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assclass

assclass

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My local community is suffering from a lack of health care resources (shutting down ER at times) due to a lack of staff/funding and also a drug crisis.

The illegal drug users are causing spikes in usage of healthcare and emergency services.

Which then makes those services unavailable to others, because addicts need to get high.

So what if we just stop sending the ambulance to every overdose call unless they have overdose insurance.

OD insurance can be earned by volunteering at a food bank, cleaning up needles in the parks, and other works to aid the community.


Thoughts?
 
assclass said:
my pet peeve is being wrong.
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Yeah youre opinion is wrong

it’s judging who should live or die by them using drugs

this “overdose insurance“ is an issue in itself it would be like waving a giant flag that you use drugs and could affect your employment and possibly make your car insurance go up and make you ineligible for life insurance and a million other things that I’m not even going to touch on because I’m going to focus on one; point personal responsibility and medical conditions

its do no harm right? the medical profession is supposed to treat everyone the same regardless of their lifestyle and life choices the opposite of what you are proposing

often the people who have raging drug addictions don’t have it together enough to meet your standards to qualify for care and I’m sure you must realize that. Or not..why are you on a harm reduction board when you harbor what appears to be disdain for recreational drug users and addicts?

Consider this

a lot of health conditions have some elements personal responsibility you are just singling out drug addiction because it’s socially acceptable to do so

if someone has a heart attack but ate unhealthy and didn’t exercise even when their dr told them too, didn’t take their medications properly and kept gaining weight

someone who has cancer and they smoked their whole life

someone who has type 2 diabetes and had an addiction to sweets and fast food and couldn’t stop eating even after the dr warned them that they were pre-diabetic and that there was time to stop themselves from getting diabetes but they didn’t

why are those people more worthy of getting care then an addict? all of those people above are addicted the difference is they are addicted to only socially acceptable things
 
assclass said:
I don't, but I'm not into antisocial behavior being accepted and championed by Marxist activists.
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Marx has bugger all to do with it and if you knew anything of his ideas, you'd know he didn't advocate anti-social behaviour. Maybe you're thinking of anarchists...?


Anyway, I do believe you should give back in some form, or pay extra for any emergency treatment you receive that's necessitated by nothing but your own choices and actions (that doesn't just go for drug users). However I do NOT think that anything should be made a pre-requisite for receiving such care in the first place. This in my opinion is morally wrong.

Doctors swear an oath to preserve life. Their job is to assist anyone needing their aid regardless of circumstances.

That's not to say judgement calls don't have to be made sometimes. If I only have one ambulance to send out and it's a choice between some guy hellbent on self - destruction who carelessly overdosed for the third time in as many days, and someone who's been hit by a car, I'd go for the road accident victim. On the other hand I'd also revive the same junkie for the nth time if I had to, because a human life is a human life. Plus many people on the street are in no fit state to make responsible choices or even act in their own self-interest because of untreated mental illness. They need psychiatric help.
 
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This got savage real fast. I understand where you're coming from but you're idea is pretty damn dystopian. Why deny people just because they didn't put in an hour of community service? What if they previously volunteered 20 hours of there time in a week but just not at places offering "OD insurance?"

I believe the problem lies in the poor funding of healthcare. If you live in a country with state sponsored healthcare then why is the state not putting more funds into it? And if you live in the US... we don't even need to go into how fucked healthcare is
 
Let’s keep this civil please. I don’t want to have to close it and it is interesting. When I have a minute I’m going to post something.
 
Interesting that the chief "other" to blame for all your problems was...
1. "Communists" in the 60's and 70's
2. Replaced by "terrorists" in the 80's when the Soviet Union fell
and
3. Back to "communists" (or socialists) now that the biggest terrorists are domestic and Russia is fascist and considered by some to be kinda cool.
 
falsifiedhypothesi said:
This got savage real fast. I understand where you're coming from but you're idea is pretty damn dystopian. Why deny people just because they didn't put in an hour of community service? What if they previously volunteered 20 hours of there time in a week but just not at places offering "OD insurance?"

I believe the problem lies in the poor funding of healthcare. If you live in a country with state sponsored healthcare then why is the state not putting more funds into it? And if you live in the US... we don't even need to go into how fucked healthcare is
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it seems dystopian to me that we save addicts while letting innocent people suffer and die because the limited resources were taken by people who do not contribute to society.

yes, its a lack of funding, but also a prioritization of the available funding that is NOT RIGHT.

When the Titanic was sinking, we didn't reserve the life rafts for criminal addicts and let the women and children drown.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
Marx has bugger all to do with it and if you knew anything of his ideas, you'd know he didn't advocate anti-social behaviour. Maybe you're thinking of anarchists...?
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marxist activists employ tactics to destroy society because capitalist society is so great the proletariat will not join the (marxist) cause to rebel against capitalism and create a socialist revolition and a communist utopia.


If you knew about his ideas, you would know these facts and that his ideas have mutated (Mao).

"Now the question is put somewhat differently: the transition from capitalist society--which is developing towards communism--to communist society is impossible without a "political transition period", and the state in this period can only be the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat."
- https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm

I can't remember who wrote/said it, but from the New Discourses podcast, perhaps it was Giroux... but someone said essentially, that capitalism provides to much material abundance and a good life for the proles to fight for a socialist revolution, thus capitalism must be destroyed. which is why climate change, trans/gay, etc are promoted, to divided and conquer our society.
 
assclass said:
which is why climate change, trans/gay, etc are promoted, to divided and conquer our society.
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If climate change turns out to be the level of catastrophe some scientists predict, will you and other climate change deniers sign a pact to offer yourself up as food so the rest of us can survive?

I call that the Soylent Green New Deal.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
Maybe you're thinking of anarchists...?
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Hey, we don’t advocate antisocial behaviour either!
Only the ancaps do that, and they’re just fascists who have rich parents and smoked too much weed one time.
 
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how do ancaps exist without shooting themselves in the foot accidently every morning?

edit: fuck i'm a tool
 
I think that everybody deserves help when their life is at risk, drug users included. What drug users need if you want to reduce overdoses is trauma therapy and more support, not less.

Our municipal resources are far more overallocated to police departments (heavily militarized and taking up 50-70%+ of the budgets of most North American cities) than anything if something should be on the chopping block here.
 
arrall said:
I think that everybody deserves help when their life is at risk, drug users included.
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I agree. Everyone deserves help, but everyone must also contribute. I'm not saying you need to be rich and pay an expensive insurance fee to have the right of life saving help. I'm stating you must give back to the society that will save your life.


Society cannot function if a minority is allowed to take without giving back to society.

I don't get to shit in the cities drinking water supply, and then demand others provide me with clean water when I am thirsty.
 
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