. Reckless or aggressive driving doesn't count as use of a deadly weapon, the policy states.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2013/sep/11/texas_trooper_cleared_chopper_dr
 
incident began when Texas Parks and Wildlife game wardens attempted to pull over the truck, which they thought was hauling drugs.
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Why are game wardens looking for drugs instead of poachers?
 
Since when are cops allowed to shoot at people from helicopters.. wtf.. I mean really wtf. "troopers have been prohibited from shooting from the sky unless they are facing deadly force." no kidding wonder who made this leap of intelligence.
 
How the fuck are you allowed to fire from a helicopter to "disable" a veeeeehicle??? Stupid stupid cunts. Going that fast both the veeehicle and the HelIcoptAl... silly
 
Someone's been watching too much television. Snipers in helicoptors? Time to pass out Darwin awards.
 
'' Cops dont kill innocent people''..... yeah.
you're absolutely right.. you, I, and the cops know that those people just die on their own.. and proudly in the name of a war that hasn't been successful on any front.. ever.
 
Yes, just another over zealous cop killing folks, but doesn't it seem like it is become like a weekly thing? And of course what makes it even worse its I can't remember a single one recently that has actually faced any criminal charges for any of them. And isn't it alway just hilarious that the police story differs so much from even un biased bystanders' stories yet they always go with the police version for the record?

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Right after I posted this my son came home and was telling me about a close call he had tonight where he was afraid he was going to be shot, unarmed, by police. He was doing nothing wrong and was actaully in the parking lot of his place of employment. I think I will post in 2nd opinion later tonight the story as I am extremely upset and terrified over this incident.

See, I have good reason. I live in Albuquerque, NM which has one of the highest rates of police shootings of civilians in the country. Not too long ago, the Department of Justice actually came in to investigate because there was so many incidences of not just deadly shootings, but police brutality in general. These shootings are frequently while suspects are in handcuffs or shot in the back while fleeing. There have videos posted of cops doing a "belly bump" celebratory dance after beating the hell out of suspects that are cuffed. One detective had posted on his facebook acct after shooting and killing someone that his occupation is "human waste disposal".it has also come up recently that cops here are actually paid an extra "bonus/stipend" when they are involved in a shooting (not sure what else to call it).

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/03/24/us/albuquerque-mayor-fights-police-union-pay-for-shootings.html?redir_esc=&client=ms-android-verizon&source=android-browser-type&v=133247963,133247963&qsubts=1379134437554&q=albuquerque%20police%20shootings%20civilians&

"...a police union practice of paying officers involved in fatal shootings as much as $500 —a program that critics have compared to a bounty system that promotes and legitimizes brutality."
 
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incident began when Texas Parks and Wildlife game wardens attempted to pull over the truck, which they thought was hauling drugs.
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Why are game wardens looking for drugs instead of poachers?
Only in TX :\
Since when are cops allowed to shoot at people from helicopters.. wtf.. I mean really wtf. "troopers have been prohibited from shooting from the sky unless they are facing deadly force." no kidding wonder who made this leap of intelligence.

In TX the DPS (State highway patrol) is legally allowed to shoot at tires to stop a chase.
How the fuck are you allowed to fire from a helicopter to "disable" a veeeeehicle??? Stupid stupid cunts. Going that fast both the veeehicle and the HelIcoptAl... silly
yep
 
Guns dont kill people....cops kill people. Sounds like more trigger happy fucks wondering who could make the best shots on the truck from the helicoptor with their ar15. Fucking scumbags.
 
In the War on Drugs (TM), we actually are fighting the drugs themselves.
We burn them, shoot them, or otherwise destroy them!
Even if it means a bit of collateral damage to those who were taking profits from the pharm industry...
heck, that is not so bad, pretty good even,
All Hail the War on Drugs!
 
It seems like good solid police work to shoot at a vehicle from a helicopter at someone who is suspected of a crime. Way to win the war on drugs.

Shoot first and ask questions later, even if there is no threat to the officers life. Besides who knows maybe the guy might have had a gun a would have been able to shoot the helicopter down while driving.

I mean anyone who is suspected of a crime is probably guilty and every criminal deserves to die, even if they are not convicted of a crime. Anyone with them too. Guilt and death by association. Nice.

I sure feel extremely safe knowing that this officer is still on the force. I am sure there is no way that shooting a vehicle from a helicopter couldn't take innocent lives as long as its a cop that's doing the shooting.

Its not like he could hit one of the passengers or possibly the driver or another car and cause a fuckload of collateral damage. I am sure those people had it coming.

That cop handled the suspect like Judge Dredd would. When does this guy get his medal? Maybe he should get a lifetime of free doughnuts as well.
 
Sorry, medal awarded.. we should award these medals regularly here.

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incident began when Texas Parks and Wildlife game wardens attempted to pull over the truck, which they thought was hauling drugs.
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Why are game wardens looking for drugs instead of poachers?

Texas game wardens have more power than any other law enforcement entities in the state. They can search private residences without warrants.



Welcome to Texas. Now go home.
 
game wardens can do that in many states.. they can also go on private property.

I'm sure the people would like to go home.. to bad their dead.
 
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