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PLeASE HELP with NALXONE IV PLEASE

Rio Fantastic

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PLEAse PLEEEEASE HERLP

MY FRIEND HAS OCVERDOSED OIN HEROIN MY BUDD YCARRIES NALXOONE vials BUT NEITHER OF US KNOW HOW TO IV PRPERLy PLEASE HELP NOW PLEASE

AMBULANC E IS ON THE WAY7 BUT WE DONT KNOW HWO TO IUV PROPERLY PLEASE WE JUUST NEED TO GET THIS INHGIM RIGHT NOW
 
If you cant IV try SQ. Its easy. Pinch the back of his arm, insert at 45 degree angle with hopefully a 5/8 inch needle and give 0.8mg. Its better than nothing and may be just as good as IV. But hopefully the ambulance got there. Let us know. Please note this isnt medical advice just trying to help.
 
If you cant IV try SQ. Its easy. Pinch the back of his arm, insert at 45 degree angle with hopefully a 5/8 inch needle and give 0.8mg. Its better than nothing and may be just as good as IV. But hopefully the ambulance got there. Let us know. Please note this isnt medical advice just trying to help.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? plEAse THIS IS an URGENT SITUATION AND NOPT THE TIME FOR CODES WHATS AN SQ
 
If you cant IV try SQ. Its easy. Pinch the back of his arm, insert at 45 degree angle with hopefully a 5/8 inch needle and give 0.8mg. Its better than nothing and may be just as good as IV. But hopefully the ambulance got there. Let us know. Please note this isnt medical advice just trying to help.

We tried it your way. I don't know if it was done right, since all that happened was a really large but flat lump appearing over his skin that looked a litte inflamed. We put one his bicep as well since that was suggested in the other thread. Thankfully the ambulance (fucking finally) showed up a couple of minutes ago and revived him in there. My other friend went with him in the ambulance and left me at our flat to clear everything away, as neither of us know if the police are going to show up.

Firstly I do want to thank you for trying to help, since that is more than the vast majority of people did. You're in fact one of only two people in about half an hour that even bothered to do that, so for that I thank you. However, can I just say that firstly it was a bit ridiculous of you to use an acronym in your post. It should be completely obvious from my post that I am totally unfamiliar with injection procedures - I don't know if you thought I was lying or what, but I think it was made pretty crystal clear. I would have thought in a situation that is literally life or death then you would have realized that it was a completely inappropriate time to use an esoteric acronym. The situation already was that me and a friend were having to learn a completely unfamiliar procedure under extremely stressful circumstances, and you thought it was a good time to subtly show off how clued-up you are? That is the only conceivable reason you could have for using the term "SQ". It was totally unwarranted. Had you of replied in a timely fashion to my instant follow-up post, maybe I'd believe that you're just a caring person, who had the kindness and decency to just help out a stranger on the internet and prevent the death of someone you don't know, and because of this kindness you were just trying to reply as fast as possible, so you included an acronym to save time. This is totally disproved though by the fact that you didn't bother to reply again, despite my pleading. I guess maybe you didn't like the tone of me begging you to elaborate and save my friend's life. But no, I guess bragging & showing off how clever and knowledgeable you are ("look at me everyone! I know so much about drugs that not only do I find injecting easy, I don't even use the full term for it!!)

but again thanks for at least posting something. even if it was just an excuse to display your intellect its still more than most.
 
Sorry. Time was of the essence and I was at work still trying to help. Hope he is alright.

Nothing of my intellect either. Again hope he is ok. Let us know.
 
Sorry. Time was of the essence and I was at work still trying to help. Hope he is alright.

Nothing of my intellect either. Again hope he is ok. Let us know.
Hey you did a good thing trying to help out. That guy has a lot of fucking nerve to insult you for helping out. He wants to sound so intelligent and sophisticated then he should be smart enough to learn about the injecting procedures for nalxone before they fuck around with H. I am sure he is stressed out or whatever but that was bullshit to insult and judge someone that was offering assistance. Anyways I hope that shit doesn't bother you and keep on the way you are.
 
Im fine. Rio I am sure is still frazzled as most of us would be and is just venting. I thought I explained the procedure in brief enough detail that SQ's meaning wasnt relevant other than it was something different than IV. I thought his buddy was dying and even spelling out subcutaneously meant seconds I had no idea if the guy had.

To Rio, Im sorry man. I am a pharmacist and sometimes tend to forget others dont have the knowledge of what I consider second nature but I really was only trying to help and quickly. I did reply in another thread but you had a bunch and didnt think it matter which one I posted in. I literally was responding in between handling stuff at work after I first saw your post as I was glancing at BL on a bathroom break.

But go deal with your friend and hopefully not the police. Now isnt the time to discuss the merits of emergency harm reduction when some serious shit just went down. We will be here tomorrow, go console/help/check on your mate. Im sure a friendly face will be good for him.
 
