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Opioids and stomach pain

angel8

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I take Tramadol and Oxycodone for a server nerve disorder in my jaw. Tramdol in the morning and Oxycodone at night. I think it's uncommon to have a doctor prescribe both in this day and age of opioid incrimination. But I don't abuse and they are the only thing that helps me. 2 Tramadol max a day and 2 Oxycodone max a day. Often just one of each. My question is, can these either on their own or together cause stomach pain? I'm afraid to ask my doctor because I don't want him to stop prescribing. But I'm dealing with stomach issues. If these drugs are the cause, I may need to taper off but don't want to if it's not the case since they are so helpful for my jaw issue. Thanks in advance for any input!
 
Are you having regular bowel movements? One of the main side effects of opioids is constipation, which causes stomach pain (obviously).
Yes I do. I took great care to research what I could do to avoid constipation and so I take magnesium, aloe vera juice and probiotics and that helps keep things normal in that regard.
 
I used to get sharp pains when taking tramadol but i was eating a lot more than 2 at a time. What about taking them on an empty stomach?
 
I used to get sharp pains when taking tramadol but i was eating a lot more than 2 at a time. What about taking them on an empty stomach?
I always take on an empty stomach because I find that I can stop the nerve pain from happening if I take one right when I wake up. But I'm never hungry first thing in the morning. Maybe I'll start having a little almond milk when I take it just to coat my stomach.
 
Do the pills you're taking contain acetaminophen? If so, how much? Are you taking acetaminophen in addition to your Rx meds?

I've had sharp pains in my lower left abdomen that seem to be related to acetaminophen intake...
 
Pain in the gut is a complaint that could definitely imply several different conditions. If we are talking about Opioids as the cause, the most glaring possibility would be something related to your slower bowel motility.

It sounds like that is not the case here, but constipation is something you should always consider as a chronic Opioid-patient.

The idea that perhaps APAP is causing this pain totally makes sense. APAP is pretty rough on the digestive tract.

At any rate, I wouldn't, right out of the gate, assume Opioids as the culprit for sharp pains in the stomach. You should be able to discuss this with your doctor without extreme worry. The revocation of your Opioid regimen wouldn't be a likely outcome.
 
I didn't think of that... acetaminophen (paracetamol in Europe, same drug, different name) is hard on your liver. In fact using too much for extended periods of time causes quite a lot of deaths worldwide. The maximum safe dosage per day is 4 grams but I wouldn't even take 2 grams a day for any length of time. Many opioid pain pills contain anywhere from 325mg to 500mg of it, each. So if you're taking 4 pills per day, that's already about the maximum amount you should take. Many people end up with serious liver comnplications from abusing opioid pain pills, and it's not the opioids, but the acetaminophen.

The solution, if this is the case, is to do a cold water extraction instead of just popping them. It's very easy, just dissolve your pills in a glass of cold water, and stir it up for a few minutes. Then let the particles settle on the bottom. The opioids dissolve in the water, while the acetaminophen does not, and it is what settles to the bottom. Once it's settled, drink the liquid, and discard the stuff at the bottom. You can put it through a coffee filter or something if you want to make sure to get every bit.
 
Do the pills you're taking contain acetaminophen? If so, how much? Are you taking acetaminophen in addition to your Rx meds?

I've had sharp pains in my lower left abdomen that seem to be related to acetaminophen intake...
They do contain acetaminophen. It's hard to know how much. Just the regular amount they add to pills. But I don't take any in addition to that. No Tylonol or anything. Sometimes Advil, but rarely.
 
Stomach ulcer.
I was worried about that. I had an ultrasound and nothing showed, but I think I may have to actually have a scope. I've only been on these meds since January. Think an ulcer could develop that quickly?
 
Pain in the gut is a complaint that could definitely imply several different conditions. If we are talking about Opioids as the cause, the most glaring possibility would be something related to your slower bowel motility.

It sounds like that is not the case here, but constipation is something you should always consider as a chronic Opioid-patient.

The idea that perhaps APAP is causing this pain totally makes sense. APAP is pretty rough on the digestive tract.

At any rate, I wouldn't, right out of the gate, assume Opioids as the culprit for sharp pains in the stomach. You should be able to discuss this with your doctor without extreme worry. The revocation of your Opioid regimen wouldn't be a likely outcome.
Thank you. Yes, I have spoken to my other doctor who doesn't prescribe the opioids. I had an ultrasound and saw a GI specialist. I really don't want to go under for a scope procedure! I should note, that I took a medication called Cymbalta ONCE and this is when all the stomach issues started. But it was literally one time and it's been six weeks. Hard to believe it could still be that. But six hours after I took it, I had to run to the bathroom and then pain and issues ever since. All the doctors assisting with that have said the opioids shouldn't be causing this. But then, no one knows why either. Any insight? Cymbalta is an antidepressant prescribed for never pain. But Tramadol also has an antidepressant in it. So bad combo and not sure why neurologist approved me doing both at the same time.
 
I didn't think of that... acetaminophen (paracetamol in Europe, same drug, different name) is hard on your liver. In fact using too much for extended periods of time causes quite a lot of deaths worldwide. The maximum safe dosage per day is 4 grams but I wouldn't even take 2 grams a day for any length of time. Many opioid pain pills contain anywhere from 325mg to 500mg of it, each. So if you're taking 4 pills per day, that's already about the maximum amount you should take. Many people end up with serious liver comnplications from abusing opioid pain pills, and it's not the opioids, but the acetaminophen.

The solution, if this is the case, is to do a cold water extraction instead of just popping them. It's very easy, just dissolve your pills in a glass of cold water, and stir it up for a few minutes. Then let the particles settle on the bottom. The opioids dissolve in the water, while the acetaminophen does not, and it is what settles to the bottom. Once it's settled, drink the liquid, and discard the stuff at the bottom. You can put it through a coffee filter or something if you want to make sure to get every bit.
That's fantastic advice! I'm going to google the heck out of that and see if I can find some videos and whatnot and then try this! I really don't like taking the acetaminophen and have also heard how detrimental it can be. I take between 2-4 pills daily, so while not abusing, it's still at the upper limits of acetaminophen like you mentioned. Thanks again!!
 
I was worried about that. I had an ultrasound and nothing showed, but I think I may have to actually have a scope. I've only been on these meds since January. Think an ulcer could develop that quickly?
Maybe, I used to take a shit load of aspirin in the past. I have been living with abdominal pain for years, went for a scope - nothing. Went for x Ray, ultrasound and blood tests, nothing. Went for a CT scan, nothing. Doc said that I have irritable bowel syndrome. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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Tramadol has never given me a stomach pain but it did make me nauseous with puking included at first when I had no tolerance.
I think it's pretty weird that you have been prescribed tramadol and oxycodone together and possibly that's the cause.
 
Sharp pain. Not nauseous at all. Almost like a knife like pain, if that makes sense?
I think I might know exactly what you’re talking about. It’s a burning, sharp sensation? Certainly this could be a number of things but start to pay attention to whether you are feeling it when you haven’t taken the opioids in a while. I think it may be a physical withdrawal symptom. Now before I continue, let me preface this by saying I am only suggesting this bc your inquiry is EXACTLY how I would describe my initial experiences with physical withdrawal from pain medication. Prior to this, I was naive and didn’t even consider that the medication designed to relieve my pain might have become the reason for why I was feeling pain. But since you are on this site and eluded to this, it sounds like you have already considered this very well could be the case. If not, fantastic! Cross it off your list. But if so then I suggest you take my advice very seriously.
Okay now that we got that out of the way:
Here’s my 2 cents. Well I’ll give you 3 cents bc I know this won’t be too short😂 But it may be a game changer so read through.
Withdrawal presents itself in a number of different ways. Lower back pain, hunger pains, restlessness, etc.
But for some, me included, it caused this really sharp pain in my stomach. Not always tho. In fact, it had never happened this way until months into me recognizing I was seeking pain meds and feeling like shit when I didn’t get them.
But then this symptom started playing a role. It was impossible to ignore. It tended to be most evident at night and would wake me up out of my sleep. The more I tried to ease it, the more it seemed to grow. Starting like a hunger pain and progressing to a burning, sharp pain.
In fact, one time it grew into the most immense pain I’ve ever felt. It was truly unbearable. I was writhing in pain bc at the time, I didn’t know how to manage it. And the ER couldn’t fix it bc they were trying to diagnose it as a stomach problem. I even told them that I had become addicted to pain meds. They might have given me meds right there but I didn’t want that. I wanted a solution for when I didn’t have pain meds. But nothing they gave me worked.
It was so bad I broke down that day and admitted the addiction to everyone and was taken to a detox unit that day. It was a HUGE relief bc the weight of the whole experience was finally over. Now I was working towards a solution and given proper help. This is where the symptom was finally diagnosed correctly. It was explained to me and I was taught how to manage it.
In a nutshell, it was withdrawal exasperated by anxiety. First I’d go into withdrawal. Then, knowing I didn’t have the ability to get meds anytime soon, I would subconsciously become anxious. I’d take Tylenol PM to help me get back to sleep. This likely made things worse bc of the APAP. So, the pain would get worse. Which would cause me to grow more anxious. The anxiety was like gasoline on a fire. I had no idea that a phantom stomach pain manifested by Opioid withdrawal could trigger anxiety that would magnify the pain exponentially. I never had anxiety in the past but they were right.
No more Tylenol PM. Just started buying the “PM” part, which is available in the sleep aid area OTC for much less money. Changed to Advil for pain (doesn’t mess with your stomach like ibuprofen or APAP)
And got on a non-benzo anti-anxiety med (Clonidine). Was taught breathing techniques to combat anxiety and to help me sleep. Clonidine is WONDERFUL for sleeping too.

So, If it comes only when you have been without your meds for a period of time and nothing except opioids or other narcotics are able to significantly relieve this feeling, then you should consider it being withdrawal.

In emergency situations take Anti-anxiety medication. It will almost IMMEDIATELY fix the problem. But Benzos are not your long term solution and if you have enough Opioids still in your system, the Benzos could cause you to go into cardiac arrhythmia. Even if they haven’t before. This time they could.

Ask your doc for a script for Clonidine when you tell him you think your pain meds are making you sick when you stop taking them. Yes they likely will get you off the pain meds. But ultimately, your life is at a pivotal moment. If this does turn out to be the issue, then you NEED to address your physical addiction to the pain medication with your doctor. If you don’t, Mark my words, you will regret it. Ask for help. Tell important people in your life who will hold you accountable to not taking them anymore. You will surprise yourself with how you will begin to make excuses for taking more anyway. If you don’t address this full on right now then prepare to watch your life crash in slow motion. Seriously. Good luck👊🏼
 
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