Im fine. Rio I am sure is still frazzled as most of us would be and is just venting. I thought I explained the procedure in brief enough detail that SQ's meaning wasnt relevant other than it was something different than IV. I thought his buddy was dying and even spelling out subcutaneously meant seconds I had no idea if the guy had.

To Rio, Im sorry man. I am a pharmacist and sometimes tend to forget others dont have the knowledge of what I consider second nature but I really was only trying to help and quickly. I did reply in another thread but you had a bunch and didnt think it matter which one I posted in. I literally was responding in between handling stuff at work after I first saw your post as I was glancing at BL on a bathroom break.

But go deal with your friend and hopefully not the police. Now isnt the time to discuss the merits of emergency harm reduction when some serious shit just went down. We will be here tomorrow, go console/help/check on your mate. Im sure a friendly face will be good for him.

I overreacted. I'm sorry. I thought you didn't reply to my follow-up question because you'd taken offence at my tone, so despite having all the knowledge you thought you'd purposely withhold it and let my friend die to teach me a lesson. I was perhaps too hasty to cast judgement, after all, you did try to help, which is much more than the vast majority of people did, and I really do appreciate that, a lot. I hope you accept my apology. Since you're a pharmacist, maybe you can shed some light on something for me, if you don't mind?

I'm getting a ride to the hospital with his sister in an hour or so, haven't got the cash for a taxi and buses aren't running yet so I stayed back to get rid of the drugs in case the police come, but my friend is telling me that Dave has yet to be seen by a doctor, and he's a little worried that with the naloxone that we gave him plus what they gave him in the ambulance something has gone wrong. Apparently Dave keeps going through this weird cycle where he starts getting REALLY agitated and trying to get up and get out, saying that he's really really sick, and my friend says that he "looks fucked" and that hes "ratting like a motherfucker", but then he'll suddenly start nodding and pass out again, at which point my friend alerts the nurse who shoots him up with naloxone again. What's going on here? I know you've already helped me out tonight and I didn't give you the nicest reaction, for which I am truly sorry, but I hope you can find it in you to shed some light on wtf is happening here, cos its a little worrying/confusing.

Hey you did a good thing trying to help out. That guy has a lot of fucking nerve to insult you for helping out. He wants to sound so intelligent and sophisticated then he should be smart enough to learn about the injecting procedures for nalxone before they fuck around with H. I am sure he is stressed out or whatever but that was bullshit to insult and judge someone that was offering assistance. Anyways I hope that shit doesn't bother you and keep on the way you are.

Hey man, fuck you. If you have something to say you could at least address it to me rather than just talking about me like a fucking coward. How the fuck did I "try to sound intelligent and sophisticated"!? My thread was a rushed, frantic, panicked mess, it had a bunch of typos and was written entirely in caps. I was losing my fucking shit, the furthest thing from my mind was trying to sound sophisticated I also addressed this in another thread after the fact:

One of my mistakes was not elaborating on this in the OP posts of the threads, but as I'm sure was apparent I was very frantic and rushed and just wanted to post them as fast as possible. That post, like this one, was made using a tablet using an unsecured wi-fi that we "borrow" from a primary school opposite our flat. It has the advantage of being fast, a surprisingly strong signal that we can connect to 24/7 outside of school holidays (its even available at weekends and evenings! we are very lucky that their IT guy is a bit of a moron) and of course, free, but unfortunately it means we have to abide by an internet filter. Bizarrely, this forum isn't caught by it, but 420chan (and indeed all of the chans) are (also bizarrely it catches most porn sites but not assoass.com or xnxx.com, I have no idea why) but any google search with the words "Inject", "naloxone" or "needle" were getting caught. Didn't really have time to figure out how to bypass the filter, so I posted here instead, thinking it was the next best thing

It's also incredible how you didn't think to try and help when somebody was literally dying in front of me, but you were here to console another stranger for a mild verbal reprimand. Also good job on the reading comprehension, if you'd even bothered to read the fucking 2 lines I posted in the OP you'd know that I'm not familiar with IV procedures, because I don't even do heroin anymore at all, let alone inject it. I'll try and make sure I'm being lovely and mild-mannered next time my friend has nearly died in my fucking arms you prick.
 
Naloxone works quickly but also lasts a really short time. He is basically being thrown into withdrawal which explains the agitation and sick feeling. Depending on what and how much he took, there could be sufficient amount left in his system to him nod out again once the naloxone wears off, which requires repeat doses or even a continuous infusion. I imagine they must be monitoring his vitals, so as long as they arent so out of range and they can respond quickly if anything happens, he should be in much less danger. That agitation from precipitated withdrawal could make one feel really unpleasant, even aggressive so hopefully whoever is with him can calm him enough to let the staff evaluate him.

Hope everything works out. I got a bit heated in another thread but deleted it. Im sorry for that if you saw it.
 
And next time you'll know to inject into a muscle! Right Rio? ;)

j/k cause hopefully there won't be a next time! I can dream, can't I?

I like your choice of words Kittycat, using "unpleasant," if qualified by "really," to describe what it feels like to get woken up from an OD in full blown acute withdrawals. I'd describe it as really really really unpleasant :D

But then who would enjoy going from the expectation of a really nice nod to feeling like you started kicking a day ago...
 
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Naloxone works quickly but also lasts a really short time. He is basically being thrown into withdrawal which explains the agitation and sick feeling. Depending on what and how much he took, there could be sufficient amount left in his system to him nod out again once the naloxone wears off, which requires repeat doses or even a continuous infusion. I imagine they must be monitoring his vitals, so as long as they arent so out of range and they can respond quickly if anything happens, he should be in much less danger. That agitation from precipitated withdrawal could make one feel really unpleasant, even aggressive so hopefully whoever is with him can calm him enough to let the staff evaluate him.

Hope everything works out. I got a bit heated in another thread but deleted it. Im sorry for that if you saw it.

Ahh, I see, thank you very much for elaborating. We were a little concerned about it, but now you've elaborated, it sounds like everything will be fine. Does this mean I should respond to his request to take him in some more heroin to "make use of this sick IV line"? :p just kidding, he did ask my friend to ask me, but obviously I'm not going to take it in, no matter how much he begs! Also I didn't see it, but now I really want to :p I was only getting angry with you because I was really stressed about the whole situation and even after he was bought around, I'd been so tense and agitated and worried for the half hour or so before the ambulance came that it didn't all dissipate and be replaced by relief as fast as I'd have liked, so I ended up just taking it out on you, and for that I really apologize. You didn't deserve that, and I'm sorry. You should restore the post, I'm sure it wasn't anything less than what I deserved, I was a real dick to you and you were only trying to help, and I do honestly feel pretty bad about it. Thanks again for answering my question.
 
And next time you'll know to inject into a muscle! Right Rio? ;)

j/k cause hopefully there won't be a next time! I can dream, can't I?

I like your choice of words Kittycat, using "unpleasant," if qualified by "really," to describe what it feels like to get woken up from an OD in full blown acute withdrawals. I'd describe it as really really really unpleasant :D

But then who would enjoy going from the expectation of a really nice nod to feeling like you started kicking a day ago...

You're right, that must be pretty awful! So I'm guessing you've personally gone over and had to be bought around?

& hahaha, don't worry, it definitely will be the last time that I let people shoot up in my flat, that's for fucking sure!
 
LOL, I may or may not have been told just the same thing before, "You may NOT shoot up in my fucking flat again!"

Unfortunely I have had the pleasure myself of being revived with naloxone, and more than once. I've also heard it described as feeling like some kind of cross between getting kicked in the balls and having salt poured into an open wound. Some truth to that too. But it's so much better to be alive in pain than dead in the ground. To my credit, it's been quite a while now, and I don't plan on putting myself in that kind of situation any time in the foreseeable future.

Actually though, in some ways, your friend who OD'd tonight may actually be safer shooting up in your place (assuming he brings naloxone with him again). One the one hand, you know will have pretty much learned what to do and, on the other, we are much safer ODing with someone who won't be using potent IV opioids with us nearby. Not saying you have any obligation to let anyone shoot up at your pad, hell I don't think I'd be cool with anyone I know shooting up with at my place (although I don't really know anyone shooting up anymore) either. Avoid so many hassles.

Anyways, again I hope your buddy pulls through. And for the record, as he's in the hospital now, he'll be fine. I can sleep with a clean conscious :)

And on that note, goodnight my friends.
 
People (like they have in EADD) are telling you what is the truth. You choose to use Heroin maybe not anymore but you did, you have friends who IV, you are a member of a Harm Reduction forum. And you haven't bothered to learn where to stick a pin of Naloxone?

You also seem to have made the presumption everybody should have been online to reply to you. And have then been a twat to those who did reply. Tell me, would you have blamed the people on this forum if your friend did die, for not replying in time, or yourself for being an ignorant fool to be around hard drugs without a clue to address the situation if it goes wrong? :\
 
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Toothpastedog, yeah unpleasant was a rather mild description of being revived with naloxone. I know someone who had the pleasure of getting naloxone and flumazenil at the same time. It is best described as being punched in the face, having a bucket of ice water thrown on you, being kicked in the balls, then being possessed by the demon of easily-to-be-annoyed to the point of aggression.



And by someone, I mean me.
 
IM into a thick muscle like the thigh, buttocks, shoulder
 
Totally agree if you don't know how to administer naloxone you shouldn't be fucking with H besides they usually find veins why not in an emergency like dat. I know you get the nasal spray too maybe you should stock up on that. That being said sorry bout your friends od
 
